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So Covid finally caught us...

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    Posted: January 30 2022 at 4:19am

As the title would suggest we all have Covid in this household. Infact it looks like it is everywhere in my area. We know many people with Covid (family, friends and work colleagues) and nearly all the cases are connected to children from schools, nursery or playgroups.

So over 2 weeks ago our school began to get covid cases. Popping up all over. They could not be contained. My son's class became over run with cases including his teacher (Infact our school is now struggling with lack of staff) and that is how we got covid. 
At the start the only symptoms my kids had was a sore tummy then during the week a slight throat and headaches. My symptoms on the other had were quite bad - Slight loss of taste, high blood pressure, headaches, sore throat, tiredness, joint pain and it felt like I could not turn my body off to sleep. Over all tho I was quite pleased how we were doing with Covid and by Friday everyone was feeling better.... Yesterday it was like someone had flipped a switch. I still don't really understand what happened. Our temperatures went high extremely quickly, first the kids then me. Our symptoms came back much worse, my sons eye was closing over/watery with the pain of his headache and I was vomiting with mine. I connected these worsening symptoms with the high temperatures. I don't know if that's right or not but my goal the whole day was to get those temperatures down. I couldn't help feeling if I didn't things could get much worse quickly. So everything we did, ate, drank or medicine yesterday was aimed to bring temps down... Thankfully we are feeling better today and I hope it won't happen again. I now can see how it can go bad very quickly. I still can't understand what happened. I just wanted to let you all know incase it can help anyone..




*I should also add that we tested negative all week but tested positive yesterday. I don't know if the high temperature is connected to that but I know alot of people saying the tests are not working with Omicron. My husband also has had no symptoms what so ever lol :-)

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Hope you all get well soon...Any GP/hospital contact ? Do you have/use oximeters to see oxygen level in blood ? Even if breathing does not "feel/look" bad ! 

The "two-step disease" does look not unusual...often the second "gulf" of disease may be worse...but with BA.1 maybe it may still stay "mild..


Keep us informed and get well soon ! Your story only showing that even if you are aware of the risks there are limits to what people can do to protect themselves...

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My covid was hell on earth.  Once positive I went quickly to the best place I could find.  I got the best doctor I could find, and I got a plan of action.  We were airlifted to Baylor and sent to ICU.  We were very lucky to have the best doctors and the best staff.   Jill and Becky were the best nurses we ever had.  So we hired them.    The bill was around 10 milllion dollars total so far for 9 months plus of treatment and that includes the second round with covid.   We now have the finest isolation unit in 3 states.   The second bout was Delta.   I saw so many die and yes we were very lucky.   Just remember, if your breathing starts to get hard, you need to go to the ER.   Don.t wait. 


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Littlesmile, are you familiar with the work of Dr Chetty of S. Africa? What you are experiencing is the second stage of Covid that he has observed and it is a type of allergic reaction, in Covid's case to the spike protein. 

His work is widely respected and he says that day one is the first day that you get sypmtoms. Most people start to feel better by about day 5 or 6, but then some people (you and your family) take a sudden downturn on day 8. He recommends that ASAP you each take an asprin (to act as an anticoagulent and disperse any blood clots that are forming) and an antihistamine to quell the allergic reaction. Do this twice a day for the next 7 days. He also prescribes a steroid for severe cases, his favourite being Prednisone. You don't have steriods to hand probably so stick with the asprin and antihistamine, one tablet, twice a day. And put it this way, those aren't going to hurt you in any way. 

If you can, add a quercetin capsule and a high powered zinc tablet too. 

Please let us know how you're getting on, and get well soon.

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I have a cousin in the UK who had it in Oct and she had that traditional progress of feeling better by the end of the first week and then being absolutely floored by it and being in bed for the next 3 weeks. Another cousin, also in the UK, had the same but ended up in hospital on the Covid ward for 10 days despite being vaccinated. Unfortunately we hadn't discovered Dr Chetty by then. 

I currently have a cousin in Mexico who is on day 6 of her covid and feeling great, so we've had long chats about Dr Chetty's protocol and she's got her anti histamines and asprins all lined up just in case. She's been lucky enough to get Ivermectin, which they sell without prescription there, and she took that as soon as she got a positive test result. We're all watching her with interest.

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Little smile.has kids and here in UK asprin is banned in kids due to Reyes syndrome. Adults can still take it.  Interesting you can still use in NZ.  

While I appreciate adults who want to take ivermectