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jupiter2
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Posted: November 10 2007 at 1:53pm |
Today, while at a local health food store I ran across a product called BLOCKADE which claims it "Blocks Viruses from entering human cells".
This is quite a claim for an alleged Herbal Virus Blocker. Does anyone know anything about this stuff.
I went to their website and sent them an e-mail asking for clinical studies but anything they send me will obviously be self serving.
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johngardner1
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I don't trust natural medicines. And neither should you. I don't believe in acupuncture either.
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jupiter2
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I don't necessarily trust herbals but I don't automatically discount them either. I'm just hoping someone knows the product or company.
If indeed pandemic happens and main stream pharmaceuticals are not available, it might be nice to have some sense of what alterntives are snake oil and what has at least some benefit.
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johngardner1
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Maybe, but I wouldn't trust my health to quack medicines.
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FictionWriter
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Not all herbal remedies are quack medicines. I use mint tea to relieve my upset stomach, and aloe on burns. Am i a quack? Possibly. Have a headache? chew on some willow bark. Quacky enough for you? How about, using charred wood as an antacid? Have i made my point yet?
Ok, so maybe whatever herbal stuff Jupiter2 saw at the market is pure bunk, and quite possibly all of those processed herbs, the kind available in stores, are a little too processed. Still the natural thing, straight from the plant, the dirt, the tree, from nature, is bound to have some anti-viral properties. Or am I wrong?
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jupiter2
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Hi Folks
I didn't mean to start a whole political debate about herbal medicine in general. I was just hoping to get unbiased feedback about THIS product.
Again it's called BLOCKADE. It claims to be anti-viral.
Anyone know it.
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anon54
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This product is made from elderberry, just like the product Sambucol (sp?).Elderberry is very very effective for viruses colds etc.I make my own "potion" of elderberries, its' much cheaper to do so. Whenever one of my family members gets sick they request it.Just google elderberry and you find a wealth of information on the net. Elderberry is a chief component of my bird flu treatment plan.That and a cucurmin combo.
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jacksdad
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I've worked in healthcare for over ten years, but I still have to say that I feel the modern western system of "a pill for every ill" is extremely flawed. When you have so much money being generated by pharmaceutical companies, you have to take their claims with a pinch of salt. Watch one of the many TV commercial for new drugs, and you'll hear a long list of side effects already attributable to it. The sad fact is that you have hospital beds occupied by patients suffering from nothing more than prescription drug side effects and interactions. Don't get me wrong - there are many, many useful drugs out there. It's just that I see so much close mindedness when it comes to healthcare, particularly if it's not "mainstream".
Sorry John, but acupuncture has been proven to be very effective (it's standing the test of time pretty well...). I once watched a video of someone undergoing hip replacement using acupucture for pain relief. That impressed the hell out of me - fully conscious and in no pain. Herbal remedies have their place, although as with anything there is definitely a risk if they're not used properly - overdosing, interactions with prescription/herbal meds, or in some cases, downright dangerous compounds being used. A number of years ago, dialysis clinics saw a large influx of patients because of a chinese herbal remedy that was in vogue at the time that had the potential to wipe out someone's kidney function very quickly. Being well informed is key. |
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johngardner1
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Aloe is used in several creams, I suppose it comes from nature but has probably been analyzed scientifically. I'm not saying that all herbs do nothing, but if it doesn't come from a bottle from a pharmacy, it's like those cults that don't allow medicine for their children, cuz god saves them if they're meant to live. |
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jacksdad
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Hold on there, John. You can't compare people who use herbal remedies to cult members who endanger their kids. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't offended somebody. If people use herbal remedies because they've found them to work, then good for them. Who are we to condemn them out of hand? We both work in mainstream healthcare and you can't honestly tell me that everything's right with the world because of it. Are all of your patients doing as well as a drug company ad would like you to believe? Probably not. It doesn't work for everybody, just like herbal remedies. I'm curious - which herbal remedies specifically have you tried that have made you so critical of them? Be careful - if you say none, I guarantee someone's going to jump on you. Come on buddy, we're here to encourage others in the face of a possible pandemic, not shoot them down in flames because we don't agree with them.
