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Sydney politicians,have always lambasted our Premier( who has 99%approval rating here) They are very lax,quite dumb if you ask me , thinking they can take a measured approach to imposing a lockdown, The virus doesn't go round infecting everyone in a "measured way"...... Feckwits..... Take care all π·π |
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DJ, In the list of highest new cases Australia is (still) at #102-with reporting 43 new cases sunday june 27. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ . However [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table puts Australia at #24 in highest growth by % +102 %, last week 83, this week more then double 168 new cases...With most of those cases being the Delta variant-Australia may soon find itself in the same list as the UK, Portugal, Russia...basicly "out of control"...And that is very sad ! [url]https://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/coronavirus/ For all those in Australia, New Zealand following this site-stay safe ! Worldwide [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads DJ Some politicians still claim "there may be problems in autumn/fall" while cases are allready exploding-in part due to "politicians/experts" simply ignoring the facts... Worldwide increase in cases-weekly trends is now at +2%-has been above 0 for the last few days (1%, 0,1%-but the trend was VERY CLEAR ! If I can see it why do they ignore it ????). Deaths now at -6% but also moving towards +0%-will get in the + this week... "Vaccines will safe us" stupidity is showing in Israel (#9 in the list of highest %) cases up +408 %, last week 201, this week 1,021-(deaths going up 100%-from 0 to 1-so in real numbers not strong-on itself0. UK cases going up-still-as well-at #32...Last week 65,558 cases, this week 102,957 new cases...in deaths +72% last week 72-this week 124 people died in the UK "within 28 days after testing positive" (an absurd restriction to keep statistics low). Vaccines do matter-but you need NPI-social distancing, masks, etc...and most countries are "reopening" with still low level of vaccinations...Insane ! Looking at the numbers Belgium cases +2%, deaths -45%, NL cases -31% deaths 0% change in weekly trends... The "official story" still is "vaccines offer enough protection to reopen" , even drop mask wearing...While over 50% of UK (Delta (+?) cases are in fully vaccinated people...Israel proberbly not doing much better...The reopenings in many countries "because numbers were going down" are proving themselves to be yet another "management faillure" -ignoring the Delta+ variants... Can't fix stupid does not have to be the basics for national politics all the time-one would hope... -Flutrackers; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/916069-china-confirmed-community-spread-of-1-617-variant-possible-delta-guangzhou-shenzhen-airport-worker-dongguan-city-guangdong-province-may-23-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/916069-china-confirmed-community-spread-of-1-617-variant-possible-delta-guangzhou-shenzhen-airport-worker-dongguan-city-guangdong-province-may-23-2021?view=stream ; 1. Strict personnel management. Existing personnel in Heyuan Community will not leave the community, and outsiders will not enter. The entrances and exits of the community are guarded 24 hours a day. Residents in this community can only enter and cannot leave. Strictly implement prevention and control measures such as temperature measurement, verification, code scanning and wearing masks. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/903236-manitoba-canada-2021-covid-cases?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/903236-manitoba-canada-2021-covid-cases?view=stream latest; A girl under age 10 has died after getting COVID-19, the province says in a news release. - Manitoba's five-day test positivity rate rose again to 6.5 per cent, up from 6.1 on Saturday. Winnipeg's increased to 6.9 per cent, the release says, up from 6.7. DJ-Worldwide the Delta variant is spreading high speed...Since children are not vaccinated the virus spreads via (reopened) schools...into households-infecting all in the family... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917728-uk-more-than-50-of-deaths-from-delta-variant-are-in-the-vaccinated[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917728-uk-more-than-50-of-deaths-from-delta-variant-are-in-the-vaccinated ; There are several reasons we do not "push" vaccines on this site. However, we have a scientific library full of vaccine information here. DJ-june 25 UK briefing of 117 deaths within 28 days after positive test...19 were in people vaccinated once +21 days, 50 in those who recieved 2 doses, 44 in unvaccinated...Again-vaccines do help but in combination with NPI-and only strict NPI may help stop Delta and other more infectious variants...At best "we are running after the facts" -basicly we are doing all we can to make matters much worse ! A resistent variant of Covid19 could reinfect a host over and over again-in a worst case scenario. Since that host does not have to be a human-it may spread all over all kind of animals-killing all human hosts would not matter for the viral spread... [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/senate-republicans-urge-cdc-end-mask-mandate-airplanes-public-transit[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/senate-republicans-urge-cdc-end-mask-mandate-airplanes-public-transit ; Why follow science ? Because of "freedom without responsibility" flying all over the planet is restarting...no need for masks...fools ! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdnXCmp3cHk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdnXCmp3cHk Title; "Asia, critical weeks" DJ-World-critical days may reflect better the global situation...We have to Stop The Spread-restart NPI THIS WEEK if we want to avoid this pandemic to get a real horror story..a global India... From under the video; 1. Bangladesh Population, 163 million Delta variant spreads from India, border areas worst No one allowed to leave home for 7 days (unless an emergency) Crowds leave Dhaka 15 May, cases + 261 (22 deaths) Friday, cases + 5,869 (108 deaths) Many hospitals overwhelmed Rail and bus services already suspended All offices, government and private offices closing Police and border guards to enforce the lockdown Army possible Health department spokesman Robed Amin It is a dangerous and alarming situation If we don't contain it now, we will face an India-like situation 2. Pakistan Population, 230 million Cases, + 660 Going down Deaths, + 25 Delta threat Sinopharm AstraZeneca Programme for all over 18s 2,000 vaccination centres Online registration system Informed by text First dose, 13 million Around 400,000 per day 13 million ordered from Pfizer PacVac (Chinese) 70 million people in 2021 Fareeha Irfan, public health physician Western countries had purchased huge supplies already and had placed advance orders impacting supplies for the least developed countrie The majority of the people have not taken the virus seriously unless they themselves and their families got infected. We should engage community leaders to make people more aware Polio, western conspiracy, sterilisation 3. Thailand Population, 69.6 million My impression-as a non expert-just an observer with limited history background-we are moving towards a worser part of this pandemic high speed. Statistics on vaccine protection are based on numbers of early spread of the Delta variant. Indications from both Israel and the UK are vaccinations on its own do NOT OFFER enough protection even to limit hospital cases/deaths...you need (strict) NPI... Since you only can get such NPI if you get public support-and communications/embedded "press" spread "we did beat the virus" nonsense we are driving further into the self made swamp. This pandemic is part of global climate destruction-only getting worse...If you have a "safe social bubble" be happy with that ! The only way out-if there is a way out (climate collapse)-is long term...years... Global priority still is WAR; [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/india-shifts-50-000-troops-to-china-border[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/india-shifts-50-000-troops-to-china-border [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-attacks-iranian-backed-proxies-in-syria-and-iraq[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-attacks-iranian-backed-proxies-in-syria-and-iraq (I do not agree with HT political views-but he has good info often on US foreign policy disasters...The US has no legal basis for being in Iraq or Syria...the US is breaking international law by stealing oil in tha t region...Outside the "west" most countries have lost all trust in that "west/US"...also in how we do not deal with this pandemic...) If the US wants to stay the global #1-diplomacy may help better then bombs ! For the money the US is spending on wars they could have build a railway-link under/via the Bering strait linking Alaska with Siberia...The US could be the global investor in infrastructure, but they did put China in that position... [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/06/mentions.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/06/mentions.html There is still a lot of good brains, thinking in "the west"...looking for talks instead of confrontations...But "democracy is turning into democrazy" further each day if we are not able to stop "media" , "politicians", "experts" for sale... The basic problem in this pandemic is "leadership" leading us into disaster-but still getting most of the votes... -Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZf41UudAbI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZf41UudAbI 1964-The Seekers, I'll never find another you..."There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land, and I'll be there someday if you would hold my hand" DJ-Just love those lines !
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DJ, [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global cases weekly in % +5% deaths still -5% but on its way up... UK cases going up +68%, deaths going up +65% (cases last week 68,449-this week 114,968-deaths last week 74, this week 122 so still very limited-but in % now following the cases...) US cases going up +5%, deaths -8% Israel cases up +302% (!) last week 300 cases-this week 1,206 Deaths also going up 200% but in real numbers 0 deaths last week 2 this week... My impression is vaccines limit-so far-number of deaths...But most of the world is NOT fully vaccinated... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ; UK monday reporting 22,868 new cases, only 3 deaths (so that number is limited !). US had 10,754 new cases-with 137 deaths Israel 308 new cases 1 death Weekly trends Europe cases +22%, deaths +5%, North America cases +8%, deaths +7%, Asia cases +3%, deaths -7%, South America cases -2%, deaths -12%, Africa cases +27%, deaths +29%, Oceania (Fiji, Australia etc.) cases +51%, deaths -9%... In the worldometer statistics global deaths still under the 4 million...real number must be over 10 million..In recent history only the Spanish Flu pandemic was worse...but we may be on the way to pass that pandemic. Then global deaths was 2 to 5% of the population worldwide-with large regional differences. In official statistics Peru did see 0,5% of its population die in this pandemic. Brazil 0,25-India sticks to the claim of 0,03%... If 0,5% would be a realistic number of pandemic deaths on a global population of 7,8 billion that would bring it close to 40 million...If vaccines would provide 80% safety and we would manage to get 80% vaccinated then close to 400 million people still could face infection... Australia yesterday reported 30 new cases, the day before-sunday-43...but weekend numbers ...trends +84% may say more.. Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 DJ Cases do go up-but hospital cases and deaths are (still) limited...Given the UK has been in the Delta-crisis for several weeks without vaccines those numbers would have gone up much more... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/south-america-aa/south-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918257-peru-callao-reports-1-416-cases-of-lambda-covid-19-variant-c37[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/south-america-aa/south-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918257-peru-callao-reports-1-416-cases-of-lambda-covid-19-variant-c37 ; To date, the National Health Institute (INS) has performed genomic sequencing on 2,010 samples from patients diagnosed with COVID-19, which were collected through RT-PCR testing from January to June this year and analyzed in the genomic surveillance platform set up at the biomedicine laboratory, the Ministry of Health (Minsa) reported on Sunday. DJ-With limited numbers/sequencing one would expect more Delta variant cases...NOT GOOD ! [url]https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210627/Lambda-lineage-of-SARS-CoV-2-has-potential-to-become-variant-of-concern.aspx[/url] or https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210627/Lambda-lineage-of-SARS-CoV-2-has-potential-to-become-variant-of-concern.aspx ; Researchers have described the first reported infection with the C.37 (Lambda) lineage of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in Southern Brazil. - The C.37 variant, which lies within the B.1.1.1 lineage, has already been reported as highly prevalent in Peru and has also been identified in many countries across the Americas, Europe and Oceania, says Priscila Wink from the Hospital de Clínicas de Porto Alegre in Rio Grande do Sul and colleagues. However, C.37 has only been reported occasionally in Brazil despite its global spread, adds the team. - Sequencing of the resulting genomic libraries revealed that the C.37 variant is defined by a deletion (Δ3675- 3677) in open reading frame 1a (ORF1a) of SARS-CoV-2. The ORF1a gene codes for a protein that undergoes proteolytic cleavage before it goes on to make nonstructural viral proteins. The deletion has also been identified in the Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant that emerged in the UK, the Beta (B.1.351) variant that emerged in South African, and the Gamma (P.1) variant that emerged in Brazil. The Lambda variant also contained a novel deletion (Δ246-252) and multiple nonsynonymous mutations (G75V, T76I, L452Q, F490S, D614G, and T859N) in the gene that encodes the viral spike protein. The spike is the main surface structure the virus uses to bind to and infect host cells. The mutations L452Q and F490S are present in the spike receptor-binding domain (RBD), which mediates the initial stage of infection by binding to the host cell receptor angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). The F490S mutation has previously been associated with reduced susceptibility to antibody neutralization, says Wink and colleagues. The researchers say that in addition to these eight C.37-defining mutations, 19 mutations were also present that have already been described in other members of the lineage. DJ-The Delta variant was supposed to "push aside" ALL other variants..if the Lambda variant keeps increasing it may be even "stronger" then the Delta variant...(see also new variants/latest news) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918249-cidrap-covid-19-outbreaks-expand-in-australia[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918249-cidrap-covid-19-outbreaks-expand-in-australia ; In quickly evolving developments over the weekend, COVID-19 cases were detected in more Australian states, with capitals of three of the country's six states now in lockdown to curb the spread. DJ-My impression; We do not have any idea of what variants are spreading where...sequencing is that limited we-at best-have some basic idea. Certainly in the-many-regions we keep poor testing itself is a problem. It is very likely other variants are also increasing... DJ-If Covid19 has NOT yet jumped into other species, mice, rats, cats, dogs-eating infected bodies-it may be hard for Covid19 to jump into non-human hosts...It is "good news" that Covid19 still seems to be mainly a "human disease" if the virus spread further "human hosts" matter less for viral reproduction-it may become even deadlier... Given how widespread the infections are-and the total stupidity of how we not deal with this pandemic-this pandemic may last for years...Yes vaccines are saving lives-but we have to Stop The Spread ! if we want to avoid new variants that evade & escape vaccine immunity ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream ; latest; We are early in this disease. Despite many studies saying one thing, or the other, the fact is we just don't know everything. DJ-I can only agree with that view...think for yourself-you know by now how good/bad experts/politics are...(with all respect they often do the best they can...but this corona-pandemic is also testing their know-how...) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/914732-covid-19-variant-1-617-series-including-1-617-2-delta-1-617-1-kappa-and-ay-1-mutation?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/914732-covid-19-variant-1-617-series-including-1-617-2-delta-1-617-1-kappa-and-ay-1-mutation?view=stream last activity; "Delta" mutant strains are changing faster and faster. Will it cause a new wave of epidemics to appear on a large scale? DJ-Translation from Manderin/Chinese is not perfect...but the Delta variant in itself is a major problem for China-Do I notice fear for an even stronger "new" variant ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/918235-dominican-republic-pig-farmers-report-strange-disease-killing-their-animals[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/918235-dominican-republic-pig-farmers-report-strange-disease-killing-their-animals ; The cause of the disease, which causes coagulation in the animals’ blood and “turns their intestines black,” was unknown to the farmers, who have been looking for ways to cure their animals. Still, no medicine can overcome the disease that ends up killing them. DJ I am far from an expert-only can write my thinking...a coinfection of Covid19 and fungul infections ? I think there may be a link to the earlier African Swine Fever (ASF) outbreak in 2019-a.o. in China and SARS-2/Covid19...did ASF infected pigs see also co-infections with a corona-virus from bats ? Did that corona-virus spread to humans and become Covid 19 ? Again-I am NOT an expert...just trying to put events in a time-line... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/918233-ssi-study-denmark-s-cluster-5-mink-variant-had-increased-antibody-resistance[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/918233-ssi-study-denmark-s-cluster-5-mink-variant-had-increased-antibody-resistance ; While this mink crisis was averted (or, at least traded for a different crisis), SARS-CoV-2 continues to spread through farmed mink - and presumably other animal populations - around the world (see March 2021 CDC: Investigating Possible Mink-To-Human Transmission Of SARS-CoV-2 In The United States), and additional `zoonotic variants' are likely to emerge. Just as we've seen humanized flu viruses enter the swine population - mutate over time - and then jump back into humans as a `novel' flu (see Canada: Manitoba Public Health Announces 3rd Swine Variant Case (H3N2v), the the potential for new SARS-CoV-2 variants to emerge from non-human reservoirs is an ongoing concern. `Cluster 5' is no longer circulating in humans, but understanding how it evolved - and any increased threat to humans - will be critical in detecting, and containing, any future zoonotic evolution of COVID-19. - The new study concludes that the combination of the nail mutations in the cluster-5 virus led to a certain significantly increased degree of antibody resistance in some people after covid-19 infection. - Mink aren't the only possible non-human reservoir for SARS-CoV-2, and while farmed animals pose the highest risk - due mostly to high livestock densities and greater opportunities for human contact - it is also possible that the virus could establish itself in the wild (see EID Journal: SARS-CoV-2 Exposure in Escaped Mink, Utah, USA). It is worth noting that while MERS-CoV has never evolved to transmit well enough in humans to sustain a major epidemic, it remains a perennial threat because it is endemic in camels (where it continues to evolve), and occasionally jumps to humans. Companion animals, primarily dogs and cats, are also also susceptible to infection. The CDC maintains a website on what we currently know about SARS-CoV-2 in non-human hosts. DJ-There are several risks if Covid19 gets widespread in non-human hosts; from an increase of mutations/variants to "humans becoming non-essential hosts" for viral reproduction-potentialy making Covid19 much more deadly... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/916069-china-confirmed-community-spread-of-1-617-variant-possible-delta-guangzhou-shenzhen-airport-worker-dongguan-city-guangdong-province-may-23-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/916069-china-confirmed-community-spread-of-1-617-variant-possible-delta-guangzhou-shenzhen-airport-worker-dongguan-city-guangdong-province-may-23-2021?view=stream latest activity; "The way the virus spreads is magical." If children in close contact are not infected, outsiders will be infected. What is the reason? The on-site team members are also very puzzled. "The recent local outbreaks of Delta mutant strains that occurred in Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Dongguan are the first head-to-head confrontation with Delta mutant strains. At present, we are still unclear on many aspects of Delta mutant strains, and we cannot judge why this is the case." Zhang Zewu, leader of the on-site prevention and control working group, said. Sleep tightly, and set off at any time. Academician Zhong Nanshan pointed out, “The Delta strain has a high load, and the exhaled gas is very toxic and highly infectious. In the same space, the same unit, the same building, and the same building, the disease In the first four days, the people who got along with these patients were all close contacts." This posed a huge challenge to the handling of the epidemic. As of 0:00 on June 24, 4 confirmed cases (including Li's husband Xiao) were initially determined to have close contacts with 2,552 people in Dongguan, and 2,518 people with close contacts once. This is an unprecedented and huge workload. “Last year, when the epidemic was at its worst, it was not so difficult!” said Luo Dong, deputy director of the Municipal Center for Disease Control and Prevention. DJ-Basicly China saying Delta variant is a bigger problem then the early 2020 major Wuhan-crisis... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918231-cambodia-increasing-concern-as-covid-numbers-surge[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918231-cambodia-increasing-concern-as-covid-numbers-surge ; There is increasing concern that the recent surge in COVID case numbers and deaths in Cambodia shows no sign of slowing down. DJ-No news on what variants are spreading.... -Dr. John Campbell (short) interviews with DW (Deutsche Welle=German Source) on the Delta-variant...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCN-XZ87yzs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCN-XZ87yzs and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCN-XZ87yzs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCN-XZ87yzs Music-again "Fool if you think it's over" , [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY8Es9GWE0s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY8Es9GWE0s Elkie Brooks version february 1982... |
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DJ, First a few links to pandemic related news; -[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/06/heatwaves-and-the-danger-of-the-arctic-ocean-heating-up.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/06/heatwaves-and-the-danger-of-the-arctic-ocean-heating-up.html DJ-the extreme heat in NW-US-Western Canada-temperatures in Canada getting close to 50C !-may be killing hundreds of people allready...An IPCC-study-concept is warning-in their scenario-we can not stop going over 2C -may be moving towards 3C temperature rise...Other experts claim we may already be over the 2C+, the GAST Global Average Surface Temperature is what is counting... -[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-uss-ross-approaching-southwest-coast-of-crimea-now[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-uss-ross-approaching-southwest-coast-of-crimea-now NATO agression in the Black Sea...this pandemic is the perfect time to show NATO does not accept the main Russian Black Sea Fleet basis- in Crimea- since the 17th century is under Russian control... -Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table worldwide cases +5%, deaths -6%...Highest increases a.o. Australia cases +109% last week 94, this week 196...most Delta variant...UK +71% cases 72,401 last week, 123,566 this week...UK deaths +30%...since most people above 50 are vaccinated most deaths has to be in the vaccinated group...last week 91 deaths, this week 118 covid UK people died within 28 days after positive test... Australia is close to national lock down with much lower numbers then the UK....BoJo is one of the persons responsible for this "second pandemic chapter"....total inaction, "economy first" ....criminal killing millions at the end... [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/29/health-min-people-back-vacation-need-get-tested-coronavirus-coronacheck-bug-fixed[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/29/health-min-people-back-vacation-need-get-tested-coronavirus-coronacheck-bug-fixed ; Numerous Dutch youngsters were recently infected with the virus while holidaying in Spain or Portugal. Many of these infections were linked to the Delta variant, which was first identified in India. The GGD will roll out “a red carpet” for young people who call to schedule a coronavirus test after their holiday, even if they are asymptomatic, De Jonge said metaphorically. DJ-We are now in NL importing over 400 Delta variant cases per week mainly from Spain, Portugal, Germany...Still cases going down -26%...since sequencing takes over a week we may learn soon how fast the Delta variant is spreading...deaths at 15 this week and last week so change 0%/low numbers... Israel reporting an increase of 272% (!!!!!) of cases...378 last week became 1,407 this week...deaths are still very limited...1 death this week-0 last week is +100% US reporting 7% increase in cases-last week 84,542-this week 90,309...deaths still going down -14% last week 2,222 this week 1,908. Dr. John Campbell in a video mentioned that most countries have much less vaccine protection...Countries we keep poor will see lots of deaths...Uganda, Indonesia a.o. already almost out of oxygen...In most western countries health care exhausted and demotivated...Reopening society every time the R0 gets under 1-to then see cases explode over and over again is "frustrating"... Still in most countries "politicians" supporting this kind of genocidal strategies are getting most of the votes...We are still not at the bottom of the pit...most people still believe the "leaders" responsible for this crisis will get us out of this crisis... The Delta variant is spreading fast in most of the world-in South America the Lambda (Peru) variant is a major factor. Cases/deaths still going down for South America -4%/-11%...It is a growing concern if the Lambda variant would show to be stronger (worse) then the Delta variant... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 Hospital cases and deaths going up-but both in low numbers...in general vaccines offer good protection...Problem is not enough people are fully vaccinated-allthough in the 50y/o+ group most are...Asymptomatic spread makes testing important. DJ-This Delta variant also will keep mutating... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918319-cidrap-red-cross-warns-of-emerging-covid-crisis-in-indonesia[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918319-cidrap-red-cross-warns-of-emerging-covid-crisis-in-indonesia ; The Indonesian Red Cross warned today that the country is on the edge of a COVID-19 catastrophe, with a surge of Delta variant-fueled infections overwhelming hospitals in Jakarta and other parts of the country. DJ-The basic idea was "leaders/experts" stopping a pandemic...NOT making matters worse...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java ; With a population of 147.7 million (Java only) or 151.8 million (including the inhabitants of its surrounding islands, principally Madura), Java constitutes 56.1 percent of the Indonesian population and is the world's most-populous major island [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918312-us-cdc-covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation-and-reporting[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918312-us-cdc-covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation-and-reporting ; For the purpose of this surveillance, a vaccine breakthrough infection is defined as the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen in a respiratory specimen collected from a person ≥14 days after they have completed all recommended doses of a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccine. DJ-Statistics on how well vaccines are protecting against variants will change during the pandemic. Dr.J.C. expects better protection...I-DJ-as a non-expert-expect variants developing evavation & escape from vaccine immunity over time...It is the way mutation/vaccine selection works... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; And the stupid push, push vaccine messaging award goes to.... DJ-I would love this pandemic to be over...but we may see an even more ugly part of this pandemic...get real ! If government/experts agains say stupid things most on this forum know better by now...masks are not 100% perfect-but part of a strategy... This pandemic is telling me there are a lot of fools in this world...and maybe that part I find harder to accept..."we" are the pandemic... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918308-south-africa-enters-strict-lockdown-to-combat-extremely-serious-impact-of-delta-variant[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918308-south-africa-enters-strict-lockdown-to-combat-extremely-serious-impact-of-delta-variant and [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918307-uganda-doctors-shying-away-from-severe-covid-19-patients[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918307-uganda-doctors-shying-away-from-severe-covid-19-patients ; DJ What do we expect of Health Care Workers ? Suicide missions ? There have been limited reports from India of HCW-ers running away from their hospital after family members attacked HCW-ers that were no longer able to provide care/oxygen...Pandemics have stages...Health Care collapse is just step 1...logistics breaking down, safety being challenged will follow...in most of the world... We created "safety bubbles" for the rich countries...basicly "the other people can die" seems to be the message of the "civilized western world"...Russia, Chine exporting vaccines "to gain influence"... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/laboratory-and-imaging-features/918267-j-clin-virol-rapid-screening-method-for-the-detection-of-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-rapid-screening-of-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/laboratory-and-imaging-features/918267-j-clin-virol-rapid-screening-method-for-the-detection-of-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-rapid-screening-of-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern ; Background: Comprehensive and up-to-date monitoring of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) variants of concern (VOC) is crucial as these are characterized by their increased transmissibility, immune evasion and virulence. DJ-A glimmer of good news, hope...Testing also to see what variant a person may have is saving much time... -Dr. John Campbell two video's [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXH3Vr2cXPc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXH3Vr2cXPc on the "Delta pandemic"... and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vui8VATr30U[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vui8VATr30U Australia report... links/info under the video...(well not on the one on Australia...) DJ It may be to early to say how bad the situation is...What is shocking me most that some countries-like NL-are still acting like the pandemic is almost over...Dr.J.C. is much more positive on vaccines then I am...I do believe much more in NPI-Stop The Spread... My impression is the Delta variant is the worst development in this pandemic so far...will be spreading high speed around the globe-because we "reopened air travel" did spread it via holiday/party time... Can Australia still contain the Delta variant ? Maybe China managed it-first by keeping it restricted to a limited area...but still fighting very hard to limit it. In Australia the Delta variant is now all over the country....Russia will be hit very hard-harder then the US...because of level of vaccine protection. In most of the countries we keep poor the outlook is very bad...healthcare was already in crisis...no way they can deal with a Delta/Lambda explosion... Political inaction/stupidity and tunnelvision is shocking... -Music; It's The End-The Buffoons [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUKooDRRtE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUKooDRRtE sixties...lyrics under the video... |
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DJ, -[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/06/bloomberg-here-is-how-we-make-the-us-look-great.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/06/bloomberg-here-is-how-we-make-the-us-look-great.html in 2019 the top 3 countries "best prepared for a pandemic" were supposed to be the US, UK and NL...based on not very clear criteria...maybe in part based on spending on healthcare...a lot of that money going to private-for profit-healthcare...Bloomberg now is claiming the country recovering the best from this (still ungoing) pandemic is the US-because they have restarted international air travel.... The total stupidity of this kind of embedded media propaganda may be one of the basic problems-communications are not "just bad"...they are lies, misleading, criminal... When I look at how Australia is dealing with trying to limit the spread of the Delta variant and how NL is doing with much higher numbers of that Delta variant spreading it is absurd...But of course-with much higher numbers of the Delta variant-importing over 400 cases per week-mainly from Spain and Portugal-then Australia has "our pandemic is almost over"...while Australia is just getting started... Yes we have more vaccinations and are supposed to be in summer in NL...but the Delta variant has a R0 of 6+ without restrictions-will cause more severe disease in unvaccinated... -The numbers... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ just some basics; Global number of cases 390,000+/deaths 8,500 so we enter july with almost 183 million tested reported positive tests/cases...3,962,430 reported/tested deaths...Both numbers at best an indication...Again real number of deaths may between 0,2 and 0,5% of the global population...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ 7,9 billion....make it 8 billion....so 0,1%=8 million....0,2%=16 million/0,5%=40 million... UK reporting 26,068 cases on june 30....14 deaths...If all new cases just would have "hay fever like symptoms-if any..." there would not be a problem... Israel reporting 291 new cases-0 deaths...Both the UK and Israel are supposed to have the highest level of vaccine protection... Australia reporting 49 cases...The Delta variant is becoming dominant in most of the world. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Israel +207% in cases-last week 505, this week 1,552. Australia +168% last week 87 this week 233. One could claim numbers are still limited. UK +68% last week 79,371 cases, this week 133,147 new cases-deaths +12 % last week 101 this week 113. Again if vaccination and summer would mean cases would have no are just mild symptoms cases going up would be maybe even welcome-increasing "herd immunity"...Problem is most of the world is not moving towards summer...in the tropics they do not have that kind of seasons...Also global vaccinations are far under 10%... Season effect also means a hurricane could be moving in the Atlantic...[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ and may reach Florida monday... Global cases trend +2%, deaths -6%. With many countries reporting hospital/oxygen crises the Delta (and Lambda) variant(s) are very serious...It is very easy to get infected-just passing an infected person may infect you... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections ; Daily average of new covid cases now stands at 269 https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/...-of-infections Fiji strategises to slow the spread, rather than halt it https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/...r-than-halt-it DJ-In Fiji and other small countries they need foreign help in dealing with major health crisis...Fili has a population of just over 900,000. Trend +71%...last week 1.097 cases, this week 1,878...that makes 0,2% of its population getting infected last week... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/827016-north-korea-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus-n-korean-tests-positive-for-covid-19-in-china-zero-officially-confirmed-cases-emergency-declared-in-kaesong-area[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/827016-north-korea-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus-n-korean-tests-positive-for-covid-19-in-china-zero-officially-confirmed-cases-emergency-declared-in-kaesong-area latest activity ; North Korean leader Kim Jong-un (pictured) urged officials to say that "a serious incident has occurred" in relation to the prevention and control of COVID-19. Analysts say that an unexpected problem occurred in Kaesong in July last year, more than the re-entry of a North Korean defector suspected of being infected with Corona 19. DJ-I would love to believe there are some save countries/area's...also for any population-whatever the political regime-it would be welcome NOT to have to deal with a pandemic... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/918405-possibly-more-than-400-deaths-linked-to-u-s-canadian-heat-wave-june-30-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/918405-possibly-more-than-400-deaths-linked-to-u-s-canadian-heat-wave-june-30-2021 ; Hundreds of deaths are being investigated in connection with this week’s record-breaking heat wave that engulfed western Canada and the U.S. Northwest, local officials say. Thousands more sought medical help and the death toll is expected to rise. DJ-While the US/Canada has to deal with extreme heat we just had extreme rain in Belgium/NL/Germany...Climate "change"=collapse, "global warming"=global heating...just like the pandemic-we knew the problem but did not act...Some reports claim some of the Canada extreme heat may move into the Canadian Arctic... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918399-cidrap-global-covid-cases-rise-a-bit-delta-variant-in-nearly-100-nations[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918399-cidrap-global-covid-cases-rise-a-bit-delta-variant-in-nearly-100-nations ; After falling for 8 weeks in a row, the world's weekly number of COVID cases increased slightly last week, as multiple countries battle surges, including those in Africa, the World Health Organization (WHO) said yesterday in its latest situation report. - Over the past week 11 more countries detected their first Delta (B1617.2) variant cases, lifting the total to 96, which the WHO said is an underestimate, since many countries have limited sequencing capacity. "A number of these countries are attributing surges in infections and hospitalizations to this variant," it said. The WHO said that, when compared with the Alpha (B117) variant, Delta appears to be about 55% more transmissible and is expected to rapidly outcompete other variants and become dominant in the months ahead. More global headlines
DJ-Again if Delta only had hay fever like symptoms there would not be a problem... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918397-cidrap-covid-19-scan-covid-19-icu-deaths-sars-cov-2-in-wildlife[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918397-cidrap-covid-19-scan-covid-19-icu-deaths-sars-cov-2-in-wildlife ; A new meta-analysis of 58 studies shows obese men are not at increased risk of death from COVID-19 when admitted to intensive care units (ICUs), but those with a history of smoking, diabetes, or kidney disease were at increased risk. - Inoculation with SARS-CoV-2 resulted in viral shedding in deer mice, bushy-tailed woodrats, and striped skunks but not cottontail rabbits, fox squirrels, Wyoming ground squirrels, black-tailed prairie dogs, house mice, or raccoons, according to an Emerging Infectious Diseases study yesterday. DJ-Just like the Delta variant brings more of some other symptoms, vaccinations in older age groups mean more younger people may show up in hospital-also patterns of gender/age/health of those that die will change over time. Spread of Covid19 via non-human hosts can not be taken serious enough...We have to go for 200% to avoid getting Covid19 in "wild animals" if we at least want to keep some illusions on controlling this pandemic ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918391-more-than-80-teens-and-staffers-at-an-illinois-summer-camp-got-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918391-more-than-80-teens-and-staffers-at-an-illinois-summer-camp-got-covid-19 and [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918390-nearly-2-000-scots-attended-euro-2020-events-with-covid-health-agency-says[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918390-nearly-2-000-scots-attended-euro-2020-events-with-covid-health-agency-says DJ-Do we want to deal with a pandemic or not ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 ;DJ-Both deaths and hospital cases going up-in limited numbers...Again since most of the serious cases are in the 50y/o+ age group-and most of that age group has been vaccinated-most of the serious cases will be in vaccinated...The total number of hospital cases/deaths though is much lower then during earlier waves...so vaccines may make a difference ! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lx6Scwfhg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lx6Scwfhg ; We show that intravenous but not intramuscular injection of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 triggers platelet-adenovirus aggregate formation and platelet activation. After intravenous injection, these aggregates are phagocytosed by macrophages in the spleen This is followed by a pronounced B-cell response with the emergence of circulating antibodies binding to platelets. DJ-Mistakes during vaccination may cause (most of the) vaccination problems-NOT the vaccine ! -Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH6v9JS26xc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH6v9JS26xc Paul McCartney & Wings-Another Day....1971. |
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DJ, Source [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ numbers; 432,000 new cases july 1-8,314 deaths... UK reporting 27,989 new cases-22 deaths. Brazil reporting 63,000+ new cases, India 43,000+ new cases. Chris Martenson/Peak Prosperity- links decrease of India cases with Ivermectin...may be a factor. Also less testing (or capacity to test in more rural area's) and "politics" may be factors... Israel reporting 290 new cases, Australia 33 new cases-both countries have no new Covid deaths... Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Finland at #6 in highest % of increase in cases-+95% for Europe. Worldwide Israel +140%, Australia +123% -all these countries managed to keep the weekly new cases under a 1,000-but Israel did see 683 cases last week-this week went to 1,637-on a small population-9,3 million..Global deaths in worldometer statistics 3,971,000+-next week those numbers will go over the 4 million...real numbers may be 10X that number...Since sequencing is (s)low Delta variant may be over 50% worldwide in all new cases...DJ-Basicly we may have no idea on other, newer variants...If 1% of all new global cases get sequenced we may get some basic idea...but sequencing is concentrated most in Denmark and the UK...so global view for the rest of the globe may be based on 0,5% of all new cases sequenced ? If one wants to compare this pandemic with "the flu"...whar flu ? The Spanish H1N1 flu killed much more people in a much shorter time...but then reached herd immunity...This CoViD-pandemic may be going on for years...risk of spreading to other species, even getting worse... US cases up 11%, deaths still decreasing; -18%..but the Delta variant is increasing also in the US. Worldwide cases up +3%, deaths still -6%...103 countries reporting increase of cases...For NL cases now -13%, deaths -7%...Reopening last weekend-while the Delta variant was increasing and we still had-relative to some other EU countries-high numbers...may not have been "such a good idea" ...but "politics" may be not willing to admit they-again-reopened to fast..."rather blame the people"...and most voters buy that non-sense... -Flutrackers latest posts/news; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/918484-canada-most-homes-in-lytton-b-c-destroyed-by-catastrophic-fire-minister-says-area-reached-121-2-f-49-6-c-in-pnw-heat-wave[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/918484-canada-most-homes-in-lytton-b-c-destroyed-by-catastrophic-fire-minister-says-area-reached-121-2-f-49-6-c-in-pnw-heat-wave ; More than 1,000 people fled village and surrounding area; RCMP working to find those unaccounted for DJ-Climate collapse is extreme weather, increase of pandemic risks...[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/025844.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/025844.shtml?cone#contents "Elsa" could reach Florida early next week... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 DJ; Also following UK weekly trends-latest % for UK deaths=+10,7% 114 deaths this week-103 last week. Hospital cases up 11,4% this week 1,735-last week 1,558..So yes-still "limited numbers" but an upward trend...If one would also include numbers of spread in vaccinated people there may be a trend of decreased vaccine protection-in the UK... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918478-cidrap-mrna-vaccines-ease-breakthrough-covid-novavax-helps-block-variant[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918478-cidrap-mrna-vaccines-ease-breakthrough-covid-novavax-helps-block-variant ; In the first study, a team led by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention COVID-19 Response Team tested 3,975 coronavirus-naïve healthcare workers, first responders, and other essential workers who received one or two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna mRNA vaccine or were unvaccinated from Dec 14, 2020, to Apr 10, 2021. The study took place in Arizona, Florida, Minnesota, Oregon, Texas, and Utah. - Fully or partially vaccinated participants had a 40% lower average viral RNA load (95% CI, 16% to 57%) than the unvaccinated group, a 58% lower risk of fever (relative risk, 0.42; 95% CI, 01.8 to 0.98), and a shorter illness (-6 days of symptoms, -2 days spent sick in bed; 95% CI, 0.8 to 3.7). - The second study, led by researchers from the Vaccine Institute at the University of London, was part of an ongoing phase 3 trial of the Novavax recombinant nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine. The study involved 14,039 participants aged 18 to 84 years at 33 sites in the United Kingdom from Sep 28 to Nov 28, 2020. The newly released results come on the heels of the company's Jun 14 announcement of 90% overall vaccine efficacy. DJ-We have two tools by now in this pandemic-vaccines and NPI/social distance...Ivermectin-like medication may be tool #3. HCW-er like groups are not a cross section of society...but maybe they run most of the risks and deserve the best protection possible. It would be good to keep monitoring how good vaccines offer protection against (all kind of) variants. I believe in being honest. If you want people to follow rules you have to be as honest as you can be...and also be honest on all that you do not yet know ! So far communications-basic in any crisis-has been based on wishfull thinking. A lot of "leaders" and at least some "experts" did not think an infectious disease could cause a pandemic in the 21st century...So they may have to change their mindset. Infectious diseases were widespread till 1900-when better hygiene, knowledge, care, sewage, housing, etc. started to make a difference. On average people had a life expectency of 40 years till 1900-in part due to high numbers of children dying before they got 18...A mix of lots of measures did increase life expectency-double it even for some countries. But older people have less defenses against illness (allthough supplements can make a big difference). Also other chronic diseases did increase vulnarability of societies... The basic idea of the 2020 world less vulnarable for an infectious disease pandemic was wrong. Most countries "we kept poor" still miss basic healthcare..this pandemic could and should be expected ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918477-cidrap-africa-europe-feel-impact-of-covid-19-delta-variant-spread[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918477-cidrap-africa-europe-feel-impact-of-covid-19-delta-variant-spread ; Africa cases doubling every 3 weeks DJ-Without vaccine protection and on top of other (chronic) diseases the outlook for most people-dealing with the Delta variant-is not good. From the same link; Europe expects Delta dominance by August DJ-Again opening up while a highly infective Delta variant is increasing is a level of insanity I can no longer understand... More global headlines
DJ-I will try to see(k) for more info on the Lambda variant-proberbly increasing in South America-even slowing down the Delta variant...basicly that means that the Lambda/Peru variant may be more infectious.."stronger" then the Delta variant. Ecuador is reporting +41% increase of cases, Argentina +10%, Colombia and Bolivia +5%-rest of South America is decreasing cases...may signal Lambda variant may have peaked (wich could be followed by an increase of the Delta variant in the coming weeks...). [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918474-cidrap-180-million-americans-have-had-at-least-1-covid-vaccine-dose[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918474-cidrap-180-million-americans-have-had-at-least-1-covid-vaccine-dose ; Today during a White House press briefing, Jeff Zients, White House COVID-19 coordinator, said 180 million Americans now have had at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and White House Chief Medical Advisor Anthony Fauci, MD, reassured the country that the three vaccines with emergency use authorization in the United States are likely effective against the Delta (B11617.2) variant. - The 7-day average of new cases this week is 12,600. Though this is a 96% decrease since the pandemic peak in January, it reflects a 10% increase from last week's 7-day average. DJ-The spread of vaccines in the US is a major problem. Also you need a combination of vaccines, NPI and-proberbly effective-Ivermectin...same link; Fauci explained with data from the UK that both mRNA and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are likely to be largely protective against Delta. He said assumptions of Johnson & Johnson's efficacy were made based on the performance of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the United Kingdom, a similar adenovirus-based vaccine. DJ-headache, sore throat, runny nose does not sound that bad...Why exclude hospital cases, deaths are going up in the UK-be it in limited numbers ? Clear communications matter ! With healthcare being overstretched-often for over a year-limited vaccinations-the Delta variant will kill ! The US has less vaccine protection then the UK or Israel...and the Delta variant is a major problem there ! For that matter Australia, and China, are going for strict NPI on basis of very low number of Delta variant spread. Both the EU, UK, US "accept ?" a much higher number of Delta variant cases spreading without increasing NPI...Again-I am lost !-I do not understand the lack of action in EU/UK/US...do they give up on stopping this pandemic ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918465-covid-19-deaths-in-canada-may-be-2-times-higher-than-reported-study-finds[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918465-covid-19-deaths-in-canada-may-be-2-times-higher-than-reported-study-finds ; A new study suggests Canada has vastly underestimated how many people have died from COVID-19 and says the number could be two times higher than reported. DJ-The global number of Covid deaths most likely more then double the "reported numbers"...Canada may be doing better than average... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest activities-get me boiling ! So, I packed up my fevery self into the cold rainy morning and drove to the health dept where they looked at me like I had 2 heads when i asked for the ‘special’ COVID test since, I’M VACCINATED. No, go back to PCP we don’t have any special test. PCP eventually agreed to test me DJ-Good educated, vaccinated people catching Covid19-variant and then denied basic care because"vaccinated people do not get Covid19" is unbelievable, shocking...Due to better education and strenght this woman did get her message out ! But how many more vaccinated but ill people simply are denied Covid-testing "because they can not have Covid because being vaccinated"? Vaccination as a semi-religion...Insanity again...! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections?view=stream latest; Staff and patients at Fiji's main healthcare facility in the capital Suva, the Colonial War Memorial Hospital were without food for most of Thursday as Covid-19 infections crept into the facility's kitchen. DJ-Food supply to a hospital is that basic... -Dr.John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-BRuiSV-o8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-BRuiSV-o8 Thursday-july 1-update-from under the video; US, Delta, 26% LA county fully vaccinated should wear masks and distance indoors WHO, same guidelines Dr. Fauci CDC not changing guidelines for fully vaccinated not wearing masks It can cause more serious disease Delta variant will take over in unvaccinated parts of the country Fall, two separate situations Southern states dangerously low vaccination levels Tim Spector (UK) R = 1.1 This wave is proving different Spreading west to east West now flattening New cases, June 25th Unvaccinated, + 18,758 Vaccinated, 5,594 One dose, + 4,000 2 doses, + 2,000 Positivity rate Unvaccinated, 4% One dose, 1.9% Two doses, 0.6% Vaccinated symptoms Headache Runny nose Sore throat Sneezing Persistent cough Long covid N = 45,096 1.2 million anonymous GP records Cannot carry on as normal after 12 weeks 20 year olds, 1.2% Middle age, 4.8% Factors in long covid Comorbidities, psychical and mental Over 70s Female Asthma Non-white England v Germany 40,000 in stadium 11 host cities across Europe (Euro 2020 football/soccer) German Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer I think Uefa's position is utterly irresponsible because we live in a time of a pandemic and in countries like Great Britain, where there’s a high incidence rate it’s a foregone conclusion that this will drive the rate of infection I have the suspicion that this is about commercial interests People who travelled to London on 18 June, 1,294 397 inside Wembley, out of 2,600 allocated tickets Total tagged to Euros by PHS, 1,991 cases 90% male 1,470, aged 20 to 39 6% of positive cases during the period attended a match Finland Delta surge Supporters returning home from St Petersburg DJ "Sports" is another form of insanity...Olympics will increase Japan cases-still going ahead later on this month...London-UK-will see semi-finals/final match later on-with increasing Delta variants... -Music...They Coming to take me away aha ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSpX9PtxwH0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSpX9PtxwH0 Napoleon XIV 1966... DJ-If insanity is the norm it is accepteble to not understand "that norm"... |
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Dutch Josh
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DJ-Another try to make sense of how rhe world is (NOT) dealing with this pandemic... -Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table For Europe cases +40%....deaths +8%....Delta variant basicly exploding...so there are talks that fully vaccinated can travel between Germany and the UK...For NL cases have been increasing for four days in a row. Since "reopening-freedom" is just a week old both politics and experts claim "some increases were expected"...for some magical reasons increase in cases in NL would not mean increase of hospital cases/deaths-while in the UK-with more vaccinations and local restrictions-both hospital cases and deaths are increasing... The Dutch CDC has made "models" and on that basis "damage is expected to be limited"...As far as I know all of those "models" were not a major succes...Political reasons may sink us deeper into the swamp-after wich our right wing PM rutte blames the public for creating this crisis...and people vote for him for his "leadership".... This pandemic story IS a political story by now. Right wing extremists, trump, bolsonaro, modi, bojo, netanyahu, and here in NL rutte do not see a major government role in containing a pandemic. "Market economy" can solve any crisis as a sort of religion...If the R0 gets above 1, hospitals get in crisis, they go for some restrictions...to lift them when the worst is over...and see cases going up again-with new variants.... Numbers; UK cases going up in weekly trends 74 % ! Last week just under 90,000 cases, this week over 155,000....UK deaths +12% last week 110-this week 123...no doubt most of them in unvaccinated or older age vaccinated with healthissues...The bigger problem is variants getting able to deal/escape immunity....but that "does not make cents or votes".... Australia still in limited numbers-last week 109 positive cases, this week 263 so up 141%. No deaths ! Finland has a high "Euro 2020" increase-+159% last week 565, this week 1,461 cases. Deaths +100% last week 2, this week 4... Israel +99%, last week 869 cases, this week 1,733-deaths -100% this week 0, last week 1... New Zealand increase of 55%, last week 11, this week 17 cases... Indonesia +42%, last week 109,601 cases, this week 156,071-Deaths +36% last week 2,328-this week 3,163 crisis South Africa +25% last week 99,316-this week 123,921 cases-deaths +45% last week 1,180-this week 1,711 USA cases +11% last week 89,309 this week 99,018, deaths still decreasing -21% last week 2,172-this week 1,722 NL Cases -2% last week 4,625 this week 4,545, deaths -12% last week 17 this week 15... General picture-vaccines may limit damage but even in UK, Israel cases going up-with high level of vaccinations...It may keep severe cases, deaths limited for now...Global increase of cases +6% deaths still decreasing -3%... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ July 2 did see a global increase of 437,500+ cases, 8,495 deaths...Brazil over 65,000 new cases, 1,879 deaths at #1, India 47,250+ cases/797 deaths at #2 and at #3 Colombia 28,000+ new cases, 586 deaths...Russia reported 679 deaths, Argentina 610 deaths so for deaths Colombia at #5... Worldometer global (tested & reported) deaths at 3,979,868. India now over the 400,000 reported deaths...Peru at 5,770 deaths per million-translating to 0,577% of the Peru population died in/from this pandemic...Some countries around 0,3% of their population did die in this pandemic...if 0,2% global population dying so far in this pandemic would be realistic (and putting the global population at 8 billion) you would get at 16 million people dying so far in this pandemic-4 times the reported/tested cases...may still be an underestimate... [url]https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/[/url] or https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/ The Lambda variant is exploding in South America...Chile sequencing 840 cases, US 619, Peru 239, Germany 99, Mexico 89...Argentina 87, Ecuador 57, Spain 51, Israel 25, Colombia 19...Comparing that view with the Delta variant for those countries (Brazil only 16 Delta and 4 Lambda variant cases); Chile reported just 1 Delta variant, US did see 6,281 Delta cases, Peru 2 Delta variant cases, Germany had 2,046 Delta cases, Mexico 244, Argentina 1, Ecuador 0, Spain 723, Israel 113, Colombia 0.... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant ; In mid-June 2021, 90.6% of new COVID-19 cases in Arequipa and 78.1% of new cases in Cusco were the Lambda variant according to the Peruvian Ministry of Health DJ The wiki page also with statistics per july 1....As a non-expert trying to make sense the Lambda variant (still not a variant of concern but VOI of "interest"...) is setting of all kind of alarms ! May be increasing even outside South America against the Delta variant ! While the Delta variant is allready a night mare !!!! [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table To put numbers in perspective South Americ cases -17%, deaths -10%...Peru cases -15%, deaths -4%, Colombia cases +0,2% deaths -4%, Argentina cases +5%, deaths -9%...Ecuador cases +14% deaths -5%...so the Lanbda-"picture" is unclear... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918559-cidrap-covid-19-surges-accelerate-in-southeast-asia[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918559-cidrap-covid-19-surges-accelerate-in-southeast-asia ; Health officials in Indonesia and Thailand reported record daily highs for new COVID-19 infections, much of it driven by the Delta (B1617.2) variant, as the leader of the World Health Organization (WHO) today said countries have two options for pushing back: public health measures and sharing tools such as medical supplies, oxygen, and vaccine. DJ-Indonesia is #4 for population with 276 million+ Pakistan #5 at 225 million+ (China, India, US=top 3). [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 DJ; UK week trends hospital cases +16,5% 1,825 =+259 last week. UK deaths also up 11,8% 123 last week, 110 deaths the week before...So-yes limited numbers still...but simply NOT GOOD !!!! Variants spreading high speed in a population that is partly vaccinated is asking for vaccine escape !!! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918555-cidrap-dog-cat-owners-with-covid-19-often-pass-it-to-pets[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918555-cidrap-dog-cat-owners-with-covid-19-often-pass-it-to-pets DJ Both studies, NL and Canada, have been discussed before on this forum. Covid in pets is-in my opinion-a risk. But spread into other animals in/around the house, mice, rats, squirrels, raccoons may be a bigger risk. Also in live stock (pigs !) very unwelcome and of major risk... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918548-ca-delta-variant-cases-rising-in-l-a-county[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918548-ca-delta-variant-cases-rising-in-l-a-county ; Los Angeles County’s top public health official expressed growing alarm about increasing circulation of the highly contagious Delta variant of the coronavirus, particularly as the region grapples with an uptick in new infections. DJ-Major urban area's may be like a canary in a coalmine warning for new variant-problems...Spread starts in cities then spreads to rural area's...maybe the first variants came from rural area's and "became big" in the cities.. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918545-south-korea-s-covid-19-cases-spike-as-delta-variant-spreads[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918545-south-korea-s-covid-19-cases-spike-as-delta-variant-spreads ; SEOUL – South Korea’s daily count of coronavirus cases topped 800 on Thursday, the highest in nearly six months, due to new cluster infections and the spread of the highly contagious delta variant, officials said on Friday. DJ Seoul [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Capital_Area[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Capital_Area ;The Seoul Capital Area (SCA), Sudogwon (Korean: μλκΆ; Hanja: ι¦ι½ε; RR: Sudogwon; MR: SudokwΕn, [sudoΙ‘wΚn]) or Gyeonggi region (Korean: κ²½κΈ° μ§λ°©; Hanja: δΊ¬ηΏε°ζΉ; RR: Gyeonggi Jibang; MR: KyΕnggi Jibang) is the metropolitan area of Seoul, Incheon, and Gyeonggi Province, located in north-west South Korea. Its population of 25 million (as of 2017)[1] ranked as the fifth largest metropolitan area in the world. See also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities Tokyo #1-37,4 million-Olympics later this month...Japan cases +3%, deaths -27% "The Olympic Committee welcomes the Delta-variant"..... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918537-morocco-warns-new-lockdown-restrictions-amid-increasing-covid-19-cases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918537-morocco-warns-new-lockdown-restrictions-amid-increasing-covid-19-cases [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917614-namibia-oxygen-shortage-in-hospitals-as-covid-surges[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917614-namibia-oxygen-shortage-in-hospitals-as-covid-surges DJ-STOP THE SPREAD !!!!!! [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/5-bizarre-new-plagues-have-made-headlines-us-within-last-30-days[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/5-bizarre-new-plagues-have-made-headlines-us-within-last-30-days - Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGllOW3zo1k[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGllOW3zo1k A look at statistics...South Africa/Suid Afrika as an English speaking country....[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans is spoken by in between 15 and 23 million people in southern "Afrika".... Lots of info/links under the video...a main point is an Office of National Statistics study on risk of reinfections...DJ-To be honest I think using-only-statistics for that goal/study is misleading. Manaus-Brazil had high natural immunity but did see high level of variant infections... In my opinion Dr. J.C. is not taking an easy way-defending Ivermectin shows courage ! But I have a different view on what vaccines/reinfections can do/mean...We need to get the R0 almost at 0 if we want to get out of this pandemic...The other choice would be to accept a high level of disease, hope for some sort of natural immunity...Now we are in the middle of these two choices and that is making matters even worse... -Music; Torn between two lovers (vaccine and NPI...) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFB1yytGLRA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFB1yytGLRA Mary McGregor 1976... |
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Just remember that at the moment all the NZ cases are imported and are in Kiwis coming home, and all of them are in managed isolation. There is none in the communtiy, unlike Australia where it has escaped and the cases being reported are all community based. There's a huge difference. |
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KiwiMum-Good to know NZ border control is effective...other countries should have learned from border controls by now... DJ- -In NL "experts", "politicians", "embedded press" are wondering why cases are going up ...Could it be increase of testing ? "Normal testing" is going down still-but also showing an increase of positive cases...We also have spent hundreds of millions on "testing for entry" (you could run a few hospitals on that but why should you...partytime !)...those tests are going up-also more positives... How can this be ? "think...think...." ...."We have to study this...."..... The Delta variant-if there are no restrictions may have an R0 between 6 and 8 in unvaccinated...Here in NL we did vaccinate fully 1/3 of the population...in combination with natural immunity that ...of course...would stop such a virulent Delta variant...is the illusion of the EPEP...."experts-politicians-embedded press"...This "clique" has been promoting reopening for the last few months-even when the Delta variant was already spreading... But-at least-in NL hospital cases are going down...young people "do not get ill....hay fever like symptoms..." DJ-I am almost exploding out of anger ! "We" are dealing with this pandemic like "we" are dealing with climate change...denial of a problem and then put zillions of tax money to big companies that may have started the problem... -Numbers; [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Yeah we did it again ! NL cases +14% last week 4,491-this week 5,118 ..Deaths +7% last week 15-this week 16...so limited numbers...no reason for restrictions...NL is going for a top 10 position...in trends by % now "only" at #86...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ daily increase-yesterday +1.125 (other number is 1.146) at #45... "We" can get over the 10.000 cases per day ! Maybe even get to #1 in cases...of course "hay fever/cold like symptoms"...young people...no problem...no restrictions... DJ-I love my country-but I hate stupidity...and by now NL is getting close to world champion in acting stupid...Since reopening is just a week old-politics will blame the people..."we did not follow the rules"... Other countries doing sometimes much worse...weekly trends cases +3%, deaths -5% (yesterday was -6%...we will be in the + within a week..). UK cases +67% last week 97,131-this week 162,292...deaths -1% last week 119, this week 118. Yesterday UK reported 24,885 new cases and 18 deaths. US cases +7% last week 89,494-this week 95,748...deaths -23% last week 2,121, this week 1,635. Yesterday US reported 7,978 new cases and 96 deaths. Israel cases +84% last week 993-this week 1,825...deaths -100% last week 1 this week 0...Israel reported 277 new positive test cases yesterday-no deaths... NL may have what less vaccinations, Israel, UK, US proberbly still in top 5 for vaccinations-yet cases going up. And [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest activity..UK hospital cases also keep going up...+24,2%. Last week 1,573 UK hospital admissions, this week +380 to 1,953-daily average now at 358. Latest numbers had a decrease of weekly deaths by 0,8% last week 119-this week 118-daily deaths now for UK at 18. Positive UK tests trend is +66,9%... You do not get into hospital for "cold/hay fever like symptoms"....A lot of very ill persons may not seek help... In trends 104 countries now reporting an increase in cases (with limited testing in many countries). Deaths are going up in % in 69 countries-with another 60 countries at 0%..UK first with -1% at # 129...Again global deaths very likely in the + before next sunday... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918616-china-the-guangzhou-institute-of-respiratory-health-announced-on-the-throat-swab-robot-can-meet-the-needs-of-large-scale-nucleic-acid-collection-june-2-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918616-china-the-guangzhou-institute-of-respiratory-health-announced-on-the-throat-swab-robot-can-meet-the-needs-of-large-scale-nucleic-acid-collection-june-2-2021 ; Throat swabs are currently the most important sampling method for diagnosing new coronavirus infections. During the operation of the throat swab, medical staff must be in close contact with the patient. The patient's coughing and hard breathing can produce a large amount of droplets or aerosols, which has a higher risk of cross-infection. Moreover, in the process of collecting throat swabs, due to differences in the level of medical staff and irregularities in the collection of throat swabs, the quality of the swabs varies and false negatives are prone to occur.
DJ-You may get better quality samples, protect HCWers...but "chewing gum" samples (sometimes used for children) may have more future then "a robot sticking things in your nose and mouth"...They are also testing all kinds of electronic gear-"smart watch like" to look for (very) early indications for infection. In combination with (more detailed) sewage sampling, smart camera's (noticing differences in behavior, temperature etc.) "high tech" could become "normal" for (totalitarian) pandemic prevention... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/918410-fiji-new-wave-of-infections?view=stream latest; Delta Variant. Dead on arrival is new Fiji Covid-19 trend https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/...covid-19-trend DJ; "DOA=Dead On Arrival" may be the outcome of problem denial. If the mainstream communication is "hay fever like symptoms" why seek care ? It will go away ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918610-long-term-care-visitors-limited-in-yukon-as-territory-reports-31-more-covid-19-cases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918610-long-term-care-visitors-limited-in-yukon-as-territory-reports-31-more-covid-19-cases ; There have been 31 more cases of COVID-19 in Yukon over the past two days, and health officials are now reducing the number of visitors to long-term care homes in the territory as a precaution. DJ [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukon[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukon ; Yukon[7] (/ΛjuΛkΙn/ (listen); French: [jykΙΜ]; formerly called Yukon Territory and referred to by some as the Yukon) is the smallest and westernmost of Canada's three territories. It also is the least populated province or territory in Canada, with a population of 35,874 people as of the 2016 Census. Whitehorse, the territorial capital, is the largest settlement in any of the three territories. Bordering Alaska-but very remote... DJ-After the "summer will save us" 2020 mantra the promoted message for this year was supposed to be "vaccines (Big Pharma) will save us". And yes-in countries where there have been lots of vaccinations deaths are going down for now... In "climate change" the message also is "the system is okay...we have to go "green"...So big car industry, fossil fuel companies go "green"...rich get even richer, poor more poor... The "way out of this pandemic" -the totalitarian scenario is; -Blame the victim-the system is OK..."the party is always right" -Increased "prevention surveilance" 24/7 "smart watch control", to housenumber precise sewage sampling...big data-is there a link between what you eat and pandemics ? -"Test society"-you want to go in "public space" you need testing (of course done by a private company...) -If you still get ill it is YOUR mistake ! The system is okay...YOU did something wrong... So "we" keep flying around the globe, eat meat, "break the rules with cocaine"...An international jet-set-only a very small group in power..."democrazy" in stead of democracy...For me democracy means all have access to basic healthcare, education, housing, jobs...Not the "divide and rule" game...Not extreme inequality-but within borders or worldwide... Ecocide, genocide have become the "new normal" to keep a small rich elite in power...calling this insanity "democracy" is a total misunderstanding of what democracy should mean... -[url]https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching Dr. John Campbell-channel on YouTube...I respect him for being an expert, his will to spent hours per day in communicating, his courage to defend Ivermectin... I disagree with him on what vaccines may mean-but-again-I am NOT an expert ! The Delta variant is exploding all around the globe..maybe South America may see the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant exploding..next in line after the Delta-variant ? Or will they "mix" ? Will H5/H7 bird flu start spreading in humans ? Or [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/a-temperature-rise-of-more-than-18-degrees-celsius-by-2026.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/a-temperature-rise-of-more-than-18-degrees-celsius-by-2026.html is climate collapse going exponential ? Do we find an excuse to start yet another war "to stop agression"... I wish I could be more optimistic...Enjoy the here and now ! The "there and then" may be tomorrows worry... Music; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow Oops...! I Did it again...Britney Spears...(DJ-More serious-her music is not my taste-but her legal position makes you question further US basic laws...) In this pandemic "we" (=EPEP, "Experts, Politics, Embedded Press") keep saying "oops we did it again"-sinking ever deeper in a pandemic swamp. |
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DJ, -The numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table and [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ are going up for new cases-worldwide +3%, deaths-still -5%...most of them the Delta variant. In a lot of less vaccinated countries deaths also going up. In the UK, Finland hospital cases increasing if you look at more local statistics. Also deaths on the increase in countries like Russia (+18%), Spain (+16%), Portugal (+47%) in relevant numbers. Europe cases +38%, deaths +5%. For North America cases +6%, deaths -19%...but the Delta variant started its spread earlier in Europe-most of it in UK, Portugal...somewhat Finland/Russia...US cases -0,6%/deaths -27%, Canada cases -14%/deaths -12%...on the other side Cuba cases +50%/deaths +34%. Mexico numbers cases +23%, deaths -23%... France health minister is warning for another wave...UK is preparing for reopening per july 19...Here in NL some experts claim reopening was to soon. About 1/3 of ALL of the population fully vaccinated...UK is doing better in vaccinations-still hospital cases going up in relevant numbers... It is a balancing act in wich politics has the final word. "Right wing" governments often go "save the economy"-"left wing" go "protect public health"...I (DJ) am NOT an expert, also NOT neutral...I think this pandemic so far did show one should go for the safe side... As a non-expert I think there is more then enough evidence by now that a high level of virus spread will result in new variants. Also mixed with limited vaccinations more resistent variants will show up. Public support for measures is needed if you want to increase-again-NPI. Terrible communications mean there is not that much support...A lot of people did decide to go for their own protection...still using masks even when the government is claiming there is less need to do so... I expect another health crisis will show up later this month in Europe, North America...for most of the rest of the world that crisis never went away... Israel still reporting an increase +104%, last week 1,021 cases, this week 2,081 cases-no deaths... China cases -21% last week 145, this week 115-also no deaths... Australia cases +54% last week 168, this week 258-no deaths... DJ-Since we keep seeing variants showing up, a tendency of immunity resistent increase-again-my choice would be to be on the safe side...But it also depends on the goals you set. I would like to get rid of this virus the best we can...get an R0 close to 0...Most experts say we "have to live with the virus"...will need vaccines from time to time...The outcome is most of the "poor countries" will be in a semi-permanent health crisis, high mortality, lots of new variants...(A lot of health experts in the UK are against the planned reopening per july 19-it would result in more (vaccine resistent) variants...But the UK politics is looking at "limited pressure on hospitals"...). Reality will be a lot of people going to work/study from their homes...hand shaking is history...social distancing more common. In South America-with the Lambda variant playing an important role cases -20%, deaths -7%...so risk of that variant may be limited. -Flutrackers latest; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918759-ongoing-global-and-regional-adaptive-evolution-of-sars-cov-2[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918759-ongoing-global-and-regional-adaptive-evolution-of-sars-cov-2 ; DJ-What I do understand from this is variants are interacting with their enviroment. May be able to deal with vaccines... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918757-will-we-ever-lock-down-again-experts-say-it%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98unlikely-%E2%80%99-as-pandemic-finish-line-draws-near[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918757-will-we-ever-lock-down-again-experts-say-it%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98unlikely-%E2%80%99-as-pandemic-finish-line-draws-near ; While case counts continue to fluctuate, Chakrabarti explained that this figure is rapidly becoming less important compared to hospitalizations when it comes to predicting potential lockdowns. DJ-I guess experts divided...healthcare in the short term can manage the expected increase of cases-they think. I think-looking at NL increases went up a bit faster then expected...also "pressure on hospitals being limited may be based on wishfull thinking..over optimistic models...". Often health institutes only look at national-not global-scenario's...while this pandemic over and over is showing you have to look at the global picture...A sort of "national tunnelvision" keeps missing global variants spreading... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918548-ca-delta-variant-cases-rising-in-l-a-county[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918548-ca-delta-variant-cases-rising-in-l-a-county ; What is missing entirely is any actual informed leadership. DJ-100% is NOT 100X more infectious-it is double as infectious...Flutrackers-in my opinion-is a forum for people with more healthcare background...and in that way different from this forum. But I agree with the lack of long term thinking... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918547-cuba-starts-july-with-complex-health-situation-due-to-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918547-cuba-starts-july-with-complex-health-situation-due-to-covid-19 ; HAVANA, July 3 (Xinhua) -- Cuba once again set a record for the number of daily cases of COVID-19, with 3,475 infections and 15 deaths in the last 24 hours, the Ministry of Public Health reported on Saturday. DJ-A lot of community spread in Cuba. With tropical storm "Elsa" on its way the healthcare situation may worsen...Cuba proberbly has the best public healthcare in Latin America. My idea is they may have more a Delta-variant problem..allthough also Lambda/Peru and Alfa/UK variant (and some African variants ?) may play a role...Could this result in a "Cuba-variant" ? As far as I know limited vaccinations with Cuba/home made vaccines... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918752-iran-reimposes-virus-restrictions-as-delta-variant-spreads[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918752-iran-reimposes-virus-restrictions-as-delta-variant-spreads ; TEHRAN, IRAN -- Iran announced Sunday it was reimposing coronavirus restrictions on major cities, as the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant spurs fears of another devastating surge in the nation. DJ-Iran also did work with Cuba on vaccines. Iran numbers may give some indications on where South West Asia is... MAJOR: [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/918750-eid-journal-predictors-of-nonseroconversion-after-sars-cov-2-infection[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/918750-eid-journal-predictors-of-nonseroconversion-after-sars-cov-2-infection ; The long-held notion that once you've been infected by a virus - and have recovered - that your body has life-long protective antibodies and you can't be reinfected by that virus, is only partially true, and only applies to some viruses. Measles, mumps, chickenpox, and a host of other viral infection do leave lasting immunity in the vast majority of people who contract them, but exceedingly rare reinfections have been documented (see JID Clinical Reinfection with Varicella-Zoster Virus). Viruses that are less stable, and mutate antigenically, are better able to evade prior immunity. Influenza is particularly problematic because it evolves rapidly, making it possible to catch the same subtype of influenza repeatedly over a lifetime. Durable immunity against the original infective strain, however, is assumed to remain. In the spring of 2019, in a fascinating research study conducted by researchers at the NIH and NIAID (see C.I.D.: Influenza A Reinfection in Sequential Human Challenge), we saw that this wasn't necessarily so. In that study, researchers exposed a small group of healthy volunteers to a specific H1N1 virus, and recorded their subsequent infections and immune responses. A year later, they repeated this virus challenge on the same group (n=7) with the exact same virus, expecting their residual immunity would protect them. To their surprise they found that at least 3 - and possibly 5 - of the 7 were reinfected with the exact same flu strain. While the study cohort was small, the results led the researchers to write in their conclusion: The data presented in this report demonstrate that sequential infection with the identical influenza A virus can occur and suggest it may not be rare. These data raise questions about immune memory responses in an acute superficial respiratory mucosal infection and their implications in development of broadly protective influenza vaccines. Further investigation of these observations is warranted. In 2016, we looked at another problem with durable immunity - this time to MERS-CoV- in EID Journal: Antibody Response & Disease Severity In HCW MERS Survivors. This study looked at 9 Health care workers who were infected during the 2014 Jeddah outbreak (2 severe pneumonia, 3 milder pneumonia, 1 URTI, and 3 asymptomatic), and found that only those with severe pneumonia still carried detectable levels of MERS-specific antibodies 18 months later. Those who experienced a milder pneumonia had shorter lived antibody responses (1 out to 10 months, 2 out to 3 months), while the URTI and asymptomatic cases tested negative at 3 months post infection. Beginning last summer we began to see multiple reports of rapidly waning antibody levels in recovered COVID cases, raising concerns that between the rise of new variants, and SARS-CoV-2 infection leaving a less-than-indelible mark on the immune system, that herd immunity might be hard to achieve. - Over time it has become apparent that not everyone develops a robust, and durable antibody response following COVID infection (or vaccination). Last March, in Denmark SSI: Assessment of Protection Against Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2, we looked at the results of a large study by the SSI suggesting that protection against reinfection with COVID is far from guaranteed, particularly among the elderly. Based on 4 million Danes who received multiple PRC tests in 2020, researchers calculated the average person is about 80% protected - at least in the short term (6 months) - against reinfection. Among those aged 65 and over, however, that protection is estimated to be only 47%. While waning immunity over time has been identified as a risk for reinfection, we've also seen reports that some people who test positive for COVID never seroconvert, and never develop detectable antibodies. Last summer in COVID-19: From here To Immunity (Take Two), we looked at a preprint that found Between 2 and 8.5% of infected cases failed to develop SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies. All of which brings us to a new Dispatch published late last week in the CDC's EID Journal, which finds an even larger (36%) portion of COVID cases (n=72) in their study failed to seroconvert. Failure to seroconvert was linked to younger age and lower SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in their respiratory tract. - Initial serosurveys identified antibodies in nearly 100% of persons with RT-PCR–confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection (5). However, more recent studies have shown that seroconversion rates are surprisingly variable (6–10). - Conclusions In summary, we show that patients with low SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in their respiratory tract are less likely to mount a systemic antibody response. Although we cannot formally exclude false-positive RT-PCR results in some participants, PCR contamination is highly unlikely as an explanation for our findings (Appendix). We also show that clinical illness does not guarantee seroconversion and that laboratories with highly sensitive RT-PCR assays are more likely to detect serologic nonresponders. These results provide an explanation for the puzzling variability of seroconversion in different cohorts. The fact that a considerable fraction of RT-PCR positive persons fail to seroconvert has practical implications. Such persons remain undetected in seroprevalence studies, including in vaccine studies that assess protection from asymptomatic infection by measuring antibodies to antigens not included in the vaccine. Seroconverters and nonseroconverters will probably also respond differently to vaccination. Recent studies revealed that seropositive persons have a heightened antibody response after the first, but not the second, dose of an mRNA vaccine, suggesting that a single dose is sufficient (11–13; Samanovic et al., unpub. data, LINK. Serologic nonresponders might not exhibit a similarly heightened anamnestic response, but resemble SARS-CoV-2 naive persons, as was observed for 1 previously infected vaccinee who never seroconverted (14). Finally, RT-PCR positive persons who experienced COVID-19 symptoms might be less inclined to seek vaccination, believing they are protected, but our results caution against this interpretation. Dr. Liu is a virologist at the University of Pennsylvania. His primary research interests include the evolutionary history and biology of zoonotic pathogens. - The takeaway from this dispatch is that while most people who have had a COVID infection likely seroconverted - and came away with some degree of immunity (at least against the strain or variant they were exposed to), a significant percentage likely have no detectable protective SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies. (Caveat: nAb titers aren't the only measure of potential post-infection immunity, as the role of T-Cells and other elements of the innate immune system in fighting this virus remain poorly understood.). Those who believe their prior infection negates their need to be vaccinated could find out the hard way that they are less protected than they think. Granted, vaccination doesn't guarantee 100% protection either, but the more `layers of protection' you can put between you and the virus, the better your chances of are of avoiding infection in the future. DJ-Vaccinations are supposed to create immune protection. Immune protection is a complex proces. Natural infections may give a somewhat different outcome...but my interpretation of the above is-again-vaccine protection may not be as good as some studies would love to suggest...A mix of NPI and vaccines may be needed-even if you only go for the goal of limiting pressure on hospitals... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/918729-viruses-coronaviruses-in-bats-a-review-for-the-americas[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/918729-viruses-coronaviruses-in-bats-a-review-for-the-americas ; The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is the focus of attention as it has caused more than three million human deaths globally. This and other coronaviruses, such as MERS-CoV, have been suggested to be related to coronaviruses that are hosted in bats. This work shows, through a bibliographic review, the frequency of detection of coronavirus in bats species of the Americas. The presence of coronavirus in bats has been examined in 25 investigations in 11 countries of the Americas between 2007 and 2020. Coronaviruses have been explored in 9371 individuals from 160 species of bats, and 187 coronavirus sequences have been deposited in GenBank distributed in 43 species of bats. While 91% of the coronaviruses sequences identified infect a single species of bat, the remainder show a change of host, dominating the intragenera change. So far, only Mex-CoV-6 is related to MERS-CoV, a coronavirus pathogenic for humans, so further coronavirus research effort in yet unexplored bat species is warranted. DJ-Corona viral disease in (non-human) animals has been a long term problem. That (Mexican ?) bats can spread MERS-like disease should be another warning ! DJ-In my opinion we keep underestimating both Covid19/SARS-2 and its variants and the damage a pandemic can do. "We"still seem to be unable and/or unwilling to learn from recent history and keep repeating wrong decissions hoping for a better outcome... If you "can't fix stupid" we may have to live with the outcome... DJ-No video from Dr. John Campbell...so music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RmXXTPrOgA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RmXXTPrOgA ; Jennifer (Warnes) - 1969 - Let The Sunshine In... DJ-The way you look at any situation does matter ! Yes-I think we have a global healthcrisis getting worse...No-It does not get any better if I worry to much about it...We already had a climate crisis proberbly worse...Wars are a permanent risk. If you look at history we may-in most countries-still be in a "comfort zone" unseen before in human history...So for now-"enjoy the moment-let the sunshine in"...it may not last but "we are small and just visitors staying for a short time"...My choice is to limit my ecological footprint the best I can...go for safety the best I can...and know my limits the best I can... |
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DJ; "Since the vaccination goes in the upper arm delta-muscle the new variant is named Delta-variant and is spread by vaccinated people"...This kind of pure-100%-insanity is spread by some groups of idiots...I do not know who is funding them or why... Biggest problem is a lot of people may believe this total crap...since the alternative is "BoJo"...reopening England (not the UK !) while Delta variants are exploding and [url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/ as expected leaky vaccine protection is decreasing... Here in NL we now have had several mass-spread events in the "party world"...very essential for the economy...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/05/daily-coronavirus-tally-tops-1500-enschede-nightclub-linked-180-cases[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/05/daily-coronavirus-tally-tops-1500-enschede-nightclub-linked-180-cases . "Our" "government" "thinks" it is a good idea to leave public health to the population during a pandemic...Dumping responsibilities and then blame others when things go wrong has been a strategy for years of "our" PM/clown mark(et) rutte...(D.Trump with glasses and a smile...). But "since they show leadership" the bunch of idiots leading us into a major healthcrisis, after creating a housing crisis, increasing poverty, a tax scandal..still get most of the votes...In NL elections did become a popularity contest... -Insanity in numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Europe in general ; cases going up 43% (last week 348,163-this week 497,753) deaths +5% (last week 6,052-this week 6,336). BoJo has been very succesfull in increasing UK cases +54%, deaths +5% UK #13 in Europe. NL made it almost to the top 10 at 11..cases going up 59% (with serious undercounting-due to delay in reporting test results...) deaths going up 14%... At #12 Portugal-bars have to close at 3.30 hrs so young people from all over the world party further at the beach...getting drunk on planes returning them to their home countries...cases going up 57%, deaths +72%..."but young people do not get very ill"... Spain, Malta, Greece, Spain are doing much worse even...but holidays are essential...Luxemburg, Denmark, Finland may be "welcoming" tourists/variants from "sunshine countries"... NL medical workers are trying to limit damage in Suriname-a former part of the NL Kingdom...in a black scenario in the 6 hospitals that South American country has Dutch and Suriname HCW-ers are "working till they drop" to save people in their 20's, 30's...with not enough room at ICU you know the outcome for those that needed ICU but can not get there... I did see several stories of young children under 4 y/o on ICU in NL..."only the old and fat die" is another piece of .... myth...We may be moving towards a "global India-scenario" ...Again-more and more this pandemic is becoming a political problem. We have to get rid of populist leaders that promote "freedom without responsibility", that work for Big Pharma, banks, fossil fuel companies, car/aircraft lobbies...NOT for you...destroying the planet for greed... US cases in latest trends going down -9%, deaths -30%...variants are increasing in the US...July 4 may proof itself to have been a mass spreading event...Global cases +3%, deaths -5% with 108 countries reporting an increase in cases. For deaths now 76 countries reporting increases...with underreporting as a norm. I have to repeat it-STOP THE SPREAD !!!! We are on a highway to a resistent variant able to infect people over and over again...with vaccines getting useless... -Flutrackers (limited) latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest activity; "Israel’s Health Ministry released data on Monday showing that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccine appears to largely prevent hospitalization and serious cases, but is significantly less effective against preventing the spread of the Delta variant of the coronavirus." DJ Again-the major news is the downward TREND ! Leaky vaccines at best buy time (and gets Big Pharma zillions of $/€)..it does make "cents" but limited sense..unless as part of a global strategy...Since "politics has fallen into the hands of populists forget about any serious strategy..." Maybe a strategy "killing the poor" genocide-agenda ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/914732-covid-19-variant-1-617-series-including-1-617-2-delta-1-617-1-kappa-and-ay-1-mutation-delta-plus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/914732-covid-19-variant-1-617-series-including-1-617-2-delta-1-617-1-kappa-and-ay-1-mutation-delta-plus?view=stream latest activity; Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and Minister of Health Nitzan Horowitz attend a press conference at a Maccabi vaccination center in Holon on June 29, 2021. DJ-Was this already at a press conference on june 29-became "news" july 5 ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918791-nyc-covid-19-cases-spike-on-staten-island-amid-vaccine-resistance[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918791-nyc-covid-19-cases-spike-on-staten-island-amid-vaccine-resistance ; NEW YORK - Dr. Theodore Strange, the chair of medicine at Staten Island University Hospital, is grasping a new reality he hoped he wouldn't have to face: a major spike in the COVID-19 positivity rate right now on Staten Island. DJ-Resistent is vaccines do not work, hesitance is people believing vaccines do not work...related but different ! (Same level as 100% increase is not the same as 100X..but 2x...). Terrible communications... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/south-america-aa/south-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918783-venezuela-applies-cuban-vaccines-while-who-calls-for-caution[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/south-america-aa/south-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918783-venezuela-applies-cuban-vaccines-while-who-calls-for-caution DJ If vaccines work they work ! Political agenda's made matters worse ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 latest-UK hospital cases +24,2%...1,953 this week-+380 UK daily average now 358 people getting into hospital. UK deaths +4,9%...128 this week, 119 last week -so far limited to 9 per day...BoJo wants to lift last England restrictions per july 19-against medical advice...DJ-With decrease in vaccine protection less NPI and possibly even more infections variants (Delta+) one should ask for BoJo/conservative party mental health status. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918777-malaysia-reports-highest-daily-number-of-covid-19-patients-in-icu-today[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918777-malaysia-reports-highest-daily-number-of-covid-19-patients-in-icu-today ; KUALA LUMPUR, July 5 — The Ministry of Health added 923 Covid-19 patients in the public healthcare system’s near-maxed out intensive care units (ICU) today, the highest recorded in a single day to date. DJ-Western embedded "media" paint a picture as if the pandemic almost was history...Lots of poorer countries (Malaysia is oil exporting-not that poor at all !) still have vaccinations/vaccines problems...ICU/Oxygen shortages...This pandemic is getting worse..not better ! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W8tWkT2BC0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W8tWkT2BC0 on vitamin D and hospital risk; Conclusions Vitamin D deficiency is associated with higher risk of COVID-19 hospitalisation. Widespread measurement of serum 25(OH)D and treating any unmasked insufficiency or deficiency through testing may reduce this risk We have clearly demonstrated that vitamin D insufficiency and deficiency exponentially increase the risk of the disease by a factor of 2.3 to 3.6, even after adjustments for age and sex. Vitamin D is anti-inflammatory, and it has been shown to modulate the immune system With its effect on macrophage function and innate immunity, vitamin D may alter the disease manifestations of COVID-19 Vitamin D supplementation should be an important consideration for deficient populations at risk DJ Since vitamins, Ivermectin "does not make cents" it is not promoted...eventhough it is effective. Dr.J.C. again showing great courage by this vitamin D story... He may not want to go into the present England BoJo insanity-lifting restrictions while variant cases are exploding...From the comments; It's no wonder that there is so much distrust in the official agenda when this type of info is available in the public domain, but seemingly ignored by those with a vested interest in the pandemic. People don't know what to believe when the "establishment" speaks. - Vitamin D + Ivermectin... that is a prophylactic combination that needs to be further researched, and be considered a go-to strategy for home care. Since I think there are some basic points in it now showing up [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY&t=16s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY&t=16s Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson talking with Dr. Geert van den Bossche on leaky vaccines; Dr Geert Vanden Bossche has two things; a very long career in industry vaccine development and a theory that these vaccines — as configured and rolled-out — represent a gigantic mistake. One that will cause immense harm in the future. Is he right? Is he wrong? We don’t know, but his ideas deserve to be heartily debated and discussed, not censored and shut down. DJ-I googled "has bojo gone mad ?" and yes [url]https://unitedinbrittany.com/topic/has-boris-gone-mad/[/url] or https://unitedinbrittany.com/topic/has-boris-gone-mad/ I am not the only one with that question ! From the link; Many of you know that I do not get myself involved in political discussions but was just open mouthed hearing that Boris is soon to be lifting the wearing of masks whilst the daily number of covid cases is 27000 ( yes I did say 27000 ) !! No masks and letting as many people meet up indoors without them just sounds like the kiss of death to sooooo many people to me. As for packing people into concerts or sports matches without masks, where is the sense in that !!!! To put this in perspective, Macron was waiting to see if the daily doses dropped below 7000 before considering dropping out of lockdown !! I know that the vaccine is doing a great job, but surely this is going to be responsible for a lot more people dying and suffering !! I have found Bojo to be a complete imbecile all the way through this but really he is going from strength to strength in his levels of idiocy and disrespect so that he can rebuild the economy. I think so anyway ! I have not heard about Scotland,but both Ireland and Wales have said that they will not be backing away from the current precautions for the time being I am happy to say . Sorry for this post and I shall return to love and light immediately. Love and light to all Jamie xx DJ-So maybe the answer should be BoJo was mad all the time-it is just showing more...A comment-basicly we have the same problem in NL; The scruffy numpty is only focused on popularity. everything he says is based on what he thinks or his Cummingsfolk or Mrs tell him will increase his popularity and all the thick B/S buying morons in Enhland will hail him as the saviour. In a few weeks time they will be back to square minus more than one! More will die but he will claim to be the one who tried! -Music-Still Crazy After All These Years...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifb9pMolZAQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifb9pMolZAQ a good simple cover by Josh Turner (other hotel guests asked if things are okay...)
