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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:25am |
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Is he nuts?????????
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Oisanatta
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:32am |
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I just contacted 6 mask supply houses, and each said they just sold out their entire supply to the US Defense Department for Rumsfeld and his entourage's visit to Indonesia!!! LOL.....only kidding!
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Never2late
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:34am |
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He has lots of shares in Roche, the company that makes Tamiflu--I read that he's made an unbelievable profit (on paper anyway) on the bird flu -- many millions. He's probably just checking out his investment.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:34am |
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So .... two questions come to mind here: (1) What ..... No Bird Flu Conversations? (2) Will he be wearing a mask?
ReadyMom, Rumsfeld may also be going to get a first hand report on the status of BF in the area as well....it's just not being announced as part of the agenda.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:42am |
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I'm thinking the telephone would work really well in that case!
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:02am |
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I'd assume that he has access to the best information that's available to anyone. If the risk of infection were known to be very high (ie, widespread H2H that's being kept quiet) he'd either avoid going or take significant precautions. So, I think this can be seen as a little reassuring that there isn't a public health catastrophe going on, that we just aren't hearing about.
As far as the risk of just visiting a location with H5N1 in birds, I don't think it's that high as long as he's not planning to have contact with the local fowl.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:58am |
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Donald Rumsfeld doesn't have stock in Roche, he was on the board of directors for Gilead Science and has their stock. Gilead invented Tamiflu and licensed it to Roche for royalties on sales. Gilead is known for their HIV drugs. Tamiflu was not a big drug for them, that is why they licensed it to Roche. Gilead sued Roche after the Avian Flu pandemic threat was realized because Roche hadn't fulfulled their licensing contract. Gilead has since settled with Roche to increase their royalties on the drug. Remember, Tamiflu was originally created to treat seasonal flu and doesn't actually prevent it . It only shortens the duration of the flu and only if you take it within the first 48 hours or so of symptoms. It was not a blockbuster drug. It was a dog in the scheme of the pharmaceutical world. Now it looks like every dog has its day
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 12:18pm |
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So then I would imagine he still has a lot to profit from the rise in tamiflu
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Insanity is making the same mistakes and expecting different results....therefore...Those who don't learn from history are bound to go insane.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 12:41pm |
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[I am a Nut Case warning]
My personal conclusion that we are no more than 3 months from virtually certain war with Iran (probably more like 2 months) makes this an urgent trip for Rumsfield. He, unfortuanately for us, really has other things on his mind. And Indonesia may be concerned about being in the fallout path from actions in Iran.
To me, much like the current volcano and earthquakes in Indonesia, the pandemic could possibly have the complicating factors of an additional war (which will not be restricted to one far away country like Iraq conflict is) with the resultant huge oil cost increases and shortages, among other problems.
I really, really hope I am wrong on this one.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 1:58pm |
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fiddlerdave2 do you know if there is a forum like this one discussing Iran? It is hard to find out all the details of this situation that I would like to have. Thanks.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 2:14pm |
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I Rumps~field don't need a mask I am the only one that count$.  |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 2:21pm |
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When Bush's approval rating drops into the tens Rumsfeld will become the scapegoat. His days are limited.
And I'm not getting political here...just pointing out that he is not indespensable. |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 2:53pm |
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Hmmmm... another 1918??? War ends with a pandemic??? Scarey thought! -k
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 3:27pm |
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This is an old link that explains Rumsfeld's involvement or NON involvement with Tamiflu.
Cut Paste from part of the article.
"Rumsfeld recused himself from any decisions involving Gilead when he left Gilead and became Secretary of Defense in early 2001. And late last month, notes a senior Pentagon official, Rumsfeld went even further and had the Pentagon's general counsel issue additional instructions outlining what he could and could not be involved in if there were an avian flu pandemic and the Pentagon had to respond. "
As the flu issue heated up early this year, according to the Pentagon official, Rumsfeld considered unloading his entire Gilead stake and sought the advice of the Department of Justice, the SEC and the federal Office of Government Ethics. Those agencies didn't offer an opinion so Rumsfeld consulted a private securities lawyer, who advised him that it was safer to hold on to the stock and be quite public about his recusal rather than sell and run the risk of being accused of trading on insider information, something Rumsfeld doesn't believe he possesses. So he's keeping his shares for the time being. " _____________
So ... if you read the article carefully he owned stock in Gilead. Made no decisions. Wanted to sell the stock off but was advised not to do so.
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Trip to Jakata.. Those people are in big time need of help. With BF, the thousands of people who died in the earthquake and the volcano sputteriing.. not to mention the thousands and thousands of people left homeless and/or in need of medical help or just basic Food and Water.
Who can do a job better than the US when it comes to AID and helping
countries? This is when I am most proud of the USA folks.
I don't join in the Rumsfeld bashing here.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 3:41pm |
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Hmmm, Indonesia needs help for natural disasters so they get a personal visit from our Secretary of DEFENSE? Sorry, I just don't see it.
And OF COURSE the continuing choices that require huge government contracts to go to businesses the leaders are involved in are strictly a coincidence. As an underling, I would happily make a choice that could make or cost my self-admitted micromanaging, hard-case boss millions of dollars without ANY bias or consideration of my continued promotions AT ALL!