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johngardner1
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I do this because if these natural remedies had any validity, science would have already analyzed the drug/herb and listed any beneficial effects. Just because bleeding was popular in the middle ages doesn't mean it works. I am critical and suspicious of any 'remedy' that isn't scientifically verified and you should do the same.
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grammajo
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hi johngardner1; I do hope you become more open minded about herbal remedies. I'm 67 and a lot of the old remedies were used on me as I was growing up. Some of them really do work. Besides, if a pandemic strikes you should be prepared to use herbal remedies if you want to survive in the years following, because a lot of our scientists may no longer be here to make your meds. IMHO.
GOD bless. Jo
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Just waiting.
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jupiter2
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Hi Folks
Is there any chance we could get back to this particular product. BLOCKADE is it's name.
I'm abslutely not advocating it or anything else in particular but I can tell you this.
Yesterday I brought my daughter to the pediatrician. I asked her if she was following the progress of H5N1 for the purpose of asking for a Tamiflu script for my daughter if TSHTF. She dd not immediately know what I was talking about. After I tried to give her a quik lesson in current events she implied that my chance of getting it was the same as my daughters. I explained the WHO statistics about ages most likely to be infected.
After this waste of time was over she told me she would call CDC to ask if she should give a script.
Now we all know CDC will say no.
What a waste.
Now I would certainly rather get Tamiflu irrespective of the odds of it working but who knows if the online sources really supply bonifide tamiflu. Also it is not inexpensive.
Hence the original queston.
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johngardner1
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The thing is that when you said some really do work, you open up that some do >not< work. Be careful with your health. Virtually no medicine on the market via prescription doesn't have side effects. You have no idea what you're putting into your body. |
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coyote
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Originally posted by grammajo
hi johngardner1; I do hope you become more open minded about herbal remedies. I'm 67 and a lot of the old remedies were used on me as I was growing up. Some of them really do work. Besides, if a pandemic strikes you should be prepared to use herbal remedies if you want to survive in the years following, because a lot of our scientists may no longer be here to make your meds. IMHO. Right on Grammajo! We may all have to go back to the old fashion,"back to basics" way of living, like our ancestors did. |
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johngardner1
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This probably isn't the best room to mention this, but a lady in my building died last night. Her name was Bernice and she was 107 years old. She was 70 when I was born. She couldn't hear too well, but I would wave and smile when I went past her. She had a walker and wasn't in a wheelchair considering her age that's excellent mobility.
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sweetpea
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Yeah, people rely too much on today's technology ... that's our downfall. How do we expect to survive if we don't also learn how our ancestor's survived!!
Everything today is dependant on technology, everything runs off the electric grid ... so, what happens if we lose that? If all the electricity goes down ... how are we going to start it back up again? It takes 2 - 3 power plants to jump-start one grid ... here in the US I think we have about 5 or 6 power grids ...
Still say you best learn now how to live without, and weekends at home are the perfect time ...
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"When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past."
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ShaRenKa
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I have to add my 2 cents here as well..lol Don't knock all natural remedies! I have been diagnosed with IC..quick breakdown, my bladder has lost its interior protection wall, and was badly scarred..well let me say this, its no fun, very painful and embarrasing for a woman or man! Doctors had no clue how to treat it, nothing they gave me worked...then came good old Genseng... I take 2 genseng pills a day, have for 6 mos now. Pain is all but gone, bladder leakage rare...and my "personal life" has picked up emensley! Hubby real happy there..lol But when I had my last bladder scope? only a very small area remains slightly inflamed, but causes no more pain..go fig! I told the doc about the genseng..and what did he say? Hey..whatever works!, and evidentaly the genseng is! so..dont knock all of the herbal remedies ect ;)
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JONESIE
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HERE IS ANOTHER ELDERBERRY PRODUCT I JUST FOUND:
Infektoten fix (TEA)
Form:
herbal teabags
Ingredients: Black elder fruit, Purple willow cortex, Meadowsweet blossom
Check you local Polish Import store. You just might find it there.
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