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According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ yesterday over 4 million deaths have been officially reported (equaling about 0.05% of the total world population). Given vast under testing, and several countries clearly under-reporting, the real death rate could be closer to 0.5%, which is actually less than Peru is reporting (currently 0.5779%). As this pandemic is not over, these numbers will rise. |
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EdwinSm-translating that to "real numbers"-0,5% of global population of 8 billion is 40 million... When you look at Spanish Flu numbers-lowest 20 million-highest in between 50 and 100 million-what was 2 to 5% of the 1918/19 global population-one could diversify several numbers; virus-tested deaths, excess deaths, pandemic deaths... For this pandemic the "virus tested deaths" did go over the 4 million. "Pandemic deaths" would be those who died but would be alive if there was no pandemic...basicly for medical reasons. Excess deaths would include an even larger number... It took all of 2020 to get to 2 million deaths, only around half of 2021 to get to 4 million tested/reported official deaths...with new variants and decreasing-leaky-vaccines, insane leaders/in many countries not enough NPI or vaccines to even limit the damage can we double the 4 million to 8 million by early 2022 ? Tourism, Sports (Euro 2020, Olympics-TourdeFrance other sponsor activities) Airtravel "the economy" is "being saved"... At best half choices create the worst kind of scenario's... In the past pandemics/illness did kill up to 90% of the "Indians" when Spain moved into the AmericaΕ 1500-1650. Some plagues in some regions killing the 100%...Of course today also a lot of combination of factors; climate collapse, wars, logistic problems, will mix with this pandemic. It may be very welcome if the present pandemic-at the end-"only" killed just 1% of the global population...But the "trends" are in the wrong direction. Variants keep showing up and can spread. If Covid19 is not yet widespread in non-human hosts it soon may be... I do not want to be pessimistic-but realistic. Wishfull thinking, "summer will save us" is making matters worse. Basicly "Stop The Spread" makes most sense to me...reorganizing global society to "stop the spread" still is a major job-you need food/water-so you need an economy... We-as humans-made so much progress-we may be able to find/fight ourselves out of this crisis... |
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DJ, -Statistics can be misleading or misunderstood. Undercurrents may show relative decrease while they still may be increasing... In the US now also the Delta variant is more then 50% of cases. Say there are at the start 1.000 cases-200 of them Delta, 1 Kappa, 1 Lambda...(so Delta is 20%, Lambda and Kappa are 0,1% ). Step 2-Delta goes to 400 cases maybe as fast as in 3-4 days, other variants (Alfa, Gamma, Beta) decrease by 200, Lambda and Kappa double as well-total still 1000 cases-in % Delta now 40%, Kappa/Lambda double to 0,2%. Step 3-Delta explodes further in another 3 to 4 days say to 900 cases, other variants stick around 600 cases-then Delta is 60% of cases. Lambda/Kappa grow to 3 cases each...would still be 0,2%... One point I do like to make that when a variant does NOT go down while another variant becomes dominant it could indicate that that variant may also have "some potential"...Say there is a footballmatch-a stadium with 60,000 people...and 5 of them would-just ad random-all have the Lambda or Kappa variant...developments could change. (Yesterday London/Wembly-UK Spain-Portugal...Delta variant widespread-match very likely will be a super spreader event...) In practice most of the countries have very limited sequencing...so hardly an idea of the variants that are spreading. One problem in that is one may miss a certain variant increasing in a region...In some US states (Kansas, Iowa, Missouri ) the Delta variant is over 80% of cases by now already. This means in some other US states it may be still under 50%... Here in NL over 50% of cases is in young and unvaccinated age groups 15-25 y/o...the idea/illusion is "they will not get very ill". Other countries may give a different picture-Dutch CDC models rule in NL...Those models are made by very good experts-but can you "model reality"? In complex weather situations-tornado's, thunderstorms-weather specialists fall back to "now-casting" not forcasting...monitoring developments in real time to give the best warnings they can give to the right region... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global cases +5%, deaths -2% but going up high speed ! Some countries-Spain cases +161%, deaths +12%, Greece cases +153% deaths -27% (still), Malta cases up +148%-deaths 0. NL already made it to #25 for new cases, +105% deaths still -13%...of course "politicians based their decission on experts"..."citizens do not take their responsibility" etc...terrible leaders cause terrible results... In Africa cases +21%, deaths +34%...in countries we keep poor healthcare already was in a permanent crisis... Vaccine-"apartheid", restarting virus/variantspread via international travel is criminal-genocide... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Global new cases still "only" 430,000+ with deaths 8,196...both will go up...UK almost 29,000 new cases, 37 deaths on july 6. Weekly trend +50% cases, +20% deaths (most of them from Delta variant "causing hay fever like symptoms"...). Brazil 62,500 new cases-1,787 deaths-bolsonaro/CIA full swing genocide...The over 527,000 reported deaths only a shadow of the real number... Both wikipedia and [url]https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/[/url] or https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/ (a.o.) may be helpfull in keeping an eye on undercurrents... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/910938-spain-detects-american-minks-with-coronavirus-march-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/910938-spain-detects-american-minks-with-coronavirus-march-2021?view=stream DJ-Another report of detection of SARS-2 in minks in Spain. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021 DJ 15 new Covid cases in Yunnan-community spread. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan Yunnan bordering India, Laos, Vietnam...in 2017 miners did proberbly catch a corona viral infection from collecting bat droppings used as fuel in this region. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918868-cidrap-who-advises-2-monoclonal-antibodies-for-severe-covid[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918868-cidrap-who-advises-2-monoclonal-antibodies-for-severe-covid DJ-Better treatment(s) can limit damage... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918867-cidrap-states-report-increase-in-covid-19-cases-over-holiday[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918867-cidrap-states-report-increase-in-covid-19-cases-over-holiday ; Half of all US states reported significant increases in COVID-19 cases over the long Fourth of July weekend in a surge of virus activity caused by the highly transmissible Delta variant. DJ-Vaccines do make a difference ! (So if you can get vaccinated !) Allthough that difference is limited-buying time...If you use that time for partying it is time wasted...Summer weather may see a decrease of cases, summer travel may more then undo that decrease...importing all kind of variants ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918863-cidrap-covid-19-scan-equity-in-covid-vaccine-distribution-long-covid-19-after-1-year[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918863-cidrap-covid-19-scan-equity-in-covid-vaccine-distribution-long-covid-19-after-1-year ; Only 20 US state and District of Columbia COVID-19 vaccination plans included mention of a health equity committee, and only 8 specifically mentioned including minority group representatives, according to a JAMA Network Open research letter late last week. - Long COVID symptoms can persist for at least 1 year after acute infection, significantly reducing quality of life, according to a study yesterday in Clinical Infectious Diseases. The researchers add that lingering neurocognitive symptoms may include difficulty concentrating and finding words. DJ-Excluding minorities makes this pandemic harder to control. In most countries poor people see much less testing, healthcare-in part that is why this pandemic is still ongoing. Long Covid is not well defined...In NL almost 1,7 million people-10% of the population almost-did test positive. Some claims put the number of long covid patients in NL at over 100,000. In some definitions "being tired after testing positive longer then 4 weeks" is seen as long covid. At the other end of the spectrum may be patients that are hardly able to get out of their bed. Breathing problems, confusion-followed by depression/mourning when there is no improvement or little support... Here in NL we do have quite a lot of chronic Q-fever cases, Lyme disease. ME-CFR cases...some are treated as "mental cases", do not get government support because "they will recover by working"...others end up in all kind of social security situations/fights or depend on a partners income... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918858-warning-over-children-as-indonesia-suffers-its-worst-covid-outbreak[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918858-warning-over-children-as-indonesia-suffers-its-worst-covid-outbreak ; Dr Aman Pulungan, the head of Indonesia’s paediatric society, said there was a misconception children were not affected by Covid, yet cases were rising rapidly among minors. The number of weekly infections recorded among under-18s had doubled in less than one month, he said. Between 28 June and 4 July, 11,872 cases were found among children – an increase from 7,329 c the previous week, and 5,255 the week before. DJ-I hate this ! Children did not cause this problem...often even may not be able to get tested "because they will not get very ill"...This should be a warning-again-also for "rich countries"-Delta (and other) variants will harm children ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/918857-the-lambda-c-37-covid-19-variant-what-do-we-know-about-it[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/918857-the-lambda-c-37-covid-19-variant-what-do-we-know-about-it ; A recently designated COVID-19 variant of interest by the World Health Organization is coming under scrutiny as more cases are being detected in multiple countries, and amid concerns that it carries mutations that could potentially make it more resistant to neutralizing antibodies. DJ-The Lambda, Kappa-more difficult Delta+ variants, and newer variants only can be detected in time by increased sequencing. STOP THE SPREAD ! Is stopping these variants ! The more variants can spread & mix-also in vaccinated people-the worse the outcome ! Pandemics in history did show to be able to end empires, civilizations...do we want to repeat that part of history ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest activities ; There is quite a lot going on in this post and a few missing bits of key data. How old are they, when was she vaccinated and how good is the vaccine uptake in their area? DJ-In part also discussion on Israeli claims of decreased protection by Pfizer vaccine...how good was testing ? Why the UK does not show-yet-the same results ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918855-texas-church-s-summer-camp-ends-with-125-kids-testing-positive-for-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/social-distancing-what-does-that-mean/918855-texas-church-s-summer-camp-ends-with-125-kids-testing-positive-for-covid-19 ; More than a hundred students and adults tested positive for COVID-19 after returning home from a Texas church's summer camp last month. DJ We did see several mass-spread events in NL last week. Often 25 to 30% of people getting infected. One question then is did more then one person start the spread ? (In NL young people were allowed to party directly after vaccination...so no two weeks to build immunity...also testing-for-entry sometimes was done by owners of the bar that needed as much guests as they could take...). [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 -latest DJ UK reporting hospital cases going up 29,1%, deaths up with 20,3%, cases up 49,0%...UK is one of the best vaccinated countries ! So less vaccinated countries should go for more NPI-lockdown-and increase vaccinations ! (And they are not doing that !) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918842-tunisia-hospitals-struggle-with-covid-tsunami[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918842-tunisia-hospitals-struggle-with-covid-tsunami ; Tunisian hospitals are battling to keep operating as the number of people dying of COVID-19 spikes and bodies are left in rooms because mortuaries are running at full capacity. DJ-If you had any illusion about "pandemic is over"...please wake up it may be getting worse ! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwn3CML0DQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwn3CML0DQ ;DJ-UK going for "herd immunity strategy" (DJ=insane-will cause even worse variants !); UK, 100,000 cases per day possible Health Secretary Sajid Javid makes sense to treat people differently Self-isolation changes in England Changes to school bubble system Prime Minister, 19th July is on (Scotland, 9th August) 19 July, cases at least double so around 50,000 new cases a day As we ease and go into the summer we expect case numbers to rise significantly and they could go as high as 100,000 Vaccines and treatments are far better than what we had when this pandemic began UK was now entering uncharted territory Prof Neil Ferguson, Imperial College UK potential, 150,000 to 200,000 a day still cause some pressure to the health system slight gamble justifiable I'm reasonably optimistic The ratio which we saw in the past between case numbers and deaths has been reduced by more like eight to 10-fold Worst-case scenario there may need to be a course correction later DJ-I totaly disagree with Dr.J.C. it is NOT save ! Will result in load of variants-may spread to non human hosts ! Music Queen-Love Of My Life/lyrics [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73WhWTawCE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73WhWTawCE just good music ! |
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DJ, [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQH4Kme9mQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQH4Kme9mQ ZOE/Prof.Dr (I believe) Tim Spector on UK numbers-"Will "freedom" condemn 1000/day to long covid?"...Yesterday another expert Dr. John Campbell reacted also on Bojo/UK "reopening" the UK per july 19...They both seem to think it is an acceptable idea...we "have to accept Covid to be around"... I totally disagree-reading comments below the video's-from other non-experts-I am not alone in this. -Long Covid described as having symptoms for 12 weeks+ would "only" hurt 2% of cases-expected to get for the UK to 50,000 per day july 19. But may go to 200,000 per day in august-so translating into 4,000 long covid cases per day for the UK by then... DJ-Lots of long covid cases last MUCH longer then 12 weeks ! Quite a lot of them over a year ! If you look at ME/CFS, Lyme disease, chronic Q-fever it may be a life long burden. So in my opinion NO ! NO WAY ! You can NOT get 1,000+ people PER DAY put in life long health issues !!!!! IT IS INSANE !!! -Going for "natural herd immunity" by "returning to freedom" increasing cases to tens of thousends for the UK-PER DAY-WILL increase hospital cases/deaths ! Most of the suffering is in poor area's...long covid patients "hardly are a problem because they hardly get the care they need" ! "Freedom" (for holidays, party's, festivals ?) is NOT worth such a high price ! Some compare the two million people killed in global traffic per year-"we" accept that. So why not "accept" Covid ? DJ-I think 2 million people killed in global traffic shows how much power fossil fuel/car makers lobbies have in politics ! Air polution killing (tens of) millions more...totally unacceptable ! Another form of "normal insanity" ! -Dr. Tim Spector ends his video with the increase of the Lambda/Peru variant. How you are able to stop further/new variants when you go for this form of "freedom" *without any responsibility) ? Basicly you put the door open to all kind of variants, further spread-most likely also in non human hosts...and for what ? -Is there an alternative ? YES-there is ! Reform society ! Decrease global travel, meat/animal virus production ! What is wrong with that ? Most people do not need to see their co-workers every working day in person ! Small scale local partying can be fun ! It is not "black or white" but "fifty shades of gray" ! "Saving the economy", "freedom" in BoJo/UK governments idea is giving in-again-to fossil fuel industry, air/car-industry, entertainment bussines...big companies. Putting-again-the price at the poorer side of society-allready dealing with climate collapse, bad housing, less healthcare, education etc... Ignoring more severe cases in children infected with new variants "see they can go to school" is NOT in the interest of those children ! Other governments will be watching UK developments...may-for now-think twice in following that road. The UK has a high percentage (70% of all of its population ?) fully vaccinated-and yet cases explode ! The Israeli numbers on less protection by vaccines have not showed up yet in UK studies-maybe because there are no studies on it ? Indications are that vaccine protection may not be as good as one may have hoped for. May have decreased after some months-and by then new variants may get their chance. Going for "natural immunity" in a high level vaccinated population is begging for resistent variants... DJ-My conclusion-BoJo Go ! It is time the UK gets a government that is willing to deal with public health in interest of the UK population-not in the interest of big industry ! This pandemic-again-underlines the major problem may not be the pandemic but a ruling class making choises for a rich elite against public interests ! This pandemic could and should have been avoided by stopping international air travel january 2020-most western countries did at that time know there was a problem in China...but those western countries went for airline "protection" opening the door for this pandemic ! The Delta variant in India was very clear-and yet again airtravel kept on going...NOT in your interest ! We need politicians working for "the people" not the 0,1% ! Music; Cliff Richard-Power To All Our Friends !-1973 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOwf78KKmY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOwf78KKmY |
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DJ, -[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/arctic-sea-ice-disappearing-fast.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/arctic-sea-ice-disappearing-fast.html I did just read some news of a fast study on the US/Canada pacifix extreme heat 50C...scientist (a.o. from NL) conclude this extreme heat is "climate change related" showing "temperatures going up faster then expected-DJ-by them". DJ The IPCC has been downplaying and frustrating studies on "climate change" for decades for political goals. All that is left is trying to go for damage control-but even here politics have a different agenda... What does the above has to do with this pandemic ? "Experts" have been downplaying pandemic risks for political, economical reasons as well. Climate "change" has been killing hundreds of thousends per year. The present Covid pandemic is already killing millions per year. Traffic, air polution, cancer and other-economy related diseases-are killing tens of millions per year when one puts together the statistics...The "normal" basicly is very "abnormal", has been unacceptable for any decent human being... Slave labour has never been such a big problem as it is at present. Only it now is "dressed different". People in life-long debts working long hours without any decent living conditions...from India to the Qatar 2022 soccer W.C. soccer/football stadiums. As "sex worker" in almost all countries, women being exploited to "produce babies for adoption" and then their organs end up for transplantation...Drug cartels using refugees to transport drugs-if they refuse they are dead... Is this "civilization 2021"? Do we need "leaders" who produce/allow these crimes ? Pandemics in the past could kill up to 100% in some regions...do we need to find out it can still do so in this time ? -Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Global cases going up 9%-deaths still -2% worldwide-with growing concern about a.o. the Lambda variant-still not stopping reopenings in the UK... The UK itself "very succesfull in getting natural herd immunity" cases up +44%, deaths up +42%...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the UK now already at #4 in highest daily new cases with over 32,500+ new cases yesterday..deaths +33 "hay fever symptoms"... Worldwide cases "only" at almost 457,000 new cases, 8,424 deaths...for july 7. Some indications 2% of infected develop long covid... I will put at new variants/latest news [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant#Statistics . Delta+ variant statistics may be harder to get. In daily cases US at #11, NL #23... Weekly trends in % c=cases/d=deaths-as indication UK c=+44%/d=+42% NL c=+179% (!!!!) d=+36% US c=+4%/d=-22% Israel c=+68%/d=+100% (=1 death so very limited !) Vietnam c=+113%/d=+91% (11 deaths to 21 deaths) Indonesia c=+39%/d=+52% Portugal c=+47%/d=+58% Spain c=148%/d=-26% Some nordic countries; Denmark c=114%/d=+33% Finland c=+14%/d=25% Sweden c=-40%/d=-67% Norway c=-8%/d=0% (2 deaths last week and this week) DJ-My impression Delta variant not yet all over Europe. If Delta variant gets more widespread also deaths increase. -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/918857-the-lambda-c-37-covid-19-variant-what-do-we-know-about-it[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/918857-the-lambda-c-37-covid-19-variant-what-do-we-know-about-it ; Another COVID-19 variant that is being closely monitored by scientists has arrived in Canada. According to the Toronto Star, the Public Health Agency of Canada says it’s aware of 11 cases of the “Lambda” variant in this country. - Researchers have detected a variant of coronavirus, first found in South America, in wastewater in southern Nevada, suggesting it is spreading in the community. - A recently designated COVID-19 variant of interest by the World Health Organization is coming under scrutiny as more cases are being detected in multiple countries, and amid concerns that it carries mutations that could potentially make it more resistant to neutralizing antibodies. DJ-Delta variant cases are increasing pushing away the Alfa/UK variant. If Lambda also would be increasing it must be as strong/infectious as the Delta variant... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918932-hospital-in-springfield-missouri-runs-out-of-ventilators-as-covid-cases-ravage-the-area[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/918932-hospital-in-springfield-missouri-runs-out-of-ventilators-as-covid-cases-ravage-the-area ; A hospital in Springfield, Missouri, ran out of ventilators for its patients over the Fourth of July weekend as the area, right in the middle of a COVID-19 hot spot, deals with a rise in cases. DJ-Another indication this pandemic is worsening again-even with high vaccinations...(maybe not in Missouri..) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918938-effectiveness-of-an-inactivated-sars-cov-2-vaccine-in-chile[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918938-effectiveness-of-an-inactivated-sars-cov-2-vaccine-in-chile ; Among persons who were fully immunized, the adjusted vaccine effectiveness was 65.9% (95% confidence interval [CI], 65.2 to 66.6) for the prevention of Covid-19 and 87.5% (95% CI, 86.7 to 88.2) for the prevention of hospitalization, 90.3% (95% CI, 89.1 to 91.4) for the prevention of ICU admission, and 86.3% (95% CI, 84.5 to 87.9) for the prevention of Covid-19–related death. DJ-[url]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107715?query=featured_home[/url] or https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107715?query=featured_home link to get the basic news. Chile had to deal with-very likely-the P1 variant at the time-so protection would be about the same other vaccines likely would offer. (In crease in cases may be in the unvaccinated allthough Chile was in the top 10 for vaccinations.) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918937-infection-and-vaccine-induced-neutralizing-antibody-responses-to-the-sars-cov-2-b-1-617-variants[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918937-infection-and-vaccine-induced-neutralizing-antibody-responses-to-the-sars-cov-2-b-1-617-variants ;-DJ again you have to read the NEJM link to get the news; A second wave of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections in India is leading to the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants. The B.1.617.1 (or kappa) and B.1.617.2 (or delta) variants were first identified in India and have rapidly spread to several countries throughout the world. These variants contain mutations within the spike protein located in antigenic sites recognized by antibodies with potent neutralizing activity. - Our results show that the B.1.617.1 variant was 6.8 times less susceptible, and the B.1.617.2 variant was 2.9 times less susceptible, to neutralization by serum from persons who had recovered from Covid-19 and from vaccinated persons than was the WA1/2020 variant. Despite this finding, a majority of the convalescent serum samples (79% [19 of 24 samples] against B.1.617.1 and 96% [23 of 24 samples] against B.1.617.2) and all serum samples from vaccinated persons still had detectable neutralizing activity above the threshold of detection against both variants through 3 months after infection or after the second dose of vaccine. Thus, protective immunity conferred by the mRNA vaccines is most likely retained against the B.1.617.1 and B.1.617.2 variants. DJ-We soon will see how good mass vaccination can limit Delta, Delta+, Lambda, Kappa variants...A lab study may give different outcomes then reality. Also in early stages vaccinations may offer better protection then when the variants get much more widespread...Basicly the picture is NOT GOOD AT ALL ! Vaccinations were supposed to stop most of the variants spreading ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918936-surge-in-tokyo-s-covid-19-cases-likely-means-new-state-of-emergency-through-olympics[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918936-surge-in-tokyo-s-covid-19-cases-likely-means-new-state-of-emergency-through-olympics DJ-Euro 2020 London/UK (semi) finals=3 times 60,000 supporters in a Wembly stadium...with variants increasing and the UK government out of control...Going on with the Tokyo olympics, World Cup 2022 in Qatar is insane... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918935-breakthrough-sars-cov-2-infections-in-prison-after-vaccination[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918935-breakthrough-sars-cov-2-infections-in-prison-after-vaccination ;The coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) pandemic has uniquely affected prisons and jails across the country. The incidence of Covid-19 among incarcerated persons is nearly six times that among nonincarcerated community members.1 The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Academy of Medicine, and the American Medical Association have recommended prioritization of prison and jail populations for deployment of Covid-19 vaccines, but vaccine rollout has varied across these settings,2 and few studies have been conducted on the effectiveness of vaccination efforts in congregate housing. Most of such studies have been performed in skilled nursing facilities, where vaccine effectiveness has been measured at 63 to 64% DJ-direct link=[url]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108479?query=featured_home#[/url] or https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108479?query=featured_home# ; In this analysis, we found that SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections were identified only rarely after vaccination in a carceral setting in Rhode Island. Thus, vaccination of staff members and incarcerated persons, along with a policy of expanded decarceration,5 appeared to be effective in preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. DJ Limited vaccine escape would be very welcome news-only real life is not controlled enviroment like a prison... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918934-two-nhs-hospitals-declare-code-black-alert-as-covid-cases-soar-and-staff-isolate[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918934-two-nhs-hospitals-declare-code-black-alert-as-covid-cases-soar-and-staff-isolate ; Two hospitals in Scotland have declared Code black status due to Covid-19 pressures. DJ "hay fever like symptoms".... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918933-mass-infection-is-not-an-option-we-must-do-more-to-protect-our-young[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/918933-mass-infection-is-not-an-option-we-must-do-more-to-protect-our-young ; As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines have “broken the link between infection and mortality”.1 On July 19, 2021—branded as Freedom Day—almost all restrictions are set to end. We believe this decision is dangerous and premature. DJ-Let me be very clear-opening up society with variants exploding is genocide. If the BoJo government decides that way they belong for the I.C.C. (International Criminal Court) ! It endangers not only the UK but could make vaccines much less effective/useless-in a matter of a few months ! It would lead to an explosion of variants mixing-creating new variants...completely insane !!! see also; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 ; latest UK statistics deaths +42,5 %, hospital case up + 44,7%...Does BoJo want to turn the UK into an India-crisis ? Genocide ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918924-cidrap-who-world-at-perilous-point-in-pandemic[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/918924-cidrap-who-world-at-perilous-point-in-pandemic ; With the Delta (B1617.2) variant outpacing COVID-19 vaccination in many countries, the world is at a perilous point in the pandemic, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said today. DJ-One could claim Delta variant by now likely spread all over the globe. If countries did not yet report it most likely it will be due to lack of testing/sequencing...So no cases reported is NOT a "ray of hope" just no testing... -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxc_CmeYxo&t=1s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxc_CmeYxo&t=1s On long Covid/UK reopenings and decrease of US vaccinations. Lots of info/links under the video. Maybe one major point for the US; less then 50% fully vaccinated and (DJ several) variants increasing...For the UK "reopening"will result in "increase" (=explosion) of long covid cases...DJ-Deaths are still limited in the UK but tend to go up as well...Vaccine protection may be serious overestimated... -Some music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5UiDzY1UUU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5UiDzY1UUU Love Affair - 1968 - (The sun always shines down in my) Rainbow Valley ... [url]https://www.ventusky.com/?p=65;-25;2&l=temperature-2m&t=20210712/2100[/url] or https://www.ventusky.com/?p=65;-25;2&l=temperature-2m&t=20210712/2100 to follow Elsa on its way to Greenland...absurd temperatures... |
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EdwinSm, I could even add a "Shades of Grey"video ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SubpzqswJRE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SubpzqswJRE ; Shades Of Grey by Monkees ; When the world and I were young, just yesterday Life was such a simple game a child could play It was easy then to tell right from wrong Easy then to tell weak from strong When a man should stand and fight Or just go along But today, there is no day or night Today, there is no dark or light Today, there is no black or white Only shades of gray I remember when the answer seemed so clear We had never lived with doubt, or tasted fear It was easy then to tell truth from lies Selling out from compromise Who to love and who to hate The foolish from the wise But today, there is no day or night Today, there is no dark or light Today, there is no black or white Only shades of gray It was easy then to know what was fair When to keep and when to share How much to protect your heart And how much to care But today, there is no day or night Today, there is no dark or light Today, there is no black or white Only shades of gray Only shades of gray... |
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I think it is time to remake society. I believe nature and Gaia have been trying to tell us that, at first by whispering, but now their calls are becoming more strident. And mankind, for all its virtues, has many flaws. Perhaps the most glaring is the ability to willfully blind and deafen himself. And to suck at playing the long game. |
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Gaia [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooFJ2LTgnc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooFJ2LTgnc ... Denial is the first phase in how people deal with a crisis...mourning the fifth phase... [url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/coronavirus-deaths-reported-in-israel-for-first-time-in-over-2-weeks/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/coronavirus-deaths-reported-in-israel-for-first-time-in-over-2-weeks/ Do people die from Covid or complications related to Covid ? [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/08/nearly-5500-new-coronavirus-infections-including-730-amsterdam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/08/nearly-5500-new-coronavirus-infections-including-730-amsterdam and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/08/eu-travel-advice-netherlands-may-disappointing-health-min-warns[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/08/eu-travel-advice-netherlands-may-disappointing-health-min-warns DJ Some social media stories; NL cases going up that fast we could be at 10,000 cases july 10-over 20,000 july 12...even our right wing "government" may have to react... In Amsterdam "all 15-24 y/o would be infected or isolated"...Testing is becoming a problem again... Since 1% of the (unvaccinated) new cases may need hospital care-hospitals being exhausted, do not know how to deal with yet another outbreak due to bad government... |
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Denial is the first phase in how people deal with a crisis...mourning the fifth phase... That is so true, but how do you get to mourning if you won't move out of denial? Good song/video, Josh, I appreciate you sharing that! |
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DJ, "Herd stupidity in a pandemic form"...good there is music to compensate...Denial is the best way to get from a limited crisis to an ever lasting out of control crisis. We did see this with "climate change"...again this pandemic is showing "wishfull thinking" in stead of facts is leading the way "we" deal with it... -Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Global cases up 10%, deaths now -0,3% in a weekly trend. Soon we will be seeing another increase in deaths worldwide... Some regions; Europe cases +40%, deaths +2%. North America cases +17%, deaths -10%. Asia cases up +14%, deaths +7%. Africa cases +18%, deaths +20%. Oceania cases up +88%, deaths up +173% (!!!!!-11 deaths last week-30 deaths this week). In all of this regions the Delta variant is dominant or on its way to get there... South America may still have Brazil, Peru, UK variants mix...cases -13%, deaths -9% a different picture. A few good/top vaccination countries; c=cases/d=deaths/lw=last week/tw=this week UK c+36%/d+53% clw 143,339 ctw 195,284 dlw 114 dtw 174 Israel c+78%/d+400% clw 1,637 ctw 2,922 dlw 0 dtw 4 US c+15%/d-17% clw 97,117 ctw 111,950 dlw 1,764 dtw 1,456 My impression is UK may be a bit further in the Delta variant spread (maybe Delta + ???). Israel may be better in controling/monitoring-keeping severe cases lower. Israel-as far as I know-had most Pfizer vaccines, UK had a mix-also Astra Zeneca/single shot strategy and lower level of (fully) vaccinated people. The US is just starting to see an increase of variants-with a lot of them Delta. For the US other variants-Lambda ?-may provide complications. The US has lower level of mix of vaccinations-still a lot of Pfizer/Moderna..some J&J...could be those vaccins offer better protection. But in some parts of the US vaccination did only reach 20% of the population. Both the US and UK already see some hospitals in crisis. Maybe the US could have more people/room for self isolation. (You do not need a government to tell you you have to wear a mask...It would be wise if all governments still would stick to masks/social distance etc...). The above three countries could give a hint of what other countries may expect. France, Germany still have a lot of restrictions. Portugal, Spain needed tourists...but not variants. In real numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for july 8; UK 35 deaths-putting it on #30 in the global list-cases 32,551 for cases #4 US 261 deaths=# 8, 19,347 cases=# 9 Israel 3 deaths #80, 611 cases =# 71 Vaccines may prevent 90-95% for severe illness/ICU but much less for virus spread. If against the Delta variant protection would be 90% for more severe problems still 10% would see those problems...And if you have 50,000 cases per day-5,000 severe/hospital cases would mean hospitalcare -again-under pressure... Given that even with 80% vaccination-90% protection per 1,000 people the outcome is 200 not vaccinated, 100 in the 10% vaccine-imperfection group-per 1,000 people 300 would be at risk...So you need restrictions if you want to avoid a hospital crisis ! STOP THE SPREAD !!!! Here in NL cases are exploding. Politics claiming "people do not follow the rules"..."reopening was not to early"...most of the Dutch see it different...We could be up to 10,000 new cases on july 10-exploding further to 20,000 cases only two days later...The government now has to turn back reopenings that were not even two weeks old... My view on the NL situation is that the Delta variant was underestimated. With an R0 of 6 to 8 without restrictions it had to explode... Other under currents need better monitoring-sequencing-worldwide. We simply still do not know much on the Delta+ variant-supposed to be spreading also a lot outside India. The Lambda/Peru variant seem to be going down fast in South America-but could be increasing in other regions...Other variants, Kappa, yet unknown variants need to be detected in time... We have to get our society more pandemic proof-that should not limit the economy that much. It is a false paradox to claim we have to make a choice between public health and economy... On the other hand; do we have to make partying, holidaytravel, amusementparks top priority ? Or could we do without it for the duration ? Compensate the companies, use the staff in healthcare ? "Saving the economy" should not result in genocide ! Preventing hospital crash does not mean destruction of the economy...but we do need good government ! -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918980-six-vaccinated-countries-have-high-covid-infection-rates-five-of-them-rely-on-chinese-vaccines[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918980-six-vaccinated-countries-have-high-covid-infection-rates-five-of-them-rely-on-chinese-vaccines ; Weekly Covid cases, adjusted for population, have remained elevated in at least six of the world’s most inoculated countries — and five of those nations rely on vaccines from China. DJ-It would be more then welcome if a neutral organization (WHO ? Red Cross ? MSF ?) would monitor how vaccines deal with variants-also looking at gender, age, urban/rural setting. A cold war agenda is the last thing we need in a pandemic. A first thing needed is getting vaccines to where they are needed...and "we" are doing a very bad job in that... Why does not the World Bank or IMF pay for vaccines ? Why is vaccine production not under crisis/war laws ? You do not make profits out of a pandemic ! If the prices are that high out of greed-again greed is killing millions ! And governments should stop it ! [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing ; The #DeltaVariant is particularly 1 dose vaccine evasive. Only 18-30% with one dose, much lower than before. Two doses better much much weaker. Scotland found 79% two dose Pfizer efficacy for #DeltaVariant infection, while Israel found 64-70%. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest-DJ -UK numbers deaths up 52,6% last week, hospital cases up 51,5%...174 UK deaths in a week, 2,661 hospital cases..."more then just hay fever like symptoms"! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918969-uk-react-1-study-findings-show-covid-19-infection-rates-three-times-lower-for-double-vaccinated-people[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918969-uk-react-1-study-findings-show-covid-19-infection-rates-three-times-lower-for-double-vaccinated-people ;
DJ-Three times lower ? Please help me out ? Is vaccination not supposed to offer much more protection ? I have to rethink this ? What are they saying ? An unvaccinated person has three times more chance to get infected then a vaccinated person ????? I did not put Flutrackers links stating Delta-cases going up in US, Asia...we know ! Also H5/H7-other diseases...we have to be aware of that-monitor much better ! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16PNx403DtM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16PNx403DtM Some of the items; In some US states 80%+ Delta virus Tim Spector ZOE Low numbers of Covid for several years (proberbly meaning to say 5+ years-long term problem) UK allready 700 persons per day (500 unvaccinated-200 vaccinated) moving into Long Covid...reopening will increase that number to 1,000 (DJ +) per day...In 2020 in the UK 180,000 people developed health issues lasting +12 weeks... Since isolation rules stay till mid august millions of people may have to go into self isolation after infected contacts. This will effect the economy. Dr.J.C. also pointing out Scotland will not follow BoJo's insanity per july 19 "reopening" ...leaving it up to the people to wear masks, social distance etc (and deal with endless discussions due to lack of leadership...) Very good video included from "Vlad" on different forms of long covid. If you have organ damage you may see life long problems. But ME/CFS experts warn lots of long-Covid cases may see ME-like chronic issues. The UK allready has 250,000 ME patients-that number may double...US over 1 million could explode to two million..In NL we have over 40,000 ME patients and politics/healthcare mistreating them as lazy people...Vlad asking Dr. J.C. to do more (info) on long covid/ME... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FwVljz83XY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FwVljz83XY Vlad Vexler YouTube channel... DJ-I imagine there will be much more legal steps against governments that allow thousends of their citizens to get chronicly ill each year. From air-polution to doing not enough to limit virus spread. Just like climate destruction is a crime against humanity and ecology this pandemic is a crime...NOT taking actions may be more criminal if the outcome makes a local Wuhan problem a global problem killing millions... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKfnYuJFGtw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKfnYuJFGtw DW on Covid-recovery in India. Also Delta+ may be starting another wave...but sequencing is a major problem. India vaccinating 4-to-5 million persons per day but with 1,393+ million population that is simply to slow... DJ-Long Covid is in many ways invisible-patients can not fight for themselves often...so "politics" is ignoring them, doctors do not know how to deal with them...You can count the deaths but long covid definition is unclear... -Music; The Flirtations-Little Darling (I Need You) 1971 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdy-_1NFTfg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdy-_1NFTfg (very, very, very 1971...!) |
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DJ, -The NL situation to start with. We had reopening june 26...yesterday we learned the R0 at that time-june 24-must have allready been at 1,37...So the increase of cases in the last week of +386% (!!!) fits in in the triangle; "virus-hosts-spread"... Several studies put the R0 of the Delta variant between 6 and 8-if there are no limits...We may have been seeing such kind of R0 in the 14-25 year old age group here in NL...because allmost all of the increases have been in that age group. Deaths went down last week in NL 40%...When you look at the UK-much better vaccinated-deaths up +43%...also hospital/ICU cases are allready in crisis in the UK. We-here in NL-will be in the UK scenario before the end of this month. It looks like in NL, like in the UK, "government" is going for "natural herd immunity". It would be good for the economy they claim/dream... The reasons why we did NOT go for "natural herd immunity" early 2020 did not change that much. Then-and now-going for herd immunity would result in a healthcare crash...extreme high mortality. Vaccinations make some difference but simply not enough both in level of protection and in time. Israel, Scotland report decrease of protection from Pfizer.. We do see how a "herd immunity strategy" works out in Brazil. Between 60,000 and 90,000 cases per day for months, over a 1,000 daily deaths per day-with a lot of unreported, untested cases/deaths to cover up the real genocide. A choice for "natural herd immunity" is criminal. Any government has a duty to do its best to protect its citizens against dangers... Allready we see poor, non western background minorities are hit much harder. "Let the virus do its thing" will make matters much worse... With restrictions/NPI and vaccinations we allready see an explosion of variants...if you drop the restrictions (and only vaccinate the rich-next step ?) mortality and chaos will explode. -The numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ; UK july 9 at #4 in new cases with 35,707 new cases. US allready at #5-cases still limited but will go up/explode 27,237 cases..NL is doing all it can to get in the top 10 with 6,926 cases still at #18... Top 3 Brazil 57,713 cases (realitively low daily number) at #1, India #2 with 42,648 reported/tested cases...both countries under reporting cases for political reasons. At #3 Indonesia with 38,124 cases...limited testing. Indonesia had a different vaccination choice-vaccinating first the most social active...vaccination is still very limited. Since most of the Indonesians live on Java-very densely populated-that vaccination strategy may have given some time. Time used to increase vaccinations-but vaccines are a problem in Indonesia... Deaths same top 3 #1 Brazil 1,433 deaths, #2 India 1,206, #3 Indonesia 873 deaths. At #4 for deaths is Russia with 726 deaths and serious problems in vaccinations. At #5 Colombia 576 deaths...Lambda variant ? At #6 South Africa 374 deaths-mix of variants. The US, Mexico, Argentina and Bangladesh make the rest of the top 10 for deaths...most of those deaths proberbly NOT from the Delta variant..the "Delta deaths" increase may be a few weeks from now. UK at #31 in this "deadlist"... Also a look at deaths per million...Brazil claiming 2,484 deaths per million of population (=0,25%). India dares to claim 292 deaths per million (=0,03%)...Indonesia has testing issues, did limit cases for most of the time now has 234 deaths per million (0,02%). Global average is 517,6 deaths per million (=0,05%)...but due to lack of reporting/testing the real number may be 10x higher ? In the Deaths per million list Peru at #1...5,799 per million=0,6% of its population died from Covid in this pandemic so far. At #2 is Hungary with 3,114, #3 is Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,962 both 0,3% of their population did die from Covid in these statistics so far... The US is reporting 1,881 deaths per million (=0,2%). New Jersey at 2,983 deaths per million, Hawaii 367 deaths per million... DJ-My impression is Covid19 is more deadly in urban area's...higher level of cases...better hospitals may not be enough to deal with the peaks of cases...Rural area's may-not allways-see lower number of cases...but also lower testing, lower care...So-for example in India-when there is a large scale outbreak in rural areaΕ lots of people die without proper testing...not showing up in (any) statistics...In lots of "poor" countries civil administration-births, deaths, marriages is "limited/not there" so even excess deaths will not be counting those deaths... Variant numbers-only of limited use for indications; [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Delta_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Delta_variant#Statistics 91 countries reporting over 108,000 cases depending on what list you use...UK over 108,000 per july 8/GISAID-list, US 7,227 but limited sequencing (if this number would be 5% of any real number the US also would allready be over 100,000 Delta variant cases..). [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics only has july 1 numbers...29 countries 2,184 detections...Chile 840, US 608, UK just 7... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant#Statistics july 7/GISAID US 295 cases, UK 517, Canada 266, Ireland 169, Australia 110, Germany 104... It is more than likely other, newer, variants are allready spreading just not showing up enough in statistics...It could take more then a month to find out such new variants started increasing. Sequencing takes 10/14 days...then putting together data, collecting data from several countries/organizations...We will be running behind the facts... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2 The Delta+ variant is seen as a "Variant Of Concern" in India, but only as a "Variant of Interest" by the WHO...could already be an undercurrent...India reporting now a decrease of cases -8% could still see an increase of some variants... End of part 1...long update, worsening pandemic... |
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DJ-Part 2, -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021-widespread-border-testing?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021-widespread-border-testing?view=stream latest activities; On July 9th, Yingjiang County, Dehong Prefecture, Yunnan Province issued a notice stating that nucleic acid tests for all employees will be carried out in Yingjiang County from July 10th to 12th. Yingjiang County is adjacent to Myanmar and is more than 100 kilometers away from Ruili City. - The epidemic situation in Yunnan has returned. DJ Yunnan is in the south of China bordering Laos, India...Myanmar...Also in 2017 Yunnan did see some limited SARS-like infections from people collecting bat-droppings used as fuel...Border trade could result in importing cases...Since natural immunity is limited and massive-1 billion+ vaccinations may be most in large urban area's it could be variant spread can get a problem in China. But maybe (I simply do not know) China allready went for large scal vaccinations in border area's... Allthough it could provide a false sense of safety-with risks of "over compensating for vaccine protection" another risk could be vaccinations allowing for a/mild symptomatic spread further into China...See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919051-china-covid1-19-test-positive-train-passenger-travels-through-large-station-personnel-will-be-held-accountable-for-concealing-reports-anhui-province-july-9-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919051-china-covid1-19-test-positive-train-passenger-travels-through-large-station-personnel-will-be-held-accountable-for-concealing-reports-anhui-province-july-9-2021 Less vaccine protection from Chinese vaccines could be-maybe-compensated by more vaccine booster jabs...China is reporting an increase of 53% in cases-still 0 deaths. From last week 117 cases to this week up to 179 cases...Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar all reporting over 100% increases... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/other-aa/919049-anaplasmosis-on-the-rise-in-warren-county-ny[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/other-aa/919049-anaplasmosis-on-the-rise-in-warren-county-ny ; Tickborne illness found in Warren County could be fatal if left untreated DJ-Long Covid, Lyme disease, ME/CFS, chronic Q-fever (etc.) all may show the same kind of long term/life long health issues...These chronic illnesses should be taken much more serious. "Let the virus do its thing"will result in tens of millions long Covid cases worldwide ! Allready is an-unrecognized-exploding global problem ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919044-covid-cuba-approves-emergency-use-of-own-abdala-vaccine[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919044-covid-cuba-approves-emergency-use-of-own-abdala-vaccine ; The Abdala vaccine is said to be highly effective after three doses DJ, Cuba also did work with Iran to get cheap, easy to use, effective vaccines. It may make a difference in "poor" countries...China and Russia are also the main vaccine producers/exporters for most of the "poor" countries...the "west" is good for promisses and exporting vaccines (Astra Zeneca) they do not longer use... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/919043-as-the-world-warms-mit-engineers-seeds-to-resist-drought[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/919043-as-the-world-warms-mit-engineers-seeds-to-resist-drought ; Climate change experts have been warning that, as the global temperature continues to rise, extreme weather eventssuch as droughts, storms and floods will become more frequent and severe. DJ; See also [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/arctic-sea-ice-disappearing-fast.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/07/arctic-sea-ice-disappearing-fast.html It is good food production can go on in dry conditions...desert countries may benefit. But we need to stop climate collapse and we are not doing that...only making matters worse.. There is a "green way" for making matters worse; more electronic cars, wind turbines, solar panels replacing fossil fuel cars, energy production...We need LESS mobility to deal with climate crisis not electric airplanes ! We need to do much more with much less energy-increase efficiency...and we-again-are not doing that ! In NL there is an increase of people on bikes getting killed in traffic. Due to this pandemic public transport use dropped, car use increased. A good quality cyclepath/bikepath may costs up to 1 million € per kilometer+ in urban area's...Our right wing government rather spent that money on even more cars... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919042-russia-reports-highest-daily-covid-19-case-rise-since-early-january[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919042-russia-reports-highest-daily-covid-19-case-rise-since-early-january ; MOSCOW -- Russia reported 25,766 new COVID-19 cases on Friday, the most confirmed in a single day since Jan. 2, as authorities struggled to suppress a surge in infections blamed on the more contagious Delta variant. DJ Both in NPI and vaccinations Russia is doing very poor...there will be a price for that. Cases last week +13%, deaths +10%... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919041-coronavirus-in-illinois-2-945-new-covid-cases-53-deaths-120k-vaccinations-over-past-week[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919041-coronavirus-in-illinois-2-945-new-covid-cases-53-deaths-120k-vaccinations-over-past-week ; Health officials in Illinois reported 2,945 new confirmed and probable cases of coronavirus since last Friday, along with 53 additional deaths and more than 120,000 new vaccine doses administered. DJ Some parts of the US allready in serious problems while variants still have to explode in the US... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919038-cidrap-cdc-fda-contradict-pfizer-on-covid-19-vaccine-booster[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919038-cidrap-cdc-fda-contradict-pfizer-on-covid-19-vaccine-booster ; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) late yesterday contradicted vaccine makers Pfizer-BioNTech on their assertion that people who received the two-dose mRNA vaccine will likely need a third booster dose of vaccine within 6 to 12 months of initial administration.
DJ-Allthough Pfizer has a commercial interest in selling more vaccines-they rather claim for now rwo vaccines would offer good protection. With Pfizer claiming a third vaccine is needed as a booster and Israel, Scotland claiming Pfizer-vaccine protections is decreasing (fast...) against the Delta variant (and Delta+, other variants on their way) my impression is booster vaccines may become urgent in Europe, North America if we "would like to try to limit new variants..."...CDC/FDA in crisis/damage control...Vaccines do matter-but in combination with NPI they are able to matter "to some level"...The illusion/idea of "vaccinating for freedom" did not survive the Delta-variant... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919037-cidrap-africa-marks-worst-pandemic-week-europe-sees-sharp-rises[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919037-cidrap-africa-marks-worst-pandemic-week-europe-sees-sharp-rises ; Africa just experienced its worst pandemic week, with 16 countries reporting resurgences, World Health Organization (WHO) officials said yesterday, as some countries in Europe report weekly rises topping 100%. Africa rise amid promising vaccine news At a WHO African regional office media briefing yesterday, its leader, Matshidiso Moeti, MBBS, said cases have risen for 7 weeks in a row and have now topped the peak of the second surge, with the fast-moving third wave continuing to gain speed. Of the 16 countries reporting sharp rises, 10 have highlighted the more transmissible Delta (B1617.2) SARS-CoV-2 variant. Malawi and Senegal are the latest countries to report surges. Moeti said, however, that vaccine delivery is showing signs of progress after nearly grinding to a halt in May and early June. Over the past 2 weeks the region has received 1.6 million doses through COVAX, with 20 million more expected soon from the United States and significant donations in the coming weeks from Norway and Sweden. "With much larger COVID-19 vaccine deliveries expected to arrive in July and August, African countries must use this time to prepare to rapidly expand the roll-out," she said, noting that less than 2% of Africa's population is fully vaccinated. Sharp spikes in more European countries The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) said in its weekly communicable disease threat report that cases increased 62.7% over the week before, with the highest spikes in Luxembourg, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, Denmark, and the Netherlands. New cases in those countries was up 100% to 200% compared with the week before. Eight countries have reported 2,535 cases related to Euro 2020 soccer competition. Several host cities have reported recent rises in COVID activity, including St Petersburg, Baku, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Glasgow, and London. So far, no infections have been reported among players on the national teams. In other European developments, new weekly assessments today from UK health officials say the Delta variant made up 99% of sequenced cases over the past week, and secondary attack rates appear to be falling, but are still higher for Delta than for the Alpha (B117) variant. They added that although the risk of hospitalization seems to be higher, early data do not show signs of increased severity once patients are hospitalized with Delta variant infections. Public Health England also posted an assessment of the Lambda (C37) variant, first seen in Peru last August. It said the variant has shown the capacity for wider spread in South America, with some global transmission. So far, however, it hasn't shown the capacity to outcompete the Delta variant. More global headlines Several countries reported new daily record highs for cases, including South Korea, Thailand, Bangladesh, and Tunisia. In South Korea, officials raised COVID measures in Seoul to the highest level short of a full lockdown. And Tunisia's health ministry said the health system has collapsed and the country is in a catastrophe.
DJ We may be moving into the worst part of this pandemic so far...While the hope was vaccines would end the pandemic... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919036-cidrap-china-s-coronavac-vaccine-shows-good-efficacy-in-2-studies[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919036-cidrap-china-s-coronavac-vaccine-shows-good-efficacy-in-2-studies ; Two new large studies of China's CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine showed good efficacy against symptomatic infection and severe disease, albeit with lower efficacy than the two mRNA coronavirus vaccines currently in use. DJ-Some vaccines may need three vaccinations to offer best protection. Even Pfizer, Moderna could see booster shots-after 6 months-a year...Commercial interests and "cold war mentality" only are a limited factor on a global scale...most countries do not have the money for expensive vaccines... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/919032-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-and-variants-under-investigation-in-england[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/919032-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-and-variants-under-investigation-in-england ; 9 July 2021 Technical briefing 18 This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 25 June 2021 Summary There are 4 current variants of concern and 9 variants under investigation (Table 1). This report has been published to continue sharing detailed surveillance of Delta (VOC- 21APR-02, B.1.617.2). A separate report is published covering our routine data on all other variants of concern and variants under investigation. The specialist technical briefings contain early data and analysis on emerging variants and findings have a high level of uncertainty. Principal changes and findings this week are:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf DJ-It is proberbly getting impossible to sequence on a global scale enough to detect new variants in time. The Delta(+) variant may cause such an explosion of cases sequencing will be overrun. We may detect new variants when they have become a major problem.. This pandemic is going into a global "bad scenario" /crisis...If in the top 10 best vaccinated countries 50% of all of the population is vaccinated-and vaccine protection is 70% and going down-per 1,000 people only 500 get 70% vaccine protection...is 350 people per 1.000 in the best vaccinated countries now dealing with the Delta variant with an R0 of between 6 and 8...and most countries hardly any NPI/lock downs...See also; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918934-two-nhs-hospitals-declare-code-black-alert-as-covid-cases-soar-and-staff-isolate[/url or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918934-two-nhs-hospitals-declare-code-black-alert-as-covid-cases-soar-and-staff-isolate ; Two hospitals in Scotland have declared Code black status due to Covid-19 pressures. DJ-Cases will go up in HCW-ers...further increasing carecrises worldwide...governments should act to limit spread...but wait...[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917263-england-johnson-set-to-delay-lockdown-easing-by-one-month-due-to-increasing-covid-19-cases?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917263-england-johnson-set-to-delay-lockdown-easing-by-one-month-due-to-increasing-covid-19-cases?view=stream latests; Boris Johnson has told the public they are set to no longer be legally required to wear masks from July 19, despite a surge in new cases and his own chief medical officer saying he’ll continue to wear one. - 11 June 2021 DJ Transport workers better in seeing the storm coming then "politics/experts" ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919084-new-covid-19-symptoms-emerge-among-fully-vaccinated[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919084-new-covid-19-symptoms-emerge-among-fully-vaccinated ; More data continues to come out about new COVID-19 symptoms from patients who have been vaccinated. Specifically, the ZOE COVID Symptom study has been updating its list of symptoms for those who have been vaccinated. The top 5 COVID-19 symptoms after vaccinations The study suggested there are five COVID-19 symptoms to worry about if you’ve been vaccinated, according to CNBC. Those symptoms include:
DJ Vaccinations were not expected to be 100% protective against all symptoms...it will develop further with Delta (etc.) further increasing. On Flutrackers several reports of fully vaccinated (often healthy) people still getting ill from Covid19. It may be similar to findings both in Israel and Scotland that vaccines may offer (much) less protection against new variants. STOP THE SPREAD ! DJ-In my opinion better communications are needed to get wide support for more restrictions. Only in that way we may be able to compensate for decrease in vaccine protection and increase of infectiousnous of new variants...When I look at China, Australia and the problems they have in getting variants under control a lot of countries even thinking of LESS restrictions is absurd... -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z4P9ZGZHk8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z4P9ZGZHk8 Friday Update; From Tunesia, Zimbabwe, Namibia to UK, US cases going up... Music ; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZkTh_T75QY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZkTh_T75QY T-Rex-Get It On ! -1971 |
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DJ, -When a government seems unable to think/take responsibility for itself-hides behind "experts" that say what they think "politics" would like to hear you get an "NL-scenario"...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table . My Netherlands now at #9 in highest growth by % per week; +510% last week 5,118 cases, this week 31,229...Deaths still decreasing -44%, last week 16 this week 9...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ , NL not yet in the top 10 for highest new cases-#11, yesterday 10,283 ([url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/10/10345-netherlands-reports-new-coronavirus-cases-since-christmas[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/10/10345-netherlands-reports-new-coronavirus-cases-since-christmas Dutch numbers 10,345 but there may be some corrections...)...The 11th highest number of cases per day for NL in this pandemic. Here in NL government reopened when the Delta variant was getting dominant...Maybe it may be realistic that in some cities over 50% of 20-24 y/o by now is infected...cases also going up in other age groups. Of course symptoms are "not just hay fever like"....For the 15-24 y/o 1-in-80 may see long-covid-in 10,000 cases that means 125 long covid cases...per day ! In the over 40 y/o it could be even 1 in 5...20% ! So "government may find another definition or deny the problem".... The Dutch CDC-RIVM used unrealistic models for their advice to reopen...Believing it would become "average night outs for limited groups" in stead of expecting lots of young people going out after long term closure of disco's/clubs...Testing-for-entry, costs 1 billion €-was a joke...people did send eachother apps over their smartphones if there was any control at all... The government end of june suggested "they did beat the pandemic" in a popularity race...while all numbers indicated Delta variant cases were exploding... Still import of cases from Spain, Portugal is going on...our incompetent government will not stop it. Other European states will stop it by closing their borders with NL... Testing may decrease since bars/clubs now have to close ad midnight...advice was 22 hrs but even there "our" government fails...Young people may party at home, in parks...no restrictions there...but also no "test-for-entry" testing...so the virus may spread even further... Only when lots of people get very ill this madness will be stopped. Government has lost any control via communications... Due to spending cuts on police there is not enough police to "get a grip"...They are also very frustrated, demotivated and underpaid... Also public health is at breaking point. Allready the Delta variant may be spreading in HCW-ers... "Our" right wing extremist "government" hates everything "public"...from police, public healthcare, public housing to public transport...A public role for government was the outcome of 19th century problems in healthcare, housing, transport...somehow this "government" did not learn that lesson. At the end of this month here in NL hospital cases, deaths will go up...maybe even explode... -Other countries show what the outlook is. The UK still reporting an increase of +31% (161,560 cases last week, 211,009 this week). Deaths going up +63% last week 118, this week 192...The UK is one of the most vaccinated countries ! Yesterday-july 10-reporting 32,367 new cases, 34 new deaths... Israel +73% in cases, last week 1,825-this week 3,163...Deaths +700% with 0 deaths last week-7 deaths this week...Yesterday 432 new cases, 1 death... US cases +23%, deaths still -9%. Canada not seeing much of the Delta variant-better close borders ! cases -7%, deaths -40%. Worldwide cases +12%, deaths now +1%...France +63% in cases, Germany +31% in cases-deaths still decreasing-do have restrictions. The Delta variant may bring the worst so far in this pandemic... -A short mention of other events, banking/economic crises, food crises, climate crises, cyber wars, organized crime gaining power because government-political parties may get funded by them...even in western countries... A government needs to govern...not "just" to manage...dump costs at local governments and then decrease tax for their rich (in part criminal) sponsors... We are sinking deeper into the swamp... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919121-ivermectin-in-long-covid-patients-a-retrospective-study[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919121-ivermectin-in-long-covid-patients-a-retrospective-study ; We are summarising the outcomes in 856 patients previously admitted at a Public Hospital in the Province of Buenos Aires, due to moderate/severe COVID infection, who surmounted the infection and could be released later on. We selected those whose symptoms, and mainly, the duration of them- could be attributed to long convalescence (“long haulers”). In them, a simple post-COVID treatment with ivermectin (IVM) was applied, thus provoking a faster reduction of manifestations. DJ-Ivermectin does not make "cents"....so no studies on it will be good enough for Big Pharma-FDA/CDC etc cooperation "working for public interest and shareholders"... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919120-hungarian-capital-offers-tests-amid-vaccine-efficacy-worries-many-fully-vaccinated-people-reported-tests-at-private-labs-indicated-that-they-hadn-t-developed-antibodies-against-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919120-hungarian-capital-offers-tests-amid-vaccine-efficacy-worries-many-fully-vaccinated-people-reported-tests-at-private-labs-indicated-that-they-hadn-t-developed-antibodies-against-covid-19 ; Hungary's capital city is offering free antibody testing to its elderly residents in a bid to ratchet up pressure on the government over concerns that certain vaccines don't provide adequate protection against the coronavirus. DJ-AstraZeneca was 10% effective against the Beta/SA variant, Pfizer itself claims a booster vaccine is needed against the Delta variant...Israel and Scotland see decreasing protection from vaccines against the Delta variant...with the Delta variant now exploding in partly vaccinated countries it will further mutate/develop towards vaccine escape...(from ALL present vaccines very likely...since several countries used several vaccines-and Delta variant is exploding in all those countries). [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24 latest UK cases up +30%, deaths +62,7%, hospital cases +56,6%...in one of the most vaccinated countries worldwide...BoJo's plan to reopen is criminal... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/other-aa/919006-co-possible-plague-death-reported-in-la-plata-county-confirmed[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/other-aa/919006-co-possible-plague-death-reported-in-la-plata-county-confirmed ; A La Plata County resident is suspected of having died from the plague, San Juan Basin Public Health reported Thursday. If confirmed, it would be the first plague death in Colorado since 2015. Only one other case of plague, identified in El Paso County, has been reported in 2021. - State health officials have confirmed that plague was responsible for the death of a Durango-area child. DJ The Plague may be "under control" in many area's but is not gone...the present pandemic could open the door for other illnesses... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919083-71-fully-vaccinated-virginians-have-been-hospitalized-for-covid-19-and-17-have-died[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919083-71-fully-vaccinated-virginians-have-been-hospitalized-for-covid-19-and-17-have-died ; RICHMOND, Va. -- According to new data from the Virginia Department of Health, 1,063 fully-vaccinated Virginians have tested positive for COVID-19. That's less than one percent of all COVID-19 case numbers. DJ-If vaccine protection is 95% still 5% may not have protection...The claimed protection is based on earlier studies..in practice during a pandemic with variants mutating protection will erode, decrease...STOP THE SPREAD= also slowing down vaccine-escape... But reopening because a certain % has been vaccinated while variants explode is giving away all the gains one did get from vaccinations... -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DDqsqhrfE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DDqsqhrfE on the UK debate on July 19 "Freedom Day" Bojo=mad insanity (DJ- I am NOT neutral..."objective" etc...I do not believe people ever are...so be just open about that !). The Lancet published a letter from 122 scientists warning against "reopening" in the middle of a Delta variant explosion... Instead Delay complete re-opening until everyone, including adolescents, have been offered vaccination and uptake is high Mitigation measures, especially adequate ventilation CO2 monitors and air filtration devices Spacing in schools With Universal mask wearing in indoor spaces, even for those vaccinated This will ensure that everyone is protected and make it much less likely that we will need further restrictions or lockdowns in the autumn. DJ-BoJo&Co could at least act as if they did take this pandemic serious...To many governments around the globe did not stop travel in time...over and over again..so the virus and variants could spread around the globe. The Delta variant did "fly for free" with infected persons...if there was no flight it would not get in that area/country... It is "not just a cold/flu/hay fever like" -it is killing millions of people, causing long lasting/life long health issues for millions more... Yes-you do need an economy to keep health care going but reorganize that economy so it does not kill millions ! DJ-If the UK government reopens-killing hundreds of thousend "to save the economy" there is an International Criminal Court... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s For the 122 scientists press conference/debate...(not only interesting for the UK...) Music; Down Town (but not now !) -Petula Clark [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx06XNfDvk0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx06XNfDvk0 1964... |