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 3:46pm |
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Guy, I'm no fan of Rumsfeld, but give him a break! We're likely to go to war with Iran. Indonesia's a huge Muslim nation, but a non-Arab one, and they've got a lot of oil. My guess is he's going there to assess the risk of terrorist or government disruption to the oil flow if we go at it with Iran.
And yes, I'm encouraged by the fact he's going. If Indonesia were currently a hotbed of infection (and remember, Jakarta has been a notorious pest-hole since the early colonial days), he wouldn't be going at all. |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 3:46pm |
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I hold nothing against Rumsfeld, and he's the one that got my son
involved in Operation Iraqi Freedom. I don't think that BF is on
his agenda, but they say bad luck comes in 3's. First the
Tsunami, then the 'quake, and now a Volcano is rumbling. Is the
name "Krakatoa" familiar to anyone?
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 3:51pm |
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Oh, and as far as the Gilead stuff goes, it's very old news. Frankly, anyone who wants to make a market gamble on a Stage 6 pandemic should consider buying Gilead shares themselves, IMHO. It's likely to skyrocket when when Stage 5 is announced.
I'm no stockbroker or investment advisor, BTW, and this is just a personal opinion, not advice, express or implied. A mass "we're all going to die" reaction could just as easily tank the entire stock market, Gilead included. Not much point in winning if you can't cash in your chips, after all. |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 4:17pm |
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Thank you for an eloquent and succinct response to the Rumsfield bashing.Some folks are d***ed if they do and D***ed if they don't.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 5:35pm |
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War with Iran = oil $150 a barrel. Then to expect countries to pay to combat BF. They won't be able to.
War won't come...Britain won't join in. Blair will be deposed if they do. It's all just posturing. Worry about your dollar not Iran. Thats where America faces it's greatest threat...as do other economies. IMHO. |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 5:38pm |
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I'll betcha that chicken parmigian or bbq chicken won't be on his menu during the visit!
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Posted: June 05 2006 at 9:02pm |
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LOL! Or the Peking Duck. And, you know "squab" is big in
Indonesia. That's "pigeon" for the uninitiated.
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Posted: June 05 2006 at 9:04pm |
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God bless you readymom. do you ever get any sleep. You are always on the topic. If its out there you find it.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 12:44am |
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The US has a freshly-inked military cooperation agreement with the Indonesian government, which was renewed by the Bush admin after we cancelled a similar arrangement in the 90's. We are supplying them with weapons and logistics to help contain, in a rather brutal fashion, a nationalist movement in the Aceh region of Sumatra (sound familiar?).
Also, look at the CIA database of nations. Indonesia is a major oil producer. It has been postulated by certain pundits that Indonesian Muslims could be "house broken" for our convenience, much easier than those pesky Arab Muslims that resent our tendency to occupy their countries. |
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If all is not lost, where is it?
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 12:39pm |
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Rumsfeld, Bush and their ilk are SCUM and Rummy DID profit handsomely from TAMIFLU which does NOTHING against Birdbrain flu (Resurrected Spanish Flu) We should NOT be re-assured by ANYthing these creeps say or do! Protect YOURSELVES and don't take their stinking vaccines for ANY reason!
------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "CLG News" <clg_news@legitgov.org> To: "CLG News" <clg_news@legitgov.org> Subject: Donald Rumsfeld makes $5m killing on bird flu drug Date sent: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:11:53 -0500 News Update from Citizens for Legitimate Government 12 March 2006 http://www.legitgov.org/ http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news Donald Rumsfeld makes $5m killing on bird flu drug 12 Mar 2006 Donald Rumsfeld has made a killing out of bird flu. The US Defence Secretary has made more than $5m (£2.9m) in capital gains from selling shares in the biotechnology firm that discovered and developed Tamiflu, the drug being bought in massive amounts by Governments to treat [sic] a possible human pandemic of the disease. Tamiflu found ineffective in bird flu treatment 21 Dec 2005 The drug most of the world is counting on to prevent an avian flu pandemic may not be a failsafe defence, according to a New England Journal of Medicine report. The authors say they have found evidence the H5N1 virus can mutate into a form unaffected by Tamiflu -- rendering the world's ever-growing stockpiles of the drug ineffective if the mutated strain were to spread. Doctor says bird flu drug is 'useless' 04 Dec 2005 A Vietnamese doctor who has treated dozens of victims of avian flu claims the drug being stockpiled around the world to combat a pandemic is "useless" against the virus. "We place no importance on using this drug on our patients," Dr Nguyen Tuong Van runs the intensive care unit at the Centre for Tropical Diseases in Hanoi, said. "Tamiflu is really only meant for treating ordinary type A flu. It was not designed to combat H5N1 . . . (Tamiflu) is useless." Address to receive newsletter: http://www.legitgov.org/#subscribe_clg Please write to: signup@legitgov.org for inquiries. lrp/mdr CLG Newsletter editor: Lori Price, General Manager. Copyright © 2006, Citizens For Legitimate Government ® All rights reserved. CLG Founder and Chair is Michael Rectenwald, Ph.D. ------- End of forwarded message ------- He Who Demands Your Rights Aims To Take Your Security To subscribe to VetZine email vetzine_publishers@sbcglobal.net VetZine blog http://vetzine.blogspot.com |
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