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    Posted: July 21 2007 at 8:53pm

It seems like the board is really starting to slow down now.   Should a pandemic ever hit, or should  h5n1 reach the U.S., I'm sure that everybody will return here.  We're very lucky to have possibly avoided an h5n1 pandemic, if that's the case.   A regular panflu should be easy enough to get through.   Ahhh... but how I do miss the "End of Days" of '05  LOL 

 
 
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I just think everyone is getting in their vacactions, or trying to fight floods and fires or maybe even enjoying the outdoors with the summer weather(especially us northerners) who get long winters:O)
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    Albert, I to think that everyone is on vacation.
However I don't think the pandemic has gone away. I think news is slow coming cause countrys are holding back news. But if you look at all the meeting US is having and officals in other countrys are having. Leads me to believe that they are preparing for the pandemic.
I feel its coming soon. But that is and uneducated guess. I recieved a pamplet in our mail the other day.
Saying from out local city hall. To prepare for hurricanes, pandemic, or terrorisom. My city don't spend anything unless they have to. It was a check list of things to get ready. And also it is true that lots of people are outside more in the summer. And maybe they feel they need to enjoy the good weather while its here cause they don't know what to expect in the future.
We all needed a little break from the heavy burden we are on carrying on our shoulders lately.


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Originally posted by PrepGirl PrepGirl wrote:

    Albert, I to think that everyone is on vacation.
However I don't think the pandemic has gone away. I think news is slow coming cause countrys are holding back news. But if you look at all the meeting US is having and officals in other countrys are having. Leads me to believe that they are preparing for the pandemic.
I feel its coming soon. But that is and uneducated guess. I recieved a pamplet in our mail the other day.
Saying from out local city hall. To prepare for hurricanes, pandemic, or terrorisom. My city don't spend anything unless they have to. It was a check list of things to get ready. And also it is true that lots of people are outside more in the summer. And maybe they feel they need to enjoy the good weather while its here cause they don't know what to expect in the future.
We all needed a little break from the heavy burden we are on carrying on our shoulders lately.
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Well I hope people are enjoying the summer.  I'm not quite sure that I understand exactly what you mean by "the heavy burden" that people are carrying in Panflu?  The reality is that h5n1 might not be the next pandemic, and some people need to accept it, is all.  Now, we may have a panflu, but there is no certainty that it will be h5n1.  People should realize that the more time that goes by that the less likelihood that "h5n1" will acquire the ability to cause a pandemic.  Again, there could be another panflu coming, but that does not necessarily mean h5n1, is the point I was trying to make.  Nor is there any certainty that we will have a panflu at all in the short term.  

 
I suppose I also thought that people here would be happy that h5n1 didn't go pandemic.  Anyway, everybody should enjoy their lives and the summer months, we all know where to return "if" TSHTF.
 
 
 
 
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We have been busy with my adult daughter visiting for 2 weeks from WA, she has not given me much time to relax, LOL, we have been running non-stop. That and the yard work that we are so far behind in because of the month of rain every day straight that we had, it finally stopped raining so we can finally get grass cut and trees trimmed, some outdoor painting to do, etc. I have been checking in several times a day but not posting anything, but I'm still here. I personally don't think we have avoided anything, with all the governments stepping up with their plans, there has to be something going on.
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Albert, regardless, whatever comes along to knock us down next time, I'm now ready...and that alone is worth it's weight in gold. Thanks to this forum and the people in it, come rain, draught, famine or flu...I will not be in line for my can of spam!

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Originally posted by Legacy Legacy wrote:

Albert, regardless, whatever comes along to knock us down next time, I'm now ready...and that alone is worth it's weight in gold. Thanks to this forum and the people in it, come rain, draught, famine or flu...I will not be in line for my can of spam!