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DJ, -A big question is how good are vaccines [url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/data-appears-to-indicate-covid-vaccine-protection-starts-fading-after-6-months/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/data-appears-to-indicate-covid-vaccine-protection-starts-fading-after-6-months/ ? Both the UK and Israel started early vaccinations-so it may by now be 6 months + since some people did get (fully) vaccinated...Is part of the "vaccine escape claims" related to older vaccinations most in older people with a weaker immune system ? Can we expect more problems in vaccinated people in the coming months ? The Delta-variant itself may also be "better" in evading immunity. This makes evaluation of the strategy to stop this pandemic even more complex. Do variants develop better vaccine escape in not fully vaccinated or in people vaccinated over 6 months ago ? In a pressconference [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s it became clear variants do keep mutating/developing. "Running out of mutations/variants" DJ-are another form of wishfull thinking just like "summer will save us" is... The pressconference was held by some of the 122 UK scientists writing an open letter in the Lancet against "Freedom Day July 19" .. Basicly BoJo ignoring all the data/science but going for a date; July 19-for a political agenda. The video makes very clear how big a disaster reopening would be with variants allready out of control. Right wing politics destroying public health care for years...Here in NL in fact we allready had a sort of "reopening insanity" resulting in an increase from 500 cases per day-just a few weeks ago to 10,000+ cases per day now...and hospitals/HCW-ers exhausted... Most of HCW-ers both in NL and the UK simply want/need another job...a lot of them depressed/PTSD...In the hospital fighting to save lives. Sometimes dealing with very young children. Outside "politicians" claiming you can get rid of masks, "dansen met Janssen" (dancing with J&J) etc...and when things then get out of hand blame the public... The UK government will decide today-july 12-on the reopening over one week-july 19. In Europe cases +30%/deaths +2%-for the UK cases +28% deaths +66%...last week 122, this week 203...See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest-deaths +66,4%, hospital cases +56,6%, cases +27,3%.... -Numbers show a weekend effect-less testing. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ still over 373,000 new cases, 6,508 deaths is relatively high for a sunday...Also trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table are up. It should be alarming that both China and Australia have such a big struggle to get a limited outbreak (in several regions) under control... I will try to keep an eye on Kappa/Lambda/Delta+ variants but statistics may become even less usefull with Delta exploding. [url]https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/[/url] or https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/ can give some fast info...Lambda more increasing/detected in Europe/US last 4 weeks-then in Peru...but simply very limited numbers...Kappa had 15 detections in Ireland last 4 weeks...sequencing/screening/reporting is bad. -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919161-vietnam-recorded-461-new-local-covid-19-cases-saturday-night-raising-the-day-s-tally-to-an-all-time-high-of-1-844-july-10-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919161-vietnam-recorded-461-new-local-covid-19-cases-saturday-night-raising-the-day-s-tally-to-an-all-time-high-of-1-844-july-10-2021 ; Panicked workers flee factory after colleague tests Covid-19 positive Hundreds of workers in the factory panicked on hearing about the coronavirus positive case. They rushed out, knocking down the factory gate in their desperation to flee. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919151-us-president-touts-door-to-door-vaccine-outreach-amid-growing-concerns-over-variants-bad-idea-think-of-some-other-information-method[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919151-us-president-touts-door-to-door-vaccine-outreach-amid-growing-concerns-over-variants-bad-idea-think-of-some-other-information-method ; My comment in post one is in reference to federal 'door-to-door' efforts. Local officials will better know what fits in their local communities. Everyone has to eat. A better information effort (for anything) would be at grocery stores (large and small), big box stores, any location where food is. DJ I am against mandatory vaccinations, "pushing it" to hard...better info/NPI may be more of use then going from door to door... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919154-belgium-covid-woman-aged-90-died-with-double-variant-infection[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919154-belgium-covid-woman-aged-90-died-with-double-variant-infection ; The woman, who died in March 2021 in Belgium, had not been vaccinated. Her doctors suspect she contracted the infections from two different people. DJ Double infections may happen a lot of times-will be missed often. Testing is to find out if someone is infected NOT with what variant(s)...A mix of variants in a host could result in more mutations/possibly new variants...See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/919144-eccmid-dual-infection-with-covid-variants-alpha-beta[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/919144-eccmid-dual-infection-with-covid-variants-alpha-beta ; While we've seen a number of warnings about the increased severity of COVID-Influenza coinfections (see PHE Study: Co-Infection With COVID-19 & Seasonal Influenza), it isn't clear what additional impact this COVID dual infection may have had on the (fatal) outcome of this case. Duel infections with influenza are particularly concerning because influenza viruses are able to reassort - swap entire gene segments - and potentially create a new variant, clade, or subtype. This is how pandemic viruses are often born (see NIAID Video How Influenza Pandemics Occur). The coronavirus is not a segmented virus like influenza, and therefore cannot swap out entire gene segments with another coronavirus. But another process - called recombination - can occur with some RNA viruses, which allows for acquiring much smaller snippets of genetic material from another, similar virus. How much of a role (if any) recombination is playing in the evolution of COVID-19 is still a mystery. But last March a preprint published by researchers from the Viral Diseases Branch, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, MD, USA, found moderate evidence for 8 SARS-CoV-2 recombination events. - In May, another study published in PLoS One, titled SARS-CoV-2: Possible recombination and emergence of potentially more virulent strains, presented evidence of possible recombination events that may be driving some of COVID's evolution. Whether through recombination (which requires dual infections), or simple replication errors (i.e. antigenic drift), SARS-CoV-2 continues to reinvent itself at an astonishing rate. Most of these new variants pose no greater threat to public health than the older `wild type' COVID, but a handful - such as Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Gamma - have already proven to be formidable addition's to COVID's roster. All of which means, as long as COVID runs rife in the population, we are likely to see `new and improved' versions of SARS-COV-2 emerge, which have the potential to prolong the pandemic. DJ Looking at the numbers recombination may be happening on limited scale resulting-over and over-in new variants. Again STOP THE SPREAD !!!!!!! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/919135-bmj-should-we-delay-covid-19-vaccination-in-children[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/919135-bmj-should-we-delay-covid-19-vaccination-in-children ; 1) Given the low risk CoVid-19 poses to children, and the unknown long-term adverse affects of the experimental gene therapy on immature immune systems, it seems a huge gamble to inoculate the next generation. Especially given all that we now know about adverse reactions. 2) The United States is fortunate to have highly effective vaccines that are widely available for those aged 12 and up. People who are fully vaccinated are protected from severe disease and death, including from the variants currently circulating in the country such as Delta. People who are not vaccinated remain at risk. Virtually all COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are among those who are unvaccinated. We encourage Americans who have not yet been vaccinated to get vaccinated as soon as possible to protect themselves and their community. DJ-Basicly I am AGAINST vaccinations when there are other alternatives ! The reason why I did get fully vaccinated (Pfizer) was that "we" do not use the NPI alternatives...and I want to protect myself and my family...But I do NOT believe-for a second-vaccines alone are enough to get us out of this man-made crisis ! STOP THE SPREAD=plan A, but we are not doing that, so vaccines are plan B... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/913781-covid-19-vaccine-dangers-side-effects-controversy?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/913781-covid-19-vaccine-dangers-side-effects-controversy?view=stream latest; What is already known about this topic? DJ You have to balance virus-risks with vaccination-risks and other alternatives...STOP THE SPREAD is stopping variants ! Vaccines may help in immunity escape...(leaky vaccines-not stopping the spread but decreasing symptoms only...it can buy time-not that much more !) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies latest; Results: Ivermectin group included 203 contacts (to 52 index cases) aged 39.75±14.94 years; 52.2% were males. Nonintervention group included 101 contacts (to a total of 24 index cases) aged 37.69±16.96 years, 49.5% were males. Fifteen contacts (7.4%) developed COVID-19 in the ivermectin arm compared to 59 (58.4%) in the nonintervention arm (P <0.001). The protection rate for ivermectin was more prominent in contacts aged less than 60-year-old (6.2% infected compared to 58.7% if no treatment). Ivermectin in the protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection had an OR of 12.533 and 11.445 (compared to nontreatment) in both univariate and multivariate models, respectively. Side effects of ivermectin were reported in 5.4%; they were mild. Conclusion: Ivermectin is suggested to be a promising, effective and safe chemoprophylactic drug in management of COVID-19. See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919122-use-of-ivermectin-as-a-potential-chemoprophylaxis-for-covid-19-in-egypt-a-randomized-clinical-trial[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919122-use-of-ivermectin-as-a-potential-chemoprophylaxis-for-covid-19-in-egypt-a-randomized-clinical-trial ; Same study-different link... DJ I am NOT an expert-but "the claim is" Ivermectin does "not make cents"...it is about money, profit, greed...Politics for sale, embedded press...We may get in a double scenario-a limited number of (pro) western countries using most mRNA vaccines-the rest of the world falling back on Russian, Chinese, Cuban vaccines-with 3 or more vaccinations and Ivermectin (etc)...Could it be India did see a decrease of cases via Ivermectin ? -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nl4INODLjQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nl4INODLjQ first looking at statistics...NL cases exploding...then Africa... Dr.J.C. claims "there is a race" between vaccines and variants...If I did get it right WHO allready made it clear variants are winning...most of the world hardly has serious number of vaccinations... -DJ-The coming weeks will get hard. The Delta variant is out of control-in part due to gevernments (US,UK,NL) not trying to get any control...These coming weeks will kill illusions on "summer will save us" , "young only get mild disease", "vaccines will save us"...maybe getting more realistic is the only "good" in this very hard lesson ! History shows how bad, deadly, pandemics can be...The Spanish Flu only was a "mild" pandemic...With cases exploding also new variants will show up...There was some discussion on yet another wave-september schools opening...but we very likely still will be in a very bad wave...with possibly first Delta variant as a main factor then another variant/disease on top of it... History is not kind...Nature can be very brutal... -Music; Mr. Sandman-The Chordettes [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX45pYvxDiA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX45pYvxDiA 1954...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chordettes[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chordettes |
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DJ, Last week 1 in 183 Amsterdam citizens tested positive for Covid. In Groningen-north of NL-it was even 1 in 108...both cities house a lot of students and bars, clubs etc. mixed with Delta variant cases exploded. Still [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ NL dropped to #16 in new cases list yesterday-reflecting sunday testing. Our government did everything possible to get us in the top 10 again. "We" reopened end of june while the Delta variant-"only hay fever like symptoms" was increasing. So sorry UK in the most stupid government competition BoJo became #2...the Dutch government is even more unwise...Still the UK did get at #2 in highest number of reported cases ! Almost 35,000 new cases ! A good basis for reopening for BoJo & Co...maybe someone should tell them the idea was to try to slow down the pandemic... Indonesia-with over 40,000 new cases at #1. Proberbly most on Java-one of the most populated islands in the world...With limited vaccines the Indonesia government was-at first-succesfull in vaccinating the most social active. Police, healthcare, drivers....vaccination strategy may make a difference ! Yesterday global number of new cases 390,000+/deaths 6,440...proberbly the last day with such "low" numbers for some time. It will get worse both in cases (and because of high number of cases) in deaths then we have seen so far in this pandemic. We could even go over 1 million new cases per day some days...April 29 did see 903,000+ new cases-most related to the UK variant...January 20 did see 17,569 global deaths-also linked to the UK variant..1,823 of those deaths in the UK at that time. The Delta-variant is 2x worse...vaccinations worldwide are very limited. New variants may also be increasing... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global trends cases +13%, deaths +2%...For the UK cases up +29%, deaths +56%...again-BoJo & Co the idea is to reduce those numbers...they represent real people, real suffering, real horrors....Most countries are increasing restrictions and vaccinations...NL cases +581% but deaths -44%. The Dutch "government" is doing all it can to bring the deaths also over the +100%... This pandemic may have been "political" all the time. Right wing parties fighting for the 0,1% claiming to own "everythingh" making this democracy a "democrazy"....Putting private interests for public interests, money for people... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian may be interesting to compare...how much damage did it bring ? What was the relation with wars...economy...Just like today the Roman Empire was ruled by an elite fighting for self interest... Comparing the present pandemic with the 1918/19 Spanish Flu-"mild" pandemic-"only" killing 2-5% of the global population may give a false perspective. Present 2021 health care is NOT made for massive numbers of people in need of specialized care...it is mostly made for "planned care" -with planned room for incidents. The Delta/other variants may show present healthcare of "very limited use" when tens of thousends per million in the population may need a hospital bed or ICU.... The basic idea that infectious diseases "can no longer harm us" is very, very wrong ! From antibiotics getting useless to all kind of viral diseases the trend has been clear for decades...but politics did not want to see it ! -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919216-lethal-pneumonia-cases-in-mojiang-miners-2012-and-the-mineshaft-could-provide-important-clues-to-the-origin-of-sars-cov-2[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919216-lethal-pneumonia-cases-in-mojiang-miners-2012-and-the-mineshaft-could-provide-important-clues-to-the-origin-of-sars-cov-2 ; With the COVID-19 pandemic reaching its worst heights, people are interested in the origin of SARS-CoV-2. This study started with two important questions: first, were there any similar atypical pneumonia outbreaks, even on a smaller level, reported between SARS in 2004 and COVID-19 in 2019/20 in China. Second, examining the beta-coronavirus most closely related to date with SARS-CoV-2 at the genome sequence level, strain RaTG13 (CoV4991), which was sampled from a horseshoe bat in Yunnan province, we asked where exactly did it come from. It was found that RaTG13/CoV4991 was collected from Tongguan mineshaft in Mojiang, Yunnan, China, in 2013. Surprisingly, the same mineshaft was also associated with a severe pneumonia-like illness in miners in 2012 killing three of the six miners. A Master's thesis (in the Chinese language) was found on the cnki.net website which described in detail the severe illness in miners. The thesis concluded that a SARS-like CoV originating from Chinese horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus) was the predicted causative agent. The cases were remotely monitored by a prominent pulmonologist in China. Retrospective analysis of the pneumonia cases shows striking similarities with COVID-19. Bilateral pneumonia, vascular complications like pulmonary thromboembolism, and secondary infections are the main similarities. The treatment regimes were similar to the current treatments for COVID-19. We propose that the Mojiang mineshaft miners' illness could provide important clues to the origin of SARS-CoV-2. These cases should be studied by various academicians, researchers, and medical professionals as many important questions are raised in this context. DJ-Could it be Covid19/SARS-2 has been smoldering small scale-mostly in bats-since 2012 ? see also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/919217-pla-coronavirus-researcher-who-died-under-suspicious-circumstances-linked-to-us-university-where-lab-rats-died-of-sars-cov-2-like-virus-beginning-in-november-2019[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/919217-pla-coronavirus-researcher-who-died-under-suspicious-circumstances-linked-to-us-university-where-lab-rats-died-of-sars-cov-2-like-virus-beginning-in-november-2019 ; However, the report revealed that the patent, filed by the PLA’s Institute of Military Medicine, was lodged just five weeks after China acknowledged human-to-human transmission of the novel virus. DJ Who did know what when ? Intel-agencies did fail if they missed to large scale developments at the end of 2019 in China. (DJ-I see some similarities with 9-11-2001...planes flying into buildings in the US...pilots training for that...how could it be missed ?) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919213-china-across-the-country-many-local-officials-are-implementing-travel-and-other-restrictions-for-people-who-are-not-covid-19-vaccinated-july-11-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919213-china-across-the-country-many-local-officials-are-implementing-travel-and-other-restrictions-for-people-who-are-not-covid-19-vaccinated-july-11-2021 ; From the 25th, in principle, people who have not received the new crown vaccine (except for contraindications) are not allowed to enter medical institutions Inpatient departments, nursing homes, schools (kindergartens, nurseries, off-campus training institutions), libraries, museums, prisons and other key places. DJ China may be in more problems with the Delta variant. Reporting an increase of 70% of cases, last week 116, this week 197 may not-yet-be all of the story. It would be welcome if China could report on Chinese vaccins and reinfections. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919212-florida-orange-county-orlando-area-officials-recommend-everyone-wears-a-mask-when-in-crowded-indoor-locations-even-if-vaccinated-july-12-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919212-florida-orange-county-orlando-area-officials-recommend-everyone-wears-a-mask-when-in-crowded-indoor-locations-even-if-vaccinated-july-12-2021 ; Orange County leaders are once again recommending everyone to wear a mask when in crowded, indoor locations regardless of whether they are vaccinated. This guidance comes as Orange County’s positivity rate has jumped higher in the past two weeks. DJ-Vaccines NEVER promissed 100% protection against severe disease. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919206-cidrap-delta-covid-19-surges-worsen-who-challenges-push-for-vaccine-booster-doses[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919206-cidrap-delta-covid-19-surges-worsen-who-challenges-push-for-vaccine-booster-doses ; The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) today warned that the pandemic is worsening with the Delta (1617.2) variant spreading at a scorching pace, and chided countries and drug companies for pushing for third vaccine booster doses when many countries don't have enough to protect their health workers and other vulnerable groups. DJ-Discussion on vaccinating 12-17 y/o age group, booster vaccines does not mean more vaccines are needed in countries we keep poor. We have to go both directions-increase vaccine levels in "rich" countries and start large scale vaccination campains in poor countries. DJ-But we also have to STOP THE SPREAD !!!! More global headlines
There is a pandemic triangle "disease-spread-hosts" and we have to get grip on all three of them ! In my view corona-virus diseases are very hard to control so you have to get numbers/spread closer to R0 0,1 the 1...and then accept local outbreaks to be managed by vaccines/NPI, contact tracing etc...Only if vaccinations/treatments (Ivermectin ?) could reduce serious/severe disease to flu-like levels there may be room for large scale reopenings. If we want to stop the next pandemic we have to stop jumping up and down the planet "for fun", restrict travel, restrict mass events...we do not have that luxery ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/898806-milan-cancer-institute-the-coronavirus-in-italy-since-september-2019[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/898806-milan-cancer-institute-the-coronavirus-in-italy-since-september-2019 latest; Lab rats dying of mysterious COVID-19-like illness starting in 11/2019 in Pittsburgh, PA. - MILAN—In the quest to understand how the Covid-19 pandemic began, one persistent mystery is an Italian woman who researchers say they can no longer find. DJ-I think one has to be open-minded. For now the idea is SARS-2/Covid 19 pandemic started in Wuhan-China...but we may be wrong in that ? If bats could have more often CoViD-possible spreading to other hosts 9then bats) the pandemic could have maybe started on more then one place...could some of the variant be related to non-human hosts-maybe at several places ? Tunnel vision is NOT science ! Blaming China without knowing the facts does not help anyone ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919199-cidrap-news-scan-flu-vaccine-and-covid-19-one-dose-covid-vaccine-protection-in-elderly[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919199-cidrap-news-scan-flu-vaccine-and-covid-19-one-dose-covid-vaccine-protection-in-elderly ; People who received the flu vaccine prior to having COVID-19 had less risk of sepsis, stroke, deep vein thrombosis (DVT), and disease requiring emergency or intensive care, according to a study presented at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases (ECCMID) this year. - A single dose of an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine reduced SARS-CoV-2 infection risk by about two-thirds in the elderly, according to a Clinical Infectious Diseases study late last week. DJ-We may go to long term planning on how to deal with corona-virus diseases/variants, a next pandemic...Reopening now, ignoring the risks, is making matters much, much worse ! The NL and UK government are acting against basic human rights. Protecting the public is a government duty ! Flu vaccines may "alarm" the immune system... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/australia-2019-ncov/919195-sydney-may-extend-covid-lockdown-amid-delta-outbreak[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/australia-2019-ncov/919195-sydney-may-extend-covid-lockdown-amid-delta-outbreak ; The prospect of an extended lockdown looms over Sydney as Australian health officials reported yet another record daily rise in COVID-19 cases for the year, fuelled by the highly infectious Delta variant. DJ Both China and Australia show how hard it is to get limited Delta variant outbreaks under control. -Citizens TV-short; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CL3kAtRfKU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CL3kAtRfKU Dr. Helen Salisburry on herd immunity. Going for herd immunity by infection when you can go for herd immunity by vaccination is criminal. From the comments; Straight out of the Tyrant Playbook. Mass deaths actually maintain fear, which history shows pushes the populus straight into the arms of fascist leaders. Boris Johnson is NOT a clown. He is a fascist in a clown suit. Wake up! - The 85% figure is the minimum level by which you need to reduce transmission to stop the number of infected people growing for the level of infectiousness of the Delta variant. The government estimates are that current vaccines reduce transmission by 50%, so even if you vaccinate 100% of the population you only reduce transmission by 50%. Surely herd immunity by only vaccine is impossible, although vaccines will give us far higher protection against symptomatic disease, hospitalisation and death. DJ Vaccines and NPI can limit deaths and suffering. They are possible, affordable, doable-reopening to get "natural herd immunity" with the Delta variant exploding will result in new variants, immune escape-a much worse, longer lasting, pandemic. Brazil has a fascist dictator going for that strategy-resulting in genocide. Both NL and the UK deserve better ! Maybe a national strike to protect the workers is needed ? Trade unions-where are you ? I think Dr. John Campbell is making up his mind on how to react... Music-More then a feeling-Boston-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QK8RxCAwo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QK8RxCAwo comment ; Stay safe ! |
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I'm waiting for Dr John Campbell to finally admit that the vaccines aren't the all singing and dancing magic bullet that they first thought they were. The UK has such an entrenched narrative that the vaccines are the one and only answer to everything - it's such a blinkered view in my opinion. Watching it from over here it seems to me as if they've all been brainwashed. A multi faceted approach must surely be the better the option. It's obvious that Boris Johnson et al. are attempting to expose as many as possible to the bug before winter comes in and in the process are throwing so many vulnerable people under the bus. |
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KiwiMum-You put my view in five sentences ! I take sometimes up 100X that room ! Very good ! DJ, [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-politician-admits-on-live-television-that-the-more-covid-vaccines-people-have-had-the-more-likely-they-are-to-get-and-transmit-covid[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-politician-admits-on-live-television-that-the-more-covid-vaccines-people-have-had-the-more-likely-they-are-to-get-and-transmit-covid Hal Turner has been writing a lot of non-sense on this pandemic. But a basic question should be do vaccines make dealing with this pandemic-long term-better ? And that depends on how you deal with the crisis during/after large scale vaccination but with the virus/variants still around. In my opinion vaccines-in a longer term strategy-buy time. For the short term they do reduce serious symptoms a lot. But opening up, giving up all restrictions-while the variants are still around is foolish ! Vaccines protect much less against infections...but those infections spread now more without symptoms. The pandemic gets under the radar... Mutations do NOT stop ! So new variants do NOT stop ! Meaning this pandemic does NOT stop !!!!! STOP THE SPREAD !!!!!! You have a fire triangle; fuel-oxygen-temperature, if temperature gets high enough and with oxygen around fuel starts burning (fast oxydation...). In a pandemic triangel ; 1 Disease (virus or otherwise)- 2 Hosts (human/non human-goes also for plants/food production !)- 3 Spread( the disease has to get into the host)- The idea was vaccinations would break the link-stop getting the disease into the host-it does NOT !!!!! ("leaky vaccines"/non sterile vaccinations [url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582220/[/url] or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582220/ "infection permissive immunity"). Why did "we" go for vaccines ? Profit, money, greed ! Big Pharma maffia in control of "science" and by buying both "science" and "politics" governments went this way !! We could and should have stopped the spread early 2020-an investigation on why "we" did not may be more usefull then a study on "lab escape"..."We"keep repeating the mistake. The UK did import large scale the Delta variant from India in april/may...It was allowed to spread all over the globe almost... The other side of freedom is responsibility !!!!! There is absolutely NO USE in stopping a pandemic when you keep spreading the virus-variants !!!! All of the vaccination is wasted if you do not stop the disease...(and again vaccination does NOT stop the virus !!!!). -Another basic problem is understanding pandemics. The political elite does not accept the idea of a climate crisis. Science can proof what they want. Politics claim to see the urgency...and then global warming further increases due to lack of any usefull actions... The basic idea was "infectious diseases" and 21st century "do not mix"; small scale problem...allthough science has been making clear for decades another pandemic was around the corner. Anti-biotics getting more and more powerless against resistent bacteria... Under-estimating the damage a pandemic can do is a red line all of this major health crisis. Wishfull thinking is more dominant then facts ! "Summer will save us", "vaccines will save us" -Teddy bears will save us...are we dealing with adults here ? This pandemic is out of control due to bad politics ! Looking for excuses, blaming others is the major strategy..if it is not China itself Chinese vaccines are to blame...Sputnik-5 /anti Russia propaganda...it does not solve the healthcrisis ! [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/07/us-launches-another-attempt-to-regime-change-cuba.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/07/us-launches-another-attempt-to-regime-change-cuba.html Western embedded "media" using pictures of a pro-government demonstration as "proof" of anti-government demonstrations in Cuba... This pandemic shows how bankrupt and empty "the west" did get...democrazy in stead of democracy... Vaccinations can be part of a plan but not ALL of the plan to deal with pandemics. A PAN-demic is a GLOBAL problem...the "west" is basicly saying people in Africa, South Asia, Latin America can die... The health crisis is going further into the swamp... |
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DJ, -The numbers both [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table may give some indications of where we are going... UK july 13 numbers-cases +36,660-UK at #5 in global list for cases. Deaths +50 UK at #22. Trends UK at #83 for cases increase +29%, last week 175,201-this week 225,672...deaths-trends UK +56% last week 128-this week 200...UK at #39 in the global list... Israel at #50 for july 13 new cases...1,198 of them-1 death. Trends Israel at #88 for new cases +26%, last week 2,269-this week 2,862 new cases...deaths +800% 1 last week-9 this week. NL we are very "good"in first vaccines...in the middle group for fully vaccinated; New cases 7,821 according to worldometers (NL numbers are a bit higher...but for comparison I use worldometer) putting NL at #17 for new cases...3 deaths... Trends NL at #5 worldwide with an increase of 581%-6,797 cases last week became 46,254 this week...deaths still decreasing-but will go up...-44%. These statistics should make very clear vaccinations-at least for now- are NOT enough to get the pandemic under control ! There still is a link between new cases, hospital cases going up, deaths going up...vaccinations may have made the link weaker but it did not break it...Further opening up will worsen the pandemic, create even newer variants ! -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/919300-sars-cov-2-escape-in-vitro-from-a-highly-neutralizing-covid-19-convalescent-plasma[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/919300-sars-cov-2-escape-in-vitro-from-a-highly-neutralizing-covid-19-convalescent-plasma ; To investigate the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 in the immune population, we co-incubated authentic virus with a highly neutralizing plasma from a COVID-19 convalescent patient. The plasma fully neutralized the virus for 7 passages, but after 45 days, the deletion of F140 in the spike N-terminal domain (NTD) N3 loop led to partial breakthrough. At day 73, an E484K substitution in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) occurred, followed at day 80 by an insertion in the NTD N5 loop containing a new glycan sequon, which generated a variant completely resistant to plasma neutralization. Computational modeling predicts that the deletion and insertion in loops N3 and N5 prevent binding of neutralizing antibodies. The recent emergence in the United Kingdom and South Africa of natural variants with similar changes suggests that SARS-CoV-2 has the potential to escape an effective immune response and that vaccines and antibodies able to control emerging variants should be developed.
[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919291-new-york-takes-conservative-approach-counting-virus-deaths[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919291-new-york-takes-conservative-approach-counting-virus-deaths ; The federal government’s count of the COVID-19 death toll in New York has 11,000 more victims than the tally publicized by the administration of Gov. Andrew Cuomo, which has stuck with a far more conservative approach to counting virus deaths. DJ-If you can not control the pandemic control the story, numbers etc... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919283-cidrap-pfizer-covid-vaccine-shows-78-efficacy-in-pregnancy[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919283-cidrap-pfizer-covid-vaccine-shows-78-efficacy-in-pregnancy ; Two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine were safe and 78% effective in preventing infection in pregnant women in a real-world study in Israel. DJ Pregnant women may be more at risk for getting infected...vaccinations here are extra complex. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/surveillance-and-epidemic-control/919307-plos-comput-biol-predicting-seasonal-influenza-using-supermarket-retail-records[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/surveillance-and-epidemic-control/919307-plos-comput-biol-predicting-seasonal-influenza-using-supermarket-retail-records ; Increased availability of epidemiological data, novel digital data streams, and the rise of powerful machine learning approaches have generated a surge of research activity on real-time epidemic forecast systems. In this paper, we propose the use of a novel data source, namely retail market data to improve seasonal influenza forecasting. Specifically, we consider supermarket retail data as a proxy signal for influenza, through the identification of sentinel baskets, i.e., products bought together by a population of selected customers. We develop a nowcasting and forecasting framework that provides estimates for influenza incidence in Italy up to 4 weeks ahead. We make use of the Support Vector Regression (SVR) model to produce the predictions of seasonal flu incidence. Our predictions outperform both a baseline autoregressive model and a second baseline based on product purchases. The results show quantitatively the value of incorporating retail market data in forecasting models, acting as a proxy that can be used for the real-time analysis of epidemics. -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP-1-sb0URk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP-1-sb0URk Tuesday Debate-on the UK/BoJo&Co lifting restrictions per july 19... Prevalence of infection across the UK England, Scotland, Wales, R = 1.2 to 1.5 Scotland and Wales = 1.3 to 1.6 England, estimated 21,000 and 42,000 new infections per day England, around 400 COVID-19 hospital admissions day Ethnic minorities have been more affected Reductions in morbidity and mortality in hospital patients Due to the lower average age of patients and vaccination Roadmap modelling Remain several factors which are not known, some of which cannot be determined before the step is taken Therefore, peak of the next wave cannot be predicted with accuracy Key uncertainties are; A. changes in behaviours (which may be different in different groups) B.How quickly variables return to pre-pandemic levels C. Vaccine effectiveness uptake All modelled scenarios show a period of extremely high prevalence of infection lasting until at least the end of August There are four major risks ; 1. Increase in hospitalisations and deaths 2. Long-COVID workforce absences (DJ-and suffering !) 3.Increased risk of new variants emerging 4. High prevalence and high levels of vaccination = an immune escape variant (likelihood of this happening is unknown) Challenge to testing, contact tracing and sequencing Hospital admissions Highly uncertain Likely to reach at least 1000 per day (563 yesterday) (Jan, 2021, up to 4,000 per day) may become challenging for the NHS (medium confidence) Pre-defining hospital (and ICU) levels would trigger further contingency planning and interventions It is almost certain that the peak in deaths will be well below the levels seen in January 2021 assuming that no new dominant variant emerges, (high confidence) Delay would push the wave further towards the autumn and winter (high confidence) Recommended Maintaining people working from home Masks in crowded indoor spaces Increasing ventilation Would reduce transmission and hospitalisations (high confidence) Isolation of people likely to be infectious (high confidence) Effective test and trace remains an important part of preventing spread Vaccine uptake continues to be critical DJ-Threatening Dr. John Campbell because you do not like his story is part of the "liberty-insanity"...Liberty has to be linked with responsibility...I do not always agree with Dr. J.C. but he IS an expert-I am not ! Seeing things from different views can make people learn ! On the BoJo&Co insanity; "recommended" not mandatory restrictions while opening the doors for variant spread is simply crazy !!!! Expecting no new dominant variants is anti-science, ignoring what has been happening so far...Forget about testing/contact tracing if 80% of the spread may be a/pre-symptomatic ! Immune escape is almost certain if you release variants in partly vaccinated population. We did see in Manaus/Brazil P1 simply ignoring natural immunity ! Vaccines may be offering low protection after just six months in the elderly/vulnarables...certainly with new variants ! Try to "time" the outbreak-because "winter would be worse" is ignoring the Delta variant ! The UK plan dates back to february...sticking to it is showing "politics" is completely lost in how to deal with this pandemic.... -War (or not)...[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-new-great-game-gets-back-basics[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-new-great-game-gets-back-basics and [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/07/taliban-reject-turkish-plans-to-keep-a-natocia-foothold-in-kabul.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/07/taliban-reject-turkish-plans-to-keep-a-natocia-foothold-in-kabul.html DJ Pakistan and the Taliban are "very much linked" (if not one...). Pakistan is working with China out of self-interest. China can use Pakistan to get closer to Europe and Africa-but Pakistan is asking investments in return...Afghanistan-and earlier Iran-are now also part of Chinese plans. Chinese East-West trade routes mix with Russian North-South plans-linking Russia with the Indian Ocean-a dream of Russia for centuries... Turkey would like to get/keep influence in the Middle East/North Africa (MENA) region...Erdogan also had talks with Ukraine...but Turkey needs Russian energy and tourists, Chinese investments (and proberbly increasing tourism...). So "freedom fighters" and "refugees" are part of the trading... Since EU-Turkey relations are "not good" Turkey-Iran-Pakistan (TIP) is growing...(including Afghanistan would get TIPA ? Kazahkstan TIPAK ????). There are several pandemic links in this story; 1-Wars and pandemics in history often mix-pandemics get much worse by wars... 2-China/Russia (and Iran/Cuba) may provide vaccines/pandemic strategies that work better then "western" promisses.. 3-Economic growth is better healthcare... 4-The US/NATO only offer more chaos, confrontation with Russia, Iran, China..."Asia for the Asians" (slogan also used by Japan in 1933-45...but then it meant "Asia for Japan"...). The "West" is sinking deeper into this pandemic...so not "the best partner" (allthough Russia is also not dealing with it very good...). -Music ! [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon Roxy Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpA_5a0miWk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpA_5a0miWk 1982... Stay Safe ! |
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Ok, So our faith in modern medicine has been burst. It's always been a battle between the viruses and germs and us. We have gained a lead on the microbes for a while but, I am sure the germs will make a comeback. We need new ideas, new pathways to a win. I am certain that we can't beat nature but we can find ways to mitigate the losses, which will happen btw. We are going to lose a lot more people to this virus. There is a lack of trust in our society as a whole and in particular in the vast internet chat and message rooms. Think about before the pandemic and what life was like. It's not coming back. We need to wake up, develop protocols that enforce a blockade against any disease of an infectious nature. The war is not over, COVID is part o fa widespread war, humanity vs the microbe. Development of a universal protocols will be the only way to deal with this virus and any further virus. VACCINES are expensive and take years to develop. The only way to deal with future viruses and microbes is to develop a set of simple effective and non medical mehtods of containing the virus. |
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What really concerns me about the experimental vaccines is that they enable asymptomatic cases to walk amongst us. A far better "vaccine" would have been one that makes clear to everyone at a glance exactly who has Covid. If only some bright spark could have created one that turned people green when they had Covid, then we'd be able to knock the disease on the head by giving that person a wide berth. But making them asymptomatic is madness. |
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This is a war. In war, you use a variety of weapons. You gather intelligence. You catch your enemy by surprise. You can't rely on any one weapon, you have to use them all. You have to know your enemy, out-strategize them, take them by surprise. This will not be one battle, but a series of battles. I keep saying viruses play the long game. We have to be marathoners, not sprinters, and we have to be clever and resilient. |
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DJ, I do not "like wars" but life is full of problems, challenges and dealing with that is "life"...(but I know what you mean ViQueen24...only "war on drugs" "war on terror" made matters worse-not better !).I did read a NL story on the Delta variant-7 questions....Yes-if the virus kills the host it can no longer spread....DJ-But basically the more hosts a virus can find the better it may survive...Coronavirusses have the nasty habbit of being in all kind of animals... Virusses can even spread in plants, fish...they need a host for reproduction in the cells. Otherwise ("fantasy overdrive") "they could stick together and create a "whole new" sort of species".... Yes-virusses do-at some point- often get "milder". But the reason for that is the virus survives that way...A [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashover[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashover ; A flashover is the near-simultaneous ignition of most of the directly exposed combustible material in an enclosed area. When certain organic materials are heated, they undergo thermal decomposition and release flammable gases. Flashover occurs when the majority of the exposed surfaces in a space are heated to their autoignition temperature and emit flammable gases (see also flash point). Flashover normally occurs at 500 °C (932 °F) or 590 °C (1,100 °F) for ordinary combustibles and an incident heat flux at floor level of 20 kilowatts per square metre (2.5 hp/sq ft). in a pandemic-in my idea-would see Covid19 showing up in lots of species, lots of forms/variants.... In such a-horror-scenario we would be lost..."dead on our feet"....Again STOP THE SPREAD !!!! The potential risks are NOT recognized/realized by a lot of experts...In 1945 US nuclear testing there was-with some scientists-the idea a nuclear explosion could ignite oxygen in the air...basiccally "ignite the world". That idea/risk may have stopped a lot of scientist for going into that field... "Can we destroy this planet"? Yes we can ! This pandemic is getting much worse... -Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Global cases july 14 almost 555,000, with 8,715 deaths reported. Trends cases up +15%, deaths +3%... The UK yesterday reported 42,302 cases, 49 deaths-trends cases +28%, deaths +42% (last week 161, this week 229...so "still limited")...the trend NOT mentioned is immune escape... Another question always asked with new variants; "Does it bring more severe disease ?"-well if cases explode the result will be more severe cases, deaths because there are limits to healthcare...Hospitals worldwide so far did the impossible-at great costs, loss of life of many HCW-ers-to deal with the outbreaks... It may be time to go on a strike...politics is causing those new outbreaks, did cause this pandemic...is NOT stopping it, still in denial, still going for vaccines that may be of use for the short term but a major risk on the longer term... Global healthcare is run by big pharma for profit-NOT for public health...and politics simply does not want to see that... Can we get over 8 million deaths per 1-1-2022 ? More and more likely...unless we further "change/manipulate statistics"... In NL testing may have decreased, vaccinations may be decreasing-due to higher demand and burocrazy/burocracy..."Expets"claimed the over 10,000 cases in NL saturday would be the peak-cases would drop...of course they do not ! Yesterday we did get an even higher number (10,200+ saturday, 10,400 wednesday...the highest number per day was 13,000+). The UK has been seeing increases of cases for weeks-so why in NL cases would go down with less restrictions and vaccinations ? Because "clubs" have to close at midnight ? Please ! Can we get rid of these kind of crap "experts "! The Delta variant now is spreading in more age groups-the spread started at bars/clubs but does not stop because there are (small) limits to clubs, outdoor festivals, putting Ibiza on a risk list...AFTER the spread started ! Since these "experts" just like a lot of "politicians/leaders" did cause this problem they have become part of the problem... The present power elite that is responsible for climate "change" will never, ever be able to see the changes needed to get out of the crisis. They are part of the problem ! A lot of elite did START this pandemic due to inaction and stupidity or evil...they will NOT stop this pandemic ! On tuesday Dr.J.C. had a video explaining the UK government view on reopening per july 19...Dr.J.C. translated it to going for herd immunity...(and I do not know why he was not much more critical...I wonder if he is a member/supporter of BoJo ? Sometimes people claim to be "neutral and objective" show to have their own agenda...I am NOT neutral or objective ! I think governments have a major role to play in our society...to balance "capitalism" with (defending) public interests. Public/private imbalance may-in my opinion-be one of the roots of the present crisis...). Going for herd immunity means spreading the virus-with the goal of ending the pandemic. In "other animals" we do know that strategy-for corona virusses- does NOT work ! We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. The Israel numbers; 797 new cases, 2 deaths "all still limited"-only "still" is simply NOT good enough ! Cases up 52% last week (and an error in the deaths statistics...)... NL-Cases up 411% last week 11,480-this week 58,646...deaths -33% 15 last week-10 this week...thanks to the NL government acting stupid-but also thank you Dutch voters for voting on this bunch of @#$%*( ! Well done ! Of course NL cases/deaths will not be better then UK statistics with less vaccinations/restrictions in NL... [url]https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/[/url] or https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/ Lambda variant-US 703 (+35 last 4 weeks), Germany 100, (+1) Spain 56 (+5) Comparing it with [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics based on GISAID july 13-only change US there had 608 Lambda variant cases-suggesting an increase of 95...more likely an error in writing... Variant statistics are "not the best".... -Flutrackers latest posts; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/919383-china-officials-deny-off-campus-elementary-and-middle-school-training-sessions-are-suspended-in-yulin-city-shaanxi-province-july-14-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/919383-china-officials-deny-off-campus-elementary-and-middle-school-training-sessions-are-suspended-in-yulin-city-shaanxi-province-july-14-2021 ; On July 14, it was reported by the media that all counties and districts of Yulin city were shutting down the out-of-school training institutions for subjects in the compulsory education stage . - A reporter from Huashang Daily-Ersanli inquired on the official website of the Yulin Education Bureau and found no relevant documents or announcements. "This news is untrue, and we have not issued a similar announcement. The person interviewed by the media is not in charge of our work and is not familiar with this work." DJ All indications are China is dealing with major Delta-outbreaks...communication is still a problem. China can and should do better in communication ! A lot of countries in Asia see major outbreaks...it is only logic China has the same problems. Denial makes "the global public" "question" if China has things "to hide" . China likes to claim to be at #102 for total cases-"only" 92,119 cases-yesterday +24 and 4,636 deaths in all of this pandemic...trends cases +0,6% last week 169 new cases-this week 170-0 deaths... I would love to believe those numbers...But why Cuba, Vietnam, Serbia are doing so much worse while there are a lot of similarities ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919379-%E2%80%98people-are-going-to-die-needlessly%E2%80%99-msdh-releases-new-guidelines-in-response-to-spike-in-delta-variant-infections[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919379-%E2%80%98people-are-going-to-die-needlessly%E2%80%99-msdh-releases-new-guidelines-in-response-to-spike-in-delta-variant-infections ; The rapid rise of Delta variant cases and virus outbreaks combined with the state’s low vaccination rate led the Mississippi Department of Health to release a slew of new COVID-related guidelines on Friday. The new recommendations, which will stay in place through July 26, are:
... While MSDH has made these new recommendations, they are just that. Mississippi has had next to no COVID-related restrictions at the state level since Gov. Tate Reeves repealed most of them in March. DJ-Increase of infections with limited increase of vaccine protection should translate to more NPI/restrictions...if you want to control an outbreak...why Australia is doing that but US,UK, NL "best prepared for a pandemic in 2019 arrogance" keep failing here...Related; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919378-tennessee-abandons-vaccine-outreach-to-minors-%E2%80%94-not-just-for-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919378-tennessee-abandons-vaccine-outreach-to-minors-%E2%80%94-not-just-for-covid-19 ; The Tennessee Department of Health will halt all adolescent vaccine outreach – not just for coronavirus, but all diseases – amid pressure from Republican state lawmakers, according to an internal report and agency emails obtained by the Tennessean. If the health department must issue any information about vaccines, staff are instructed to strip the agency logo off the documents. DJ-What is your favorite part of history ? Dark ages or stone-age ? There is no use in fighting a disease when the basics of that disease is in some "politicians" in power... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919374-cidrap-global-covid-19-deaths-on-the-rise-again[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919374-cidrap-global-covid-19-deaths-on-the-rise-again ; In its weekly pandemic snapshot yesterday, the World Health Organization (WHO) said COVID-19 deaths are increasing again after falling for 9 weeks, with the sharpest upticks in Africa and Southeast Asia. DJ Is it not yet time to ask questions on the strategy ? This pandemic is not new ? If it was a baby it could be walking by now....Why do "we" repeat mistakes ? Why this pandemic is still not under control ? Why are many of the power-elite that did not stop this pandemic early 2020 still in power ? New daily highs in several countries Just days after topping 40,000 daily cases, Indonesia's surge continued to accelerate, jumping to 54,517 cases. The country's health minister said the Delta variant has been found in 11 areas outside the more urban Java island, stoking concerns about health capacities in the less populated areas, according to Reuters. Other Asian countries reporting new record daily highs include Myanmar, Malaysia, and Vietnam. Also, South Korea's cases reached a new record high, as health officials expanded distancing measures from the Seoul area to most parts of the country, according to Reuters. In Japan, the city of Tokyo, where the Olympics begin in about a week, reported a new daily high of 1,149 cases, passing the peak of its fourth wave, according to Asahi Shimbun, a newspaper based in Japan. Elsewhere, Iraq reported a new daily record high of 9,635 cases, and Russia today reported a record 786 deaths, along with 23,827 more cases. More global headlines
DJ Vaccinations for measles, polio etc dropped by over 23 million last year, dealing with malaria, ebola, the plague is a major problem due to Covid19. The power-elite words do NOT match their (in)action(s)... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest; "Limited increases" proberbly most "hay fever like issues" was killing +42,2% Covid cases in the UK, hospital admissions up 53,2%...cases +27,4% ...BoJo&Co think getting +100,000 new cases per day will end this pandemic... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919364-cidrap-covid-19-scan-bacterial-infections-with-covid-19-remote-vs-in-person-high-school[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919364-cidrap-covid-19-scan-bacterial-infections-with-covid-19-remote-vs-in-person-high-school ; Half of 399 hospitalized COVID-19 patients developed bacterial infections 48 or more hours after hospitalization, according to a PLOS One study yesterday. The bacterial superinfections were associated most strongly with lung disease, encephalopathy, mechanical ventilation, hospital stay of 8 or more days, and steroid treatment. DJ Coinfections make Covid deadlier...of course some would love to discuss dying from Covid versus dying with Covid...the deaths do no longer take part in that kind of discussions...In many countries also fungul co-infections showed up... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919345-israeli-study-of-breakthrough-infections-following-full-bnt-pfizer-vaccination-40-immunocompromised[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919345-israeli-study-of-breakthrough-infections-following-full-bnt-pfizer-vaccination-40-immunocompromised ; Severe forms of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) linked to high mortality rates might arise in a minority of fully-vaccinated individuals with many co-occurring medical conditions, finds a recent study by Israeli researchers published in the journal Clinical Microbiology and Infection. DJ-The "vaccine-religion"...I did not post links to countries making vaccination mandatory-for HCW-ers or the general public...I also did not put links to news on increases of cases/restrictions because it is almost global...The "news" is NOT in "claims of 95% protection" but in the explosion of cases...very likely also via the vaccinated.... One of the reasons why I keep doing this scenario's is the lousy way MSM is dealing with it...[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing and a lot of others are doing so much better... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919340-mbio-sex-differences-in-lung-imaging-and-sars-cov-2-antibody-responses-in-a-covid-19-golden-syrian-hamster-model[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919340-mbio-sex-differences-in-lung-imaging-and-sars-cov-2-antibody-responses-in-a-covid-19-golden-syrian-hamster-model ; In the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), more severe outcomes are reported in males than in females, including hospitalizations and deaths. Animal models can provide an opportunity to mechanistically interrogate causes of sex differences in the pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2. Adult male and female golden Syrian hamsters (8 to 10 weeks of age) were inoculated intranasally with 105 50% tissue culture infective dose (TCID50) of SARS-CoV-2/USA-WA1/2020 and euthanized at several time points during the acute (i.e., virus actively replicating) and recovery (i.e., after the infectious virus has been cleared) phases of infection. There was no mortality, but infected male hamsters experienced greater morbidity, losing a greater percentage of body mass, developed more extensive pneumonia as noted on chest computed tomography, and recovered more slowly than females. Treatment of male hamsters with estradiol did not alter pulmonary damage. Virus titers in respiratory tissues, including nasal turbinates, trachea, and lungs, and pulmonary cytokine concentrations, including interferon-β (IFN-β) and tumor necrosis factor-α (TNF-α), were comparable between the sexes. However, during the recovery phase of infection, females mounted 2-fold greater IgM, IgG, and IgA responses against the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein (S-RBD) in both plasma and respiratory tissues. Female hamsters also had significantly greater IgG antibodies against whole-inactivated SARS-CoV-2 and mutant S-RBDs as well as virus-neutralizing antibodies in plasma. The development of an animal model to study COVID-19 sex differences will allow for a greater mechanistic understanding of the SARS-CoV-2-associated sex differences seen in the human population. IMPORTANCE Men experience more severe outcomes from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) than women. Golden Syrian hamsters were used to explore sex differences in the pathogenesis of a human isolate of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). After inoculation, male hamsters experienced greater sickness, developed more severe lung pathology, and recovered more slowly than females. Sex differences in disease could not be reversed by estradiol treatment in males and were not explained by either virus replication kinetics or the concentrations of inflammatory cytokines in the lungs. During the recovery period, antiviral antibody responses in the respiratory tract and plasma, including to newly emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants, were greater in female than in male hamsters. Greater lung pathology during the acute phase combined with lower antiviral antibody responses during the recovery phase of infection in males than in females illustrate the utility of golden Syrian hamsters as a model to explore sex differences in the pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 and vaccine-induced immunity and protection. DJ Immune response may also be a factor in long-covid (and auto-immune diseases related to viral infections). ME-CVS is 90% female...like many auto-immune diseases...Men may die, woman survive but with chronic illness... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/919339-j-med-case-rep-recurrent-covid-19-infection-in-a-health-care-worker-a-case-report[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/919339-j-med-case-rep-recurrent-covid-19-infection-in-a-health-care-worker-a-case-report ; Background: Recurrent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection is an emerging problem and may prove to be one of the greatest problems in controlling the pandemic in the future. Recurrent infections can be due to reactivation of dormant severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) or reinfection with similar or different strains of SARS-CoV-2. Conclusions: Through this case, we discuss the concept of reactivation and reinfection in the post-COVID period. We suggest that standard guidelines should be established to check for viral shedding and immune response among cured cases of COVID-19 after discharge via serial real-time polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) testing and IgG antibody detection. Further, strict hygiene practices should be stressed to these patients with possibility of COVID-19 recurrence. DJ Vaccines does NOT offer the same immune protection in all. Older people have less immune-response. Vaccines may buy us time...but could buy us illusions... -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbylLcO5_uU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbylLcO5_uU ; DJ-Limited info under the video...FluTrackers may be a (much) better/critical source of info....Still worth watching..lots of info in the video...Cyprus doing much worse even then the UK, NL/Spain cases exploding....US hospital cases going up while vaccinations in the US are going down...(DJ-With the Lambda-variant increasing in California and the CDC not including yet that variant in the statics it may become a problem...42(+?) US states now did see Lambda variant cases according to Dr.Been). Dr.J.C. wants to be "realistic". Ivermectin may work-but most countries in the west will not use it...He may have his ideas about UK reopening, mandatory vaccinations...but his video's are NOT about him, or his ideas...that is a choice. Misunderstanding that "road of realism" is easy... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwUSC6rid4A[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwUSC6rid4A ; ZOE/ Prof.Tim Spector New COVID cases plateau ahead for UK freedom dayDJ realy ? I did watch the video-some good tips to still stick to restrictions...but comments may be more realistic then the "expert"; "This is outdated information, isn't it? These 32,000 'plateaued' cases are from the 9th but today we had over 42,000 cases... What's really alarming is the number of 'fully' vaccinated people becoming infected as that's the perfect breeding grounds for a true evading variant to emerge." and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRQ8bneI7vs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRQ8bneI7vs Peak Prosperity; Important Data: Delta Variant Not So BadDJ realy ? Is youtube becoming a new MSM ? Maybe I need to watch all of the video's..not just go for the covers... DJ-When lots of experts are telling a different story then what you think is realistic it is time to take the extra look. I am NOT an expert ! I hope to be completely wrong ! Wrong in 8 million official covid deaths per 1-1-2022 ! Wrong in the UK opening strategy will mean disaster ! I would love this pandemic to be over ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVt7N5UEQkM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVt7N5UEQkM Dr.Been on the Lambda variant... Limited time-lots of "info" I may decide to invest less time in YouTube... Other news-flooding in parts of western Europe...rain and riots in South Africa (and Haiti ?)... Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3eOuK_-c34[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3eOuK_-c34 Let the music play-Barry White 1976 (?) |
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I don't like wars either, Josh, but the virus brought the war to us, I believe we must respond in kind. Besides, what else would I say? My family tree includes Somerled, William The Conqueror, Brian Boru, Robert The Bruce and Charlemagne ;) |
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The proponents of vaccination have done a poor job of explaining what the vaccines are meant to do.
We are also struggling to deal with a rapidly-mutating RNA virus (SARS-CoV2), and I am impressed that the initial vaccines are as successful as they have been. We are all tired of fighting this pandemic, but I request that you all consider wearing masks in high-risk settings (big-box stores, concert & sports venues etc.), practice social distancing as before, and remain vigilant with your own health. Even those of us fully vaccinated may yet catch this damn thing and pass it along to others. Be Safe, C |
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DJ, OK, so we are facing two unpopular choices. First is to go back into lockdown and get the virus under control. Or, w e open up the economy risking spread of the virus. Both cause death, Isolation causes death due to depression. Virus causes death. DJ, Don't you think it 's a catch 22 ? |
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CRS,DrPH-I think communications in this pandemic are one of very many things going wrong...You can think of a chain-reaction; experts underestimating-giving politics wrong info-then politics go to the MSM...after that you have a "social media mess" that should not have come as a surprise...Social media did show to be a major factor in lots of events (protests, disasters...). Common wisdom-you know there are some increased risks-may need some extra steps...And not all face the same risks...when you have the luxery of working your own time, from your own place you are in much less a risk then making 60 hrs a week in a supermarket, as a teacher or HCW-er... I think ALL of the more serious experts agree on masks, social distance, hygiene etc. You do not need a "government" to think (or not) of that... Problem of course is when rules are NOT mandatory a lot of people go for what they see as "freedom"..A lot of people (including a lot of the media) seem to be ill-informed...repeating old news... In NL lifting of restrictions by many was seen as "the pandemic is over"-government/experts did not (re)act in time to control that idea...so that is how we end up with an explosion of cases in NL... And YES-the info is very complex...100% more is not 100 times more...etc. ME163; Guy McPherson [url]https://guymcpherson.com/means-of-extinction-the-sea-the-sun-and-surprises/[/url] or https://guymcpherson.com/means-of-extinction-the-sea-the-sun-and-surprises/ "damned if you do and damned if you don't" on climate change... I do not think we have to stop trying to get this pandemic under some sort of control-if only just to buy time, get people at least some vaccine-protection. Pandemics can result in social collapse-like what we now see in South Africa...first line of "defense" is hospital/healthcare... If cases explode that first line may be broken bringing the second line at risk; logistics, security... If that line breaks down the third line-energy, government may get at risk... You end up at [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state ; A failed state is a political body that has disintegrated to a point where basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government no longer function properly (see also fragile state and state collapse). A state can also fail if the government loses its legitimacy even if it is performing its functions properly. For a stable state it is necessary for the government to enjoy both effectiveness and legitimacy. Likewise, when a nation weakens and its standard of living declines, it introduces the possibility of total governmental collapse. The Fund for Peace characterizes a failed state as having the following characteristics:
Common characteristics of a failing state include a central government so weak or ineffective that it has an inability to raise taxes or other support, and has little practical control over much of its territory and hence there is a non-provision of public services. When this happens, widespread corruption and criminality, the intervention of state and non-state actors, the appearance of refugees and the involuntary movement of populations, sharp economic decline, and military intervention from both within and without the state in question can occur.[1] Metrics have been developed to describe the level of governance of states. The precise level of government control required to avoid being considered a failed state varies considerably amongst authorities.[2] Furthermore, the declaration that a state has "failed" is generally controversial and, when made authoritatively, may carry significant geopolitical consequences. DJ This pandemic-no doubt-is making weak states much weaker...We allready did see an increase of failed states...resulting in lots of refugees (but also (re)introduction of slave-trade etc.). Can a "modern country" get to failed state status ? Well maybe the Soviet Union did in 1990 ? I think a combination of factors could push even a modern state high speed into a failed state-status...and it is the combination of factors (income extreme inequality, resulting in much higher illness deaths for some, while others make money out of this pandemic...food/fuel crises, housing crisis...but also long lasting political crisis-where most of the public want elections but the President/P.M. does not want to go...-can cause a failed state). So No no "catch 22" ...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilemma[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilemma going for trying to get this pandemic in my view still is the better choice-made by most countries... |
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ViQueen24-My familyline very likely may be related to [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Gerlofs_Donia in a conflict between Holland and the rest of NL that has not ended yet... Like Scotland, Ireland never wanted to be "united" in a kingdom with the Anglo-Saxon invaders...resulting in a very strong [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party more "Scandinavian"oriented... NL is a mixing ground-North of the country strong "nordic" influences, east of NL more German oriented, the South still French/Roman (catholic) and "Holland" UK links..the roots of it may be over 2,000 years old... What does this have to do with the pandemic ? A lot ! -Numbers; Germany [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ has 1,093 deaths per million, the US, UK have 1,874/1,884. France has 1,703 dpm. Denmark 473...You may see "regional influences" in NL even in pandemic numbers-most of the time the north of NL had much lesser cases-in part also of a smaller population... Other countries may also show strong regional differences...Germany had an overcapacity of hospital beds-very welcome now-in part because hospitals are decided upon on regional level-NOT national level...another part may have to do with war times...history.. In the 1618-1648 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War ; The Thirty Years' War[m] was a conflict fought largely within the Holy Roman Empire from 1618 to 1648. Considered one of the most destructive wars in European history, estimates of military and civilian deaths range from 4.5 to 8 million, while up to 60% of the population may have died in some areas of Germany. - The modern consensus is the population of the Holy Roman Empire declined from 18–20 million in 1600 to 11–13 million in 1650, and did not regain pre-war levels until 1750.[142] Nearly 50% of these losses appear to have been incurred during the first period of Swedish intervention from 1630 to 1635. DJ Wars and pandemics are a very destructive combination ! Other numbers; UK "ready for reopening" with almost 50,000 new cases, 63 deaths. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest; cases up +32,6%, deaths +47,7%, deaths +46,8%...the BoJo&Co-show calling itself a "UK government" keeps ignoring these numbers...an expert like Prof. Tim Spencer/ZOE even claimed "there was no increase" in a recent YouTube-video...Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table (same numbers) UK cases +33% last week 195,000-this week 260,000-deaths +48% last week 174, this week 257-4 deaths per million last week... By magic reopening would result in "herd immunity" NOT in new variants...able to evade (vaccine/natural) immunity...R.I.P. Here in NL cases also going up-our "disaster government" even gaining votes in polls for showing leadership-people simply unable to see the fact that the parties "showing leadership" did cause the problem...only keep making matters much worse... This pandemic IS political. As long as we have these "bad clowns" as "leaders" we may stay in a downward spiral...(again I am NOT neutral...hate to "claim" even "objective" of course I have my background just like "neutral objective" people have-they just deny it...). Cases in NL +299% last week 16,086-this week 64,191...deaths -21% last week 14, this week 11 (0,6 per million last week). Looking at the UK deaths will soon go up in NL-allready hospital cases are going up...July 15 NL ended up at #15 for new cases; 10,976 and 3 deaths in worldometers...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/15/11000-new-coronavirus-infections-covid-hospital-total-8[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/15/11000-new-coronavirus-infections-covid-hospital-total-8 Dutch numbers +11,064 new cases... Outcome [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/15/netherlands-back-eus-red-dark-red-level-coronavirus-risk[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/07/15/netherlands-back-eus-red-dark-red-level-coronavirus-risk NL joining Spain, Portugal, Cyprus in the (dark) red list...(extreme) high risk-the Dutch may not be very welcome outside NL again... What should the US learn from this ? [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing NPI matters ! Reopening with the Delta variant exploding is insane ! Many countries report severe disease in children-not vaccinated. Delta plus vaccination is "vaccine erosion" resulting in vaccine evasion...We are moving high speed towards the horror resistent variants...able to reinfect hosts over and over again...Will that bring herd immunity ? Maybe some day-but with almost 8 billion human hosts-and possibly "trillions" of non-human hosts-the costs of going that "herd immunity road" could "end humans/humanity" !!!!! STOP THE SPREAD !!!!!!!! S T O P T H E S P R E A D ! ! ! ! ! ! This is NOT a flu-virus ! This is a corona-virus ! A "very clever" virus in animals almost impossible to control in even contained enviroments...So far it did show to be able to develop variants with limited spread. Increasing spread will bring MORE variants- NOT less ! Vaccines have some use in combination with NPI-become useless/dangerous with "opening up stupidity"! Each time "opening up" resulted in new variants ! Are "we" simply that stupid ? US cases +69%, almost 120,000 cases last week 200,000 new cases+ this week-the Delta (and very likely other variants) are spreading/exploding in the US. US deaths +17%, last week 1,563 this week 1,830...simply looking at other countries-with US only limited regional vaccine delay-limited NPI/masks etc...US deaths bound to explode.. Maybe the hardest part of the story is that many young lives will be lost. The UK reporting 50% of hospital cases with lasting (kidney, hearth, lung) problems-also in the young. I realy hate to see babies, 2-3 year old children intubated... What kind of humans are we that we do NOT stop this pandemic ? Are we all gone mad ? Global cases up +16%, deaths +0,6% (and decreasing !) South America in statistics seem to be doing better-cases -16%, deaths -15%...rest of the world cases/deaths over 10% increase..Oceania deaths 0%-Australia however is reporting an increase of 134% in cases last week 261, this week 611-deaths +200% meaning 0 deaths last week-2 deaths this week...Australia is losing the fight to contain the Delta variant...even with very strict NPI... China cases reported +4% last week 174, this week 181...0 deaths...DJ-My impression is China may be "under reporting"....Delta variant cases reported from China south border with Myanmar, and several other (high population) area's...If indeed China is able to contain the Delta variant they should export the know how ! The strategy may be more effective then some of the Chinese vaccines ! Taiwan shows it is able to contain the Delta variant-cases -33%, deaths -17% (also Hong Kong, Macao are reporting good numbers)! So if China/P.R.C. is able to contain the Delta variant it would be VERY welcome ! Israel numbers are simply bad-one of the best vaccinated countries worldwide cases +47% (last week 2,922-this week 4,285...deaths +175% 4 last week-11 this week (1 dpm+ in a week). July 15 did see +952 new Israeli cases, 2 deaths...Israel has 691 deaths per million-did do quite good most of the pandemic-but imported to many cases for vaccines to do their job... -DJ; Conclusion The Delta variant is exploding worldwide. With many of the younger generation not vaccinated, both "experts and politics" in denial both cases, hospital cases, deaths will explode. A "global India" scenario is on its way ! Social distancing, masks, work-from-home, ventilation may be more effective then vaccines. Vaccinations may give a false sense of security while in fact they increase insecurity-a/pre symptomatic spread up to 80% ? Even if (some) vaccines would reduce spread with 75% the Delta variant simply is "explosive"... If governments do not act you should act !!!! We did have very severe floods in this region-killing hundreds of people most in Germany. "The models" did not expect these kind of rains till the 2050's...the "models" were wrong ! The "experts" were wrong ! We may have had over 43C at an airbase north of my town Arnhem in 2019; Impossible according to the NL MetOffice so they did not accept it... Experts deserve respect for their knowledge but may be stuck in a "model-tunnel-vision". In this pandemic they simply keep failing ! Since these experts advise governments we end up in a worsening pandemic. Self reflection, evaluation of experts would be welcome ! Both experts and politics NEED to reflect their strategy ! Pandemics in the past often were far worse then the "mild" 1918/19 "Spanish Flu" ! Corona-virus are very well known in animals. We NEED to learn from that if we-as humans-want to survive ! (End of part 1) |
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part 2, DJ-My idea with "scenario's" was to get a realistic picture on this pandemic. I prefer "scenario's" above "models"...in my idea scenario's may be more related, interact, with realtime realty. Models may start at a certain moment in time and calculate, extrapolete on basis of some ideas and numbers...while reality may allready show a (far) different picture... Forecasting and "now-casting" in extreme weather events may show the same difference in thinking. Based on "models" there would not be 250 mm/25 cm rain in some parts of Germany/Belgium-well we did have that amount of rain in a hilly area. Water going to the lowest point...could go up 3 metres in just 3 minutes...(handicapped people in a basement had NO chance of survival). If we would have that amount of rain over the west of NL, Paris, Berlin, London it still would have been a disaster... In the UK "real time monitoring" is making more and more experts alarming against UK reopening. The "models" as a base for the july 19 "reopening of England" turn out to be (totally) wrong ! -Young people get (much) more ill then expected-often with long term complications -Hospitals simply often allready now are at their limits -Number of severe cases, deaths allready is much higher then expected in "models"... UK reopening at that basis is insane ! -Flutrackers latest posts for a wider, global view; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919517-microbiol-resour-announc-coding-complete-genome-sequences-of-11-sars-cov-2-b-1-1-7-and-b-1-351-variants-from-metro-manila-philippines[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919517-microbiol-resour-announc-coding-complete-genome-sequences-of-11-sars-cov-2-b-1-1-7-and-b-1-351-variants-from-metro-manila-philippines ; Here, we report the complete genome sequences of 11 severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) variants from the Philippines. Lineage analysis showed 3 B.1.1.7 and 8 B.1.351 sequences. One B.1.1.7 sequence contained two additional mutations, F318N and V320F, with V320F located in the receptor binding domain of the S1 subunit. DJ Some small mutations may have major outcomes. Variants start with minor mutations... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919518-microbiol-resour-announc-genome-sequences-of-15-sars-cov-2-sublineage-b-1-617-2-strains-in-bangladesh[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919518-microbiol-resour-announc-genome-sequences-of-15-sars-cov-2-sublineage-b-1-617-2-strains-in-bangladesh ; We report the coding-complete genome sequences of 15 severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) sublineage B.1.617.2 strains that were obtained from Bangladeshi individuals with a history of recent travel to India and from the Bangladeshi community. Genomic data were generated by Nanopore sequencing using the amplicon sequencing approach developed by the ARTIC Network. DJ "Wishfull thinking" is "there is a limit to variations...so there is a limit in variants"...this NONSENSE ends with "we proberbly will not see more new variants" . An expert-scientist making such claim should be ashamed ! This is NOT science ! Experts have to give GOOD advice to politics, not fantasy stories on "what they hope may be"... It is this sort of garbage that make politics decide to reopen-so far resulting in new variants...If I had "advisor-experts" like this I would be dead by now...Get rid of them-send them back to university so they may realize the difference between science-facts and fantasy/wishfull thinking ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919522-emerg-microbes-infect-identification-of-a-novel-lineage-bat-sars-related-coronaviruses-that-use-bat-ace2-receptor[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919522-emerg-microbes-infect-identification-of-a-novel-lineage-bat-sars-related-coronaviruses-that-use-bat-ace2-receptor ; Severe respiratory disease coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) has been the most devastating disease COVID-19 in the century. One of the unsolved scientific questions of SARS-CoV-2 is the animal origin of this virus. Bats and pangolins are recognized as the most probable reservoir hosts that harbor highly similar SARS-CoV-2 related viruses (SARSr-CoV-2). This study identified a novel lineage of SARSr-CoVs, including RaTG15 and seven other viruses, from bats at the same location where we found RaTG13 in 2015. Although RaTG15 and the related viruses share 97.2% amino acid sequence identities with SARS-CoV-2 in the conserved ORF1b region, it only shows less than 77.6% nucleotide identity to all known SARSr-CoVs at the genome level, thus forming a distinct lineage in the Sarbecovirus phylogenetic tree. We found that the RaTG15 receptor-binding domain (RBD) can bind to ACE2 from Rhinolophus affinis, Malayan pangolin, and use it as an entry receptor, except for ACE2 from humans. However, it contains a short deletion and has different key residues responsible for ACE2 binding. In addition, we showed that none of the known viruses in bat SARSr-CoV-2 lineage discovered uses human ACE2 as efficiently as the pangolin-derived SARSr-CoV-2 or some viruses in the SARSr-CoV-1 lineage. Therefore, further systematic and longitudinal studies in bats are needed to prevent future spillover events caused by SARSr-CoVs or to understand the origin of SARS-CoV-2 better. DJ Again I am NOT an expert ! But could some new variants allready have "relations" with non-human hosts ? Denmark minks-cluster 5 may have played a limited role...Can there be more corona-virus diseases be in bats "only a few steps/"in-between-hosts" away" from another (SARS-3 ???) pandemic on top of SARS-2 ? Again-widespread non-human hosts for Covid19/SARS-2 may be a nightmare/horror scenario...it can make this pandemic far worse ! Not realizing these very serious risks, still ignoring past pandemics, is one of the many mistakes in this pandemic ! This pandemic can get much worse ! Wake up !!! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919508-plos-pathog-intranasal-gene-therapy-to-prevent-infection-by-sars-cov-2-variants[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919508-plos-pathog-intranasal-gene-therapy-to-prevent-infection-by-sars-cov-2-variants ; SARS-CoV-2 variants have emerged with enhanced pathogenicity and transmissibility, and escape from pre-existing immunity, suggesting first-generation vaccines and monoclonal antibodies may now be less effective. DJ Please read this again !!!!! Here we present an approach for preventing clinical sequelae and the spread of SARS-CoV-2 variants. First, we affinity matured an angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) decoy protein, achieving 1000-fold binding improvements that extend across a wide range of SARS-CoV-2 variants and distantly related, ACE2-dependent coronaviruses. Next, we demonstrated the expression of this decoy in proximal airway when delivered via intranasal administration of an AAV vector. This intervention significantly diminished clinical and pathologic consequences of SARS-CoV-2 challenge in a mouse model and achieved therapeutic levels of decoy expression at the surface of proximal airways when delivered intranasally to nonhuman primates. Importantly, this long-lasting, passive protection approach is applicable in vulnerable populations such as the elderly and immune-compromised that do not respond well to traditional vaccination. This approach could be useful in combating COVID-19 surges caused by SARS-CoV-2 variants and should be considered as a countermeasure to future pandemics caused by one of the many pre-emergent, ACE2-dependent CoVs that are poised for zoonosis. DJ Again !!!!! SARS-CoV-2 variants have emerged with enhanced pathogenicity and transmissibility, and escape from pre-existing immunity, suggesting first-generation vaccines and monoclonal antibodies may now be less effective. Vaccines did buy us time. We wasted that time on reopenings, party-time, vacations...stupidity !!!! Is there any real strategy in dealing with this pandemic ? Or is this all a big profit/Big Pharma "economic model" ? We are getting close of resistent variants able to reinfect hosts over and over again with a SARS-2 severe disease-not just "hay fever/cold"symptoms but with exploding number of deaths, long term illness... ACE-2 blocking may be a strategy to decrease risk of infection. Ivermectin may have some aspects of it (???) Vaccines are NOT ending this pandemic !!! If you do not realize that yet based on UK, Israel numbers look again ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919507-plos-pathog-sars-cov-2-infection-in-the-syrian-hamster-model-causes-inflammation-as-well-as-type-i-interferon-dysregulation-in-both-respiratory-and-non-respiratory-tissues-including-the-heart-and-kidney[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/viral-mechanism/919507-plos-pathog-sars-cov-2-infection-in-the-syrian-hamster-model-causes-inflammation-as-well-as-type-i-interferon-dysregulation-in-both-respiratory-and-non-respiratory-tissues-including-the-heart-and-kidney ; COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) caused by SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) infection is a disease affecting several organ systems. A model that captures all clinical symptoms of COVID-19 as well as long-haulers disease is needed. We investigated the host responses associated with infection in several major organ systems including the respiratory tract, the heart, and the kidneys after SARS-CoV-2 infection in Syrian hamsters. We found significant increases in inflammatory cytokines (IL-6, IL-1beta, and TNF) and type II interferons whereas type I interferons were inhibited. Examination of extrapulmonary tissue indicated inflammation in the kidney, liver, and heart which also lacked type I interferon upregulation. Histologically, the heart had evidence of myocarditis and microthrombi while the kidney had tubular inflammation. These results give insight into the multiorgan disease experienced by people with COVID-19 and possibly the prolonged disease in people with post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (PASC). DJ It is quite likely mice, hamsters, rats-at least some of the species-just like minks could get/spread Covid19 (maybe even without showing symptoms !). I think there could be a relation with African Swine Fever (ASF)-being a major-escalating-problem a.o. in China. Did pigs get asymptomatic Covid19 like disease on top of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_swine_fever_virus[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_swine_fever_virus ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919504-j-pharm-pharm-sci-evaluation-of-ivermectin-as-a-potential-treatment-for-mild-to-moderate-covid-19-a-double-blind-randomized-placebo-controlled-trial-in-eastern-india[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/919504-j-pharm-pharm-sci-evaluation-of-ivermectin-as-a-potential-treatment-for-mild-to-moderate-covid-19-a-double-blind-randomized-placebo-controlled-trial-in-eastern-india ; Results: About one-fourth (23.6%) of the patients in the intervention arm and one-third (31.6%) in the placebo arm were tested reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RTPCR) negative for SARS-CoV-2 on 6th day. Although this difference was found to be statistically insignificant [rate ratio (RR): 0.8; 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.4-1.4; p=0.348]. All patients in the ivermectin group were successfully discharged. In comparison the same for the placebo group was observed to be 93%. This difference was found to be statistically significant (RR: 1.1; 95% CI; 1.0-1.2; p=0.045). DJ Ivermectin may not always showe the same results, dosages seem to matter...I think vitamin D, boosting "natural" immunity, prevention, ivermectin, vaccines ALL can play a role in getting out of this pandemic. The set goal has to be getting OUT of this crisis ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/919497-spike-antibody-waning-after-second-dose-of-bnt162b2-or-chadox1[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/919497-spike-antibody-waning-after-second-dose-of-bnt162b2-or-chadox1 ; Vaccines based on the spike glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 are being rolled out globally to control transmission and limit morbidity and mortality due to COVID-19. Current evidence indicates strong immunogenicity and high short-term efficacy for BNT162b2 (Pfizer–BioNTech) and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Oxford–AstraZeneca).1, 2, 3 Both vaccines are delivered through a prime-boost strategy, and many countries, including the UK, have used dose intervals longer than 3–4 weeks, expecting to maximise first-dose coverage and immunogenicity. With continued high global incidence, and potential for more transmissible SARS-CoV-2 variants, data on longer-term vaccine efficacy and antibody dynamics in infection-naive individuals are essential for clarifying the need for further booster doses. The study received ethical approval from the Hampstead NHS Health Research Authority Ethics Committee (20/HRA/2320). Sera were tested using Elecsys Anti-SARS-CoV-2 S and N electro-chemiluminescent immunoassays (Roche Diagnostics, Basel, Switzerland); the S assay targets total antibodies to the S1 subunit of the spike protein (range 0·4–25 000 units per mL [U/mL]), whereas the N assay targets total antibodies to the full-length nucleocapsid protein, which we took as a proxy for previous SARS-CoV-2 infection (specificity 99·8% [99·3–100]).5 Serological results were linked with demographic and clinical information collected at enrolment and with weekly self-reported vaccination status. Further referring to ; [url]https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2901642-1[/url] or https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2901642-1 ; In the context of recent advice in support of booster vaccinations from the UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation,13 and given the potentially rapid S-antibody decline suggested by these data, heterologous regimens, which preliminary data suggest elicit stronger antibody and T-cell responses,14,15 might provide more durable immunity and greater protection against emerging variants. However, the ultimate effect of different dose intervals and various heterologous combinations on clinical outcomes remain important unanswered questions. DJ-Translation; Vaccines may NOT be the solution for now. Better vaccines may be needed-but costly...(my words-DJ) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919490-potential-benefits-of-expanded-covid-19-surveillance-in-the-us[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919490-potential-benefits-of-expanded-covid-19-surveillance-in-the-us ; When public health officials assert that a new vaccine, drug, or policy is “safe,” the public needs to have full confidence in that assertion. This trust is boosted when the public knows that health officials tried hard to find flaws in their proposed strategies and “pressure tested” their assumptions. Public health strategies should be evaluated long after programs have been deployed to ensure that anticipated consequences occur as planned and unanticipated ones are detected early. This is the rationale used when the US Food and Drug Administration grants Emergency Use Authorization and requires postmarketing surveillance for adverse events before full product approval. DJ Trust, communications are essential for ANY government action during a pandemic. People may be willing to get vaccinated when the trust the government to provide help/care if those vaccines are not that perfect. If they still get ill...Just "claiming vaccines will save you" is bad communications ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/919488-long-covid-has-more-than-200-symptoms-study-finds[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/919488-long-covid-has-more-than-200-symptoms-study-finds ; The largest ever international study of people with long Covid has identified more than 200 symptoms and prompted researchers to call for a national screening programme. DJ-It is much easier for statistics to give numbers on tests, deaths, hospital/ICU admissions then on long term health issues much more complex...We have been in this pandemic since early 2020. If organ damage may be hidden a lot of long term effects may still have to show up ! Can we expect an increase-the coming years-of lung, hearth disease, etc...I think we can... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919476-cidrap-surgeon-general-warns-of-covid-19-misinformation[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919476-cidrap-surgeon-general-warns-of-covid-19-misinformation ; Today US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, MD, spoke at the White House about his newly issued surgeon general's advisory—the first of the Biden administration—about misinformation concerning COVID-19. DJ Problem is a lot of misinformation did come from governments and experts.... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919468-u-s-covid-19-cases-more-than-double-in-two-weeks-as-delta-variant-spreads-fast-and-who-warns-%E2%80%98pandemic-nowhere-near-finished%E2%80%99[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919468-u-s-covid-19-cases-more-than-double-in-two-weeks-as-delta-variant-spreads-fast-and-who-warns-%E2%80%98pandemic-nowhere-near-finished%E2%80%99 ; WHO sees ‘strong likelihood’ of new and possibly more dangerous variants of concern ‘that may be even more challenging to control’ DJ-You have more infectious variants, a lot of unvaccinated (enough) hosts, a lot of mobility = explosion of cases ! STOP THE SPREAD ! Why there are still no travel restrictions, even cruises restarted ! Why no mandatory masks ? What are you waiting for ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919459-risk-of-%E2%80%98catastrophic%E2%80%99-coronavirus-surge-in-middle-east-who[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919459-risk-of-%E2%80%98catastrophic%E2%80%99-coronavirus-surge-in-middle-east-who ; A surge of coronavirus cases in several Middle Eastern countries could have dire consequences, aggravated by the spread of the Delta variant and low vaccine availability, the World Health Organization said on Wednesday. DJ Of course wars also worsen pandemics a lot ! Afghanistan, Yemen, parts of Syria, Iraq, Libya may face "very high number" of "depopulation". In the 30-year war 1618-1648 parts of Germany did see an decrease of population up to 80%...why would that not happen today-at least in some area's ? [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919537-genomics-inform-comparative-study-nonsynonymous-and-synonymous-substitution-of-sars-cov-2-sars-cov-and-mers-cov-genome[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/919537-genomics-inform-comparative-study-nonsynonymous-and-synonymous-substitution-of-sars-cov-2-sars-cov-and-mers-cov-genome ; The direction of evolution can estimate based on the variation among nonsynonymous to synonymous substitution. The simulative study investigated the nucleotide sequence of closely related strains of respiratory syndrome viruses, codon-by-codon with maximum likelihood analysis, z selection, and the divergence time. The simulated results, dN/dS > 1 signify that an entire substitution model tends towards the hypothesis's positive evolution. The effect of transition/transversion proportion, Z-test of selection, and the evolution associated with these respiratory syndromes, are also analyzed. Z-test of selection for neutral and positive evolution indicates lower to positive values of dN-dS (0.012, 0.019) due to multiple substitutions in a short span. Modified Nei-Gojobori (P) statistical technique results also favor multiple substitutions with the transition/transversion rate from 1 to 7. The divergence time analysis also supports the result of dN/dS and imparts substantiating proof of evolution. Results conclude that a positive evolution model, higher dN-dS, and transition/transversion ratio significantly analyzes the evolution trend of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus. DJ Are they trying to hide the conclusion SARS-2 could develop towards MERS in some aspects ? When experts use these kind of words they are hiding findings for the general public-I think ???? -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv3Q74CLU1c[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv3Q74CLU1c ; info under (and in) the video. I understand the approach of Dr.J.C. -it is NOT about his opinions and ideas-it has to be on the facts. Of course my view is selecting the facts you do on basis of what you believe are facts that matter...Dr.J.C. may reach people that would not listen to him if he was more open on his idea's...His story (under the video) on the UK health crisis is very clear... Music; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYELAu9hqdU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYELAu9hqdU Music for the funeral of Queen Mary-Purcell-1695-lyrics; Man that is born of a woman hath but a short time to live, and is full of misery. He cometh up, and is cut down like a flow'r. He flee'th as it were a shadow, and ne'er continueth in one stay. In the midst of life we are in death: of whom may we seek for succour, but of thee, O Lord, who for our sins art justly displeased? Yet, O Lord God most holy, O Lord most mighty, O holy and most merciful Saviour, deliver us not into the bitter pains of eternal death. DJ This pandemic is getting much worse high speed ! [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_of_concern[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_of_concern Is Delta a VOC or allready a worse variant of high consequence ? |
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Josh, thank you, I enjoyed learning about your likely ancestor! I agree that warring with others is doing no good now. Our only war should be against the virus. We should overlook our conflicts with each other for now, unite to defeat the virus, and then be free to take up our other disagreements again if we wish. Defeating the virus is more important. In The Art Of War Sun Li says that we should never dissipate our energies in too many directions at once. Or, more succinctly, A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand. |
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ViQueen24, The Belgian motto is "cést l'union que fait la force" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_makes_strength[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_makes_strength Belgium has SIX governments, each language region (Dutch, French, German,) has its own government, Brussel/Bruxelles-the capital-once Flemish/Dutch now mostly Wallon/French has its own capital, there is a "Federal Government" and then there is a sixth government I have not yet discovered... Disagreements seems to be humans always end up with...even in crises... In this pandemic maybe the question did become "vaccine immunity" or "natural immunity" to reach "herd/group protection"....or is that idea itself a mistake ? Can you deal with a global pandemic at a national level or how much international cooperation is needed/realistic ? DJ-This pandemic is getting out of control due to the Delta variant most. With Los Angelos/California/US "Lambda" cases going up ???? [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing has good-up to date-info... -Numbers; [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global cases going up +16%, deaths +1%...last week did bring almost 3,5 million new cases-(3,446,439) the week before close to 3 million (2,976,425) and deaths going up last week 54,085 to 54,885...both with a lot of under reporting.... UK cases +36, deaths +57%...NL cases +211% deaths +22% (by now-still limited numbers-9 last week, 11 this week). Both UK and NL are "opening up" to get "herd immunity...The US numbers cases +67%, deaths +21% are not that different from UK or NL... US,UK, NL were supposed to be "best prepared" for a pandemic in 2019...I expect them soon to be disaster zones.... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Indonesia now at #1 for new cases, #2 for new deaths, Brazil #1 for deaths, #3 for cases...UK at #2 for new cases with-for now-limited number of deaths... US at #4 for new cases, #8 for deaths...Russia #7 for new cases, #3 for new deaths... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Lambda_variant#Statistics and [url]https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/[/url] or https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/ ; US has 705 Lambda variant cases in both lists (wiki july 15)...Spain 76-wiki/80 Gisaid...Germany 101-wiki but 96 in latest Gisaid numbers...so not very clear....[url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/varianten[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/varianten often Lambda is not even mentioned in statistics... Kappa, Delta+ and other possible variants may be an undercurrent...but with so little-and old-numbers it may be hard to tell. Delta variant is exploding world wide. Yesterday 562,500+ new cases/8,653 deaths will tend to go up the coming weeks... There is growing concern on the UK BoJo&Co insanity to "drop all restrictions" . In NL that insanity did bring the R0 allready to 2,91...restaurants are open, no masks in supermarkets, no limits at visitors at home after bars close at midnight...Of course hospitals/ICU's expect another increase...In NL care centers did see an increase of Covid-cases from 20 facilities last week to 35 this week ! Vaccinations in older people offer much less, shorter, protection. So Delta variant cases that started in the young and unvaccinated are now spreading (in NL) in all age groups...Reopening, increased spread, will result in more immune escape variants...a worsening of the pandemic ! STOP THE SPREAD !!!!!! -Flutrackers latest; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-june-24?view=stream latest; DJ Only number going down is the number of tests -1,8%...cases +34,9%, deaths +57,4% (within 28 days after positive testing-so excluding lots of longer lasting cases..the 28 days/4 weeks rule is producing false info !), hospital cases +43,4%... Dr.John Campbell may see something positive in these numbers, I do not ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021-widespread-border-testing?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918846-china-new-local-covid-19-cases-reported-in-ruili-city-level-iii-response-implemented-yunnan-province-july-4-2021-widespread-border-testing?view=stream latest; 7 Yue 16 Ri 0-24 , the 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps new confirmed cases reported 30 cases, of which foreign imported cases 28 cases (Yunnan 11 cases, Hunan 5 cases, Fujian 4 cases, Shanghai 3 cases of Zhejiang 2 cases, Shaanxi 2 cases, Guangdong 1 case), indigenous cases 2 cases (all in Yunnan); no new deaths; no new suspected cases. DJ-China claiming most new cases stopped at border/airport checks-only very limited local community spread...again would be very good if China is able to control the Delta spread ! Other countries may welcome to learn from that strategy ! Australia still +156% for new cases..still limited numbers-I only hope Australia will be able to bring cases down to 0 soon... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/africa-all-other-diseases/919570-nigeria-7-dead-in-enugu-market-cause-undetermined-as-yet[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/africa-all-other-diseases/919570-nigeria-7-dead-in-enugu-market-cause-undetermined-as-yet DJ-Cholera outbreak... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919581-cidrap-european-officials-say-delta-driving-deteriorating-covid-19-situation[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/919581-cidrap-european-officials-say-delta-driving-deteriorating-covid-19-situation ; Cases rising in 20 European countries
DJ Bad info on last week situation...running behind the facts...hospital cases goin up in many countries, deaths increasing...Sequencing and R0 numbers often are two weeks old info...now-casting, screening new cases, is needed NOT old info !
DJ HIV+ is a widespread (not only African) problem...so global cases exploding will bring a lot more severe cases/deaths in HIV+ patients...(but also young age groups 0-20 y/o are at much higher risks..."experts" still ignoring Indonesia and other statistics, calling for more study, are killing people !) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919566-dr-scott-gottlieb-says-u-s-is-%E2%80%98vastly-underestimating%E2%80%99-level-of-covid-delta-spread[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919566-dr-scott-gottlieb-says-u-s-is-%E2%80%98vastly-underestimating%E2%80%99-level-of-covid-delta-spread ; “I think we’re vastly underestimating the level of delta spread right now,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday. DJ-Vaccinated people may have a false sense of security. A-symptomatic spread will further increase. Vaccines are "believed" to be 75% effective against virus spread...but that percantage may erode with further mutations...Israel cases +57%, deaths +67%...just like the UK, Israel should have a high level of natural and vaccine protection... More ad random testing-to see how many (vaccinated) people may have/spread the virus-without symptoms-is needed urgently ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919565-151-dead-563-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/919565-151-dead-563-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases ; A total of 151 people have died and more than 500 have been hospitalized in Illinois due to COVID-19 in "breakthrough" cases after they were fully vaccinated, according to state health officials. DJ Vaccines do not offer 100% protection-so some "breaktrough" cases should be expected...but are those cases, symptoms increasing ? It is expected vaccines may offer less protection. The body may reduce part of immunity in months...also a high level of variant spread in vaccinated may result in mutations that make variants better in evading immunity. That proces is happening and needs monitoring ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/health-humanitarian-issues/919564-notice-to-governments-we-know-you-all-read-us-do-not-infringe-on-the-universal-declaration-of-human-rights-link-here[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/health-humanitarian-issues/919564-notice-to-governments-we-know-you-all-read-us-do-not-infringe-on-the-universal-declaration-of-human-rights-link-here ; Article 3 Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person. DJ How do translate "security of person" if you do not all you can to stop a pandemic ? If you expose a population in summer because "winter may be worse" ? If you expose young people to a virus-resulting in long covid-because "most of them will only get mild symptoms"... [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; Using mathematical models, the Institut Pasteur is trying to predict the future of the epidemic. Their latest results concern the Delta variant and their projections are rather pessimistic - Reduce variant circulation DJ - STOP THE SPREAD !!! -Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdTHgRSs3o[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdTHgRSs3o He has a lot of knowledge on health, a lot of experience in education...I do think he is over-optimistic on vaccines. Dr.J.C. "switches his claims" -saying he predicted developments earlier while he may have predicted the opposite. He still claims vaccination will save the UK from a high number of hospital cases/deaths...Defending that view with a.o. statistics from Israel... The way I see it you could see those kind of statistics also the other way...concluding the opposite of Dr. J.C. claims... I question Dr.J.C. "political neutrality" bringing up conservative MP's in his video's as experts...defending BoJo&Co choices... Let me be clear-I never claimed I was "neutral"...I do not believe in "neutral and objective" ...we all have our background. [url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2FZVXZkfDencs6KsYVpe_g[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2FZVXZkfDencs6KsYVpe_g Citizens TV is very critical of BoJo&Co UK reopening...The never ending pandemic is the outcome of bad politics ! There is limited use of going on with small scale protection-isolating, masks etc...if "governments" start opening the doors to get "natural immunity" . Most countries do NOT make that choice ! They did see the Brazil disaster-with high number of deaths...the US under Biden did see vaccinations getting started (development of those vaccines started under trump...). My view-Vaccines can help-but only for some time and in combination with NPI...This pandemic has been going for almost 18 months-keeps getting worse after each reopening..we need a better strategy-not repeating mistakes... Music; Rod Stewart - Maggie May - 1971 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj2EQRLm7Vc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj2EQRLm7Vc |
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DJ, the video footage of flooding in the Netherlands is really heartbreaking! Hope you are OK!! |
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CRS,DrPH, thank you for asking, High river water will reach my area tomorrow evening. Most likely it will stay some 2 metres below levels we do see from time to time in winter. Risks for NL, Germany, Belgium ; -High water level 24/36 hours-duration can weaken dykes & dams -Unexpected events-tributary water flows causing main rivers to rise further... For that matter the border area makes matters more complex. Water protection in part is a national issue-allthough a lot of info/data is shared and all three countries have very good relations... Language may complicate matters more-floods are in French speaking part of Belgium, Dutch NL/ German speaking Germany...so some of the communications may end up in English I think... Another risk may be related to the borders...if a dyke/dam breaks in Germany the water could move into NL or Belgium (ot the other way round...)...Also (rail)road links may still get damaged the coming days. A major NL-German rail/road/gas-transport line follows the Rhine...also shipping is effected. So logistics may see some influences. But other (rail)roads can take extra transports...it may take a bit more time... Since the "real time" R0 in NL may be above 3 (!!!!!) by now (most in the cities) the pandemic in this area will get worse. The official number of deaths in Germany/Belgium is over 150. With many more missing it is very likely to end up at 500+...in best prepared countries with fast help...Thousends of houses lost, infrastructure damage in the tens of billions... And not over yet... |
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