 
It's probably not a bad idea to have some extra preps on hand for emergencies.  Although, other than people who live in perhaps the hurricane states, the rest of the U.S. doesn't really see any natural disasters that would require prepping.  Even people who do experience a hurricane can still drive to the next town for a steak dinner.  I personally haven't seen a flood, snow storm, or fire, that required prepping and stockpiling of supplies in advance. I'm also personally not the type to prep in case of a Nuke war.  So although we may be prepared with our preps, I'm not really sure that we would ever need to use them outside of a global disaster happening, which is not all that likely so prep wisely if you can't afford to.  
 
 
 
 
 
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We always knew that this thing may kick off in the next
3 days
3 weeks
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So nothing has changed there.  Millions of birds have been culled in asia to curtail this thing - this has worked for now.
Prepping is important in these times.  We have had failed terrorist attacks in the UK recently as now due to flooding there are 350,000 people in the UK with no drinking water supply.  Half a million people may be about to lose their electricity supply (and their phones 12 hours later...)

This site is the best prep site on the web - All the other forums are really centered around guns - not a great deal of use for us here in the UK.  Yes there is gun talk on here but not as maverick as the other sites I have looked at.

Its been slow before so this is nothing new - wasn't H5N1 discovered in the later 1980s?  Its a matter of time



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Originally posted by Web Ferret Web Ferret wrote:

 there are 350,000 people in the UK with no drinking water supply.  Half a million people may be about to lose their electricity supply (and their phones 12 hours later...)

 
Hi Web Ferret, that sounds like a good reason to be prepped to me.  If you live in a disaster prone area, prepping is a good idea.  Here in Southern California, the worst weather we get is occassional light rain 3 or 4 times a year, believe it or not.  Southern Cal has almost darn near perfect weather.  I can't even remember the last time it was cloudy around here .. lol
 
Like we've all somewhat discussed, if a Panflu hits, we could all re-prep in a matter of hours.   Other than that, regardless, AFT isn't going anywhere so we can always use this site for general prepping info.  We also need to be careful not to mislead people (and fear monger) so that people don't spend their life savings in prepping for Panflu - if the threat decreases. 
 
 
 
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I agree that it has quieted down. I am no longer canning like crazy as I was last summer at this time. I am currently taking a CERT class(Community emergency response Team). We will be the second responders in the case of a disaster. Even if nothing ever happens, the info. we are getting from our local fire and police dept. is priceless. At least I know that I am better prepared to take care of my family and possibly the neighbors. This time of year, I am more worried about a fast moving fire then panflu. 
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I think it's too early to say that BF has gone away. I heard it mentioned by political candidates so things are still being discussed in Washington. I hope it never happens, but please don't let your guard down.              GOD bless. Jo
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Albert;
The members haven't forgotten the site. Like me perhaps they just check in to see how things are going.
 
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As they say"dont count your chickens till the eggs hatch"Well there is a hell of alot  less eggs around latley.My gaurd will not be let down!!!!! I have been following this sence October  of 2005. The cover story of National  Geographic "The Next KILLER FLU can we stop it"That alone was  all it took for me to think about prepping.The spread of the this Virus in the  time since then is more then enough to make me believe it is almost inevetable.One way or they other we will feel the effects of this.Pandamic or just effecting are food supply.
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Like everyone else, i've been slowing down, just checking the form to see what's going on, not really to worried at this point but not wanting to let my guard down either. 
One thing is for certain, we can't trust any government to give us the "whole truth and nothing but the truth."   So with that in mind, i will continue to believe most governments have stoped reporting and are in "Cover up Mode".
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My opinion is if bf doesn't become a pandemic within 6 or 8 months,it won't happen. I am not letting my guard down either. Best to be prepped anyway for anything. It has been QUIET here on the site. I think that it is because people are on vacations..?
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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

My opinion is if bf doesn't become a pandemic within 6 or 8 months,it won't happen. I am not letting my guard down either. Best to be prepped anyway for anything. It has been QUIET here on the site. I think that it is because people are on vacations..?
 
Hi Coyote, I'm somewhat leaning toward your opinion with the 6-8 months.   If h5n1 doesn't make the jump sometime over that period, there is probably a good chance it never will.  
 
When we originally launched this site in 2005, we knew it could be 1-3 years if h5n1 were to go pandemic.  We had created this site to bring awareness to the situation since most people knew very little about it back then.  That time period is now somewhat reaching its end and thankfully it hasn't happened. 
 
 
 
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HI Albert! Yes, thankfully it hasn,t happened, yet.
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I don't think you can put a time table on something like this.
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Doesn't matter slow news or not.   Still check this sit daily usually a couple of times.
 
REcalling 9-11, things can happen quickly.  Wife and I were purchasing a house around the time of 9-11 and we were dealing with a financila institution in NY, I told her to be prepared this may delay or prevent the deal.  It didn't but could have. 
 
Same day I filled up at gas station at 4 PM and went back an hour later with another car.   Line was already two blocks long and only had premium gas to sell.  Yes, I waited and filled up.
 
Remember the crash of 1929.  I look at amazemnet at the History Channel and see all the men lined up for work and food.  I often asked my farm-raised father about his Depression-era experience.  He said they hardly noticed it --- they were self-sufficient.  As a mater of fact he would say "Papa made enough selling eggs to buy a Ford truck during that time."
 
Today I was at Sam's and still picked up extra food items --- will use them anyway.  I do this for us and to teach the children...
 
Albert, aren't you concerned about earthquakes?    Wasn't in 88 or 89 when all those freeways collapsed?
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I am keeping my eyes and ears open. Checking in on this site. Hopefully we won't get the pandemic. But I just listen to what is said here and what I read what the government is doing. And it just makes me feel somethings coming. I hope i am wrong. We recieved mail from our city government to prepare. And my sister got pamplets in the docters office about pan flu. So it must still be a active topic at this time in the government and docters office.

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SouthTexas, you are so right, anything can happen. I work on a military base and on 9-11 our base went to maximum security, every vehicle coming in the base had to be searched, waited in line for 2-4 hours just to go to work, others had doctors appointments etc., gas went up to $5.00 a gallon here, all cell phones were blocked, all internet service was blocked temporarily for the day until the military found out what was going on. Anything can happen.
 
I remember my mom (she was British, she died at 92) talked about living in England during the war and how they had to ration everything, they had coupons the government  gave out for coffee, tea, flour, etc. allowing you to purchase so much at a time. They were well off, owning a pub and a farm, even had the first Rolls Royce in town, they had goats, chickens and grew their own vegetables and they still went without things, money couldn't buy it, but they always had something to eat because they had a big garden. It just doesn't hurt to be prepared.
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I find myself wondering if the news is slow because the usual areas we were seeing cases are going through major problems right now. It might be easier to say someone with symptoms has one of the many other things going around. We're certainly not going to hear about anything coming out of China. And look at the horrible flooding they're dealing with.

Like Albert, we live in California, but much farther north. I worry about earthquakes all the time. There have been times when all the highways were blocked because of bad rain storms. We're talking towns with 10,000 to 20,000 people on their own for a couple of days. If we got a severe earthquake, that time could be much longer. People would be in trouble if they weren't prepared. One of the biggest factors is all the aid is going to go to the big cities (Sacto and S.F.) and the rest of us farther up the state will be on our own.

Admittedly, I get a bit confused about the needed elements for this particular virus to jump to an easily transmitted form. However, if it isn't this one, there could be another virus we simply don't know about. For some reason the old stand-bys appear to be more virulent.

I still check this site daily, I just don't always sign in. "Slow news" is good news as far as I'm concerned. It gives us all that much more time to prepare for the inevitable. Thanks to this site I learned that we should be prepared for more than a couple of weeks. That time frame is pretty good for most natural disasters, or even the man-made kind. I'm thankful that I've learned so much about something like a pandemic when there's been time to do something about it.



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July 23, 2007 10:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
U.S. Unprepared For Pandemic, Former Surgeons General Warn
ROSWELL, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Despite waning U.S. public concern, the likelihood of a worldwide avian flu pandemic has not lessened, warned former Surgeons General Dr. C. Everett Koop and Dr. David Satcher.

Speaking during the Firestorm Solutions (www.firestorm.com) meetings last week, Drs. Koop and Satcher classified the threat as “very real.’’

“The pattern makes you believe the likelihood of a pandemic – (probably) avian flu – is very real,’’ Satcher said. “You have to believe it’s around the corner somewhere.’’

A recent Ipsos-Public Affairs poll indicated only 27 percent of U.S. adults are concerned about bird flu in this country, down eight points in a year. Just 17 percent of respondents said they were worried about themselves or someone in their household getting avian flu.

Since 2003, 313 cases of bird flu in humans have been confirmed, and 191 fatalities have been reported in 12 Asian and African countries, according to the World Heath Organization. Each infection increases the chance the virus could mutate into a form easily transmittable from human to human, a precursor to a pandemic.

Present for the launch of Firestorm’s Health Crisis Mitigation Division, Drs. Koop and Satcher expressed concern this country is in disaster denial.

“People don’t want to face the reality of things like pandemic, hurricanes, etc.’’ said Koop, a member of Firestorm’s Expert Council. “The anxiety is tough to face, and as a result, people choose not to accept the burden.’’

Added Satcher: “We’re not adequately prepared for the next pandemic. There are many things we need to do, both at home (personally) and medically.’’

If the H5N1 virus takes hold in the population, Koop warned of the potential need to quarantine people in urban and suburban areas until a vaccine could be developed – expected to take as long as six months.

“We’re fighting today’s pandemic with the same tools we had 100 years ago,’’ Koop said.

The new Health Crisis Mitigation Division will allow Firestorm to provide clients with end-to-end planning, service and support on critical health issues, supplemented by access to its Expert Council.

Contact Firestorm Solutions at 1-800-321-2219 or hrhulen@firestorm.com. Media inquiries should be made to mpennetti@firestorm.com.

Firestorm is a strategic consulting firm which focuses on vulnerability analysis, threat assessment, crisis management and mitigation, employing a ‘Predict. Plan. Perform’ model.

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[QUOTE=BabyGirl] Albert if you read this can you help me. I was completely blocked from posting. I thought you had my IP blocked and was upset. Would like to log back in as baby girl if possible.
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I read morning and late night for news on a daily basis.  Have never posted much unless I really had something to say that I felt may contribute pertinent info, but I am still here.
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Glad your still here! Looks like BF is HEATING UP again.
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Albert, I think it has turned the corner. News picking up daily.
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Yes, sadly to say that bf is picking up again. I also think that a lot more of the news is being restricted..
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albert, do you think the news is picking up again or do you see this as the norm comparitively speaking??
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I would say overall that it slowed down a little.  It started slowing in 2006 if you consider that there was only a 15% increase in cases from the previous year of 2005.  
 
            Human Cases
2003 - 4
2004 - 46
2005 - 98
2006 - 115
2007 - 56   
 
The thing to remember is that the match is constantly lit, so to speak, as long as h5n1 is around - at all.   It could also cause huge problems for the economy should HPAI show up in the U.S. in  any forum.   So whether it slows down at times really doesn't have a lot to do with what "could happen" in the future.  This will always be worth watching closely for a number of reasons. 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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  Hi guys, I'm still around.  I check in at least once a day just to keep up with what's going on.  I have evev gotten a new friend to start prepping.  I will be adding to my fire wood supply in a couple of weeks.  I just had the fire place cleaned and checked yesterday.  I wil top off our propane tanks next week.  I do not want to wait until  the Fall to get this done.  I am still buying a few things.  I will start soon to replace a few items that I have used from my preps.  Last week I recieved my firearm permit.  It took about 3 months to get it. 
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BF is definitely picking up and at the same time a lot of birds are dying and a lot of people who either die of "pneumonia" or would be likely to test positive are not being tested. People are being given Tamiflu which masks the infection and then tested.

It is HIGHLY unlikely for there to be very large bird outbreaks without at least a few human positives. This is simply not logical. In almost every instance, even in U.K. where birds got it, and currently in China, Indonesia, and Thailand where it is endogenous is large areas of the bird population (200,000,000+) there must be some people getting infected. If only from the birds. There is an extreme lack of news mainstream confirming what is happening. Must remember, I personally do not want to see it spread or a Pandemic. On the other hand, 54,000 birds tested positive 30 miles from me a few weeks ago in the heart of the U.S. Birds tested positive 50 miles north of me two months ago.

Not very reassuring.

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Thank you Medclinician, for all of your imput.  I really value your postings.
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Hi Med, to clarify, 54,000 birds did not test positive, but they were culled as a precaution.  Although I believe that's what you meant to say.  They also supposedly had possible contact with LPAI and not the lethal strain.

 

Now, it would be easy for me to say it's getting worse, especially since we have a bf forum that I would like to see stay around. However, we don't want to mislead people for our own reasons. People accused us of fear mongering in the past when in actuality we were simply conveying things as they were happening.  If we think things may have slowed down, well, then we will point that out as well.  On the same note, there are some people around here who have written books regarding Panflu that may have a slight interest in keeping things going.  Regardless of book deals and increasing website traffic, this site has to be careful not to mislead people.  

 

Also, if the outbreaks do in fact slow down at any time, our chances of having a pandemic are still relatively the same.  In fact, with flu season just 90 days away now, anything could happen.  We could have a Panflu, or h5n1 could reach the U.S. via birds.  Either way, there could be significant problems ahead so we need to watch things closely. This disease is far too lethal to ever ignore. 

 

Having said all of that, I personally think that we may be the closer to having a panflu this winter than ever before.  The timeline of how and when pandemics occur is weighing fairly heavy on this winter. 

 
 
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Hi Med, to clarify, 54,000 birds did not test positive, but they were culled as a precaution.  Although I believe that's what you meant to say.  They also supposedly had possible contact with LPAI and not the lethal strain.

 

Now, it would be easy for me to say it's getting worse, especially since we have a bf forum that I would like to see stay around. However, we don't want to mislead people for our own reasons. People accused us of fear mongering in the past when in actuality we were simply conveying things as they were happening.  If we think things may have slowed down, well, then we will point that out as well.  On the same note, there are some people around here who have written books regarding Panflu that may have a slight interest in keeping things going.  Regardless of book deals and increasing website traffic, this site has to be careful not to mislead people.  

 

Also, if the outbreaks do in fact slow down at any time, our chances of having a pandemic are still relatively the same.  In fact, with flu season just 90 days away now, anything could happen.  We could have a Panflu, or h5n1 could reach the U.S. via birds.  Either way, there could be significant problems ahead so we need to watch things closely. This disease is far too lethal to ever ignore. 

 

Having said all of that, I personally think that we may be the closer to having a panflu this winter than ever before.  The timeline of how and when pandemics occur is weighing fairly heavy on this winter. 

 
 


really had to stop and think on this one and it is a matter of first hand reporting versus media spin.

This is the article.

http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/8378922.html

this is the statement:

The infected birds have a very mild case of avian flu, the birds have antibodies which means they may have previously been exposed to the virus.

There is no threat to the public or to the local food supply. During routine testing, a flock of 54,000 birds tested positive for a mild form of Avian

Flu.

Comment: I called the author of this article at the paper and spoke to him for about 30 minutes. For one, the birds had tested as having H5N1 which was at first denied. Secondly, there is no mention of culling in the article.


The author, spoke directly with the USDA people and over the following week and to this day the "formal news release" has undergone numerous revisions.

I checked and double checked the initial data and then watched it change and then finally snap back.

Currently there were some articles released that the boycott had been lifted on 30th of July and no additional cases had been reported.

So, there is my quandary. First hand, or close to it reporting from the person who covered the story 30 miles from me versus splattered revisions all over the net.

I am extremely precise in my data mining and know that one must be when stating we have Avian in the U.S.

The reporter was nervous in talking to me and nervous about being quoted. Obviously the infection had to come from somewhere and that somewhere has not been verified - how did it get to the farms - what other poultry were carrying it which had infected the ones tested.

Yes, it seems a large number. In fact, there is a similar data war going on concerning India in which hundreds of thousands of birds were involved.

It was a situation in U.K. when entire infected flocks - sometimes the rate has been 100% fatality - died - and then were tranported in open trucks with flying plastic covers through populated areas who also were spoken to and saw first hand the trucks, unsealed transporting the poultry.

For one, I believe almost none of what I see in print or released by the media and make a considerable effort to speak to people or interview experts.

I do not get any perks for this when my posts strongly disagree with the common media spin.

I have reposted the link.

Yes, I am concerned over this. It is 30 miles from me and a lot of people are ill here. The incident in the north was only a few months ago and once again there are no clear links (as far as I know) of where the infection came from.

Accurate news is important in times when the media is flooded with misinformation. 

I appreciate for your readers sake you trying to be precise. Consider the information being released is not. I understand you may receive some heat when I continue posting data which is not the "calm down there is no problem" spin.

Do call this reporter whose article plainly states 54,000 birds tested positive. Virginia is a massive poultry producer and their poultry was banned by some countries.

We are faced with a situation in which in some definitions we are told 80% death rate is low path. At least 60% has been stated - and after the outbreaks were defined low path the bans of poultry were lifted by 5 countries.

by the time story morphed to main media - not the local paper in the country it was

http://article.wn.com/view/2007/07/10/54000_Va_turkeys_suspected_of_having_bird_flu/?template=cheetah-article%2Fdisplayarticle.txt

suddenly 54,000 birds were culled - not infected. This is the jump to the main stream spin.

Here is an interesting thought - if 54,000 were not infected how many of the flock did test positive - are there any numbers anywhere stating this?

Here is an interesting article

http://www.dymaxionweb.com/h5n1/archives/2007/07/index.html

Avian flu at Va. farm prompts more testing

HARRISONBURG -- More than 50,000 turkeys on a farm west of Mount
Jackson tested positive for avian flu antibodies, prompting additional
testing and surveillance at area poultry farms, officials said.

The infected birds will be killed and composted on site, said Hobey
Bauhan, president of the Virginia Poultry Federation.

This is a totally different story than was posted on primary official sites.

What happened and is happening concerning Avian in a 200 mile radius of where I live?  Why would a reporter tell me on the phone it was H5N1 and a story which concurs with a massive infection and then first it was denied it was even H5N1 and then we still have no exact numbers for the amount of the flock that was positive. Obviously, they tested them all - or did they test them all - is there any data that they tested the whole flock to see how many were infected?

If it was 4, I will breath a sigh of relief and be glad. If it was only a few, don't you think they would have given the number.  Because a lot of information is about to be released to the public, accuracy is important as you have stated.

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I do think we need to keep a watch on things like this happening. We already know that they are going to try and keep as much information as possible from the public in order to not create a panic and in order for people not to stop buying poultry products which in turn will hurt the economy. I am kind of surprised we have been given as much info as we have. If you have noticed though, it has been buried very quickly, almost like let's not discuss this anymore and maybe people won't know about it or will forget about it.  If you hear anymore  Medclinician, please let us know what you find out.
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Below is the USDA APHIS sitrep for July 20 and I'm in regular contact with the people on the ground in Virginia as opposed to the media.

To recap:

6 July pre-processing serology on a flock of 29,000 market turkeys is positive by agar gel precipitin test (demonstrates antibodies to any Type A influenza).  A flock of 29,000 poults is in the brooder houses on the same farm.  Initial commercial antigen detection tests are negative on the older flock and no PCR product can be obtained from intial tests.  No clinical signs or mortality in either the old or young flock on the farm.  Samples forwarded to USDA's NVSL.  Company quarantine imposed.

8 July - Initial sera typed as H5 - not enough sera in initial samples for N typing.  State/federal quarantines imposed.  Surveillance sampling and culling plans start scaling up.  Task Force organization begins.  Trading partners alerted.

9 July - additional samples from all houses obtained.  Serology on these samples confirms H5N1.  High-cycle PCR product obtained, permitting the characterization described in the sitrep below.  No evidence of infection in young flock.

11-14 July - both flocks destroyed and composted on farm as required by USDA and OIE protocols for control of either LPAI or HPAI H5 or H7.  Results of surveillance in surrounding area described in sitrep below.

From previous experience, it's only news while the disaster keeps going.  Follow-up on stories of this nature (nothing happening at moment) usually falls flat.

There is at least one more follow-up sitrep, but it again shows repeat negatives.

The veterinarians involved with this break are under statutory requirements to report any potential occurrence to authorities.

We're a pretty tight-knit technical community in poultry, but the media generally ignores us.  This episode was widely and publicly discussed at our annual meeting July 14-18 in Washington by the attending veterinarians.  We can't help it if the media types don't show up.  There'll probably be a more formal dissection at the US Animal Health Association meeting in October, but media types generally don't cover that one either.

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APHIS Situation Report for July 20 - LPAI VA

Virginia Low Pathogenic Avian Influenza Task Force Situation Report July 20, 2007

 

Commercial flocks within 2 miles of the index flock: 5 Number tested negative: 3 Number tested positive: 0 Number farms with no birds: 2

 

Commercial flocks within 6.2 miles of the index flock: 42 Number tested negative: 35 Number tested positive: 0 Number farms with no birds: 7

 

High risk contacts (association with the index flock): 31 (9 in WV & WV has been notified) Number tested negative: 27 Number tested positive: 0 Number farms with no birds: 1

 

Backyard flocks within 6 miles:  34

Number tested negative:  30

Number tested positive:  0

 

Number of AGID tests completed in the Shenandoah Valley poultry producing

region: 17,963 (all negative)

Number of Fludetect completed in the Shenandoah Valley poultry producing

region: 1,011 (all negative)

Number of PCR completed in the Shenandoah Valley poultry producing region:

364 (all negative)

 

 

NVSL reported sequencing from virus isolate, subtype H5N1, is compatible with North American LPAI (NVPQRETR GLFGAI).  There is approximately 98% homology to A/duck/ME/154895-7A/02 and A/mallard/BC/373/2005.  Sequence from a second sample is being repeated by ISU with results expected tomorrow morning.

 

Cleaning and disinfection of empty houses is proceeding and is expected to be completed by the evening of July 24, 2007

 

Enhanced surveillance within the 17 counties of the Shenandoah Valley poultry producing region will continue through August 7, 2007.  Scale down surveillance will be conducted from August 8 through August 31, 2007.

 

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Hi everyone I been reading alot of your post. Haven't had much to say lately. But I have notice on the radio everyday advertisements to prepare for what ever might hit us. Being weather, fire, tornados, flu, or terrorist.
So we are being reminded daily to be prepared. That is a good thing. Never hurts to be prepared for anything.

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I saw the very first commercial on CNN news channel on preparing...they were showing kids saying things like "mom, will you be there?" "what should I do if you aren't there?" etc,....it was paid by homeland security I believe. Something is up. I've NEVER in my life seen a commercial like this. I was like "wow!"
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    Where do you start. World seems crazy lately. I too think something is up. Not sure what.


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Al Qaida has already said they've returned here to the states. That's all i need to know.Nuke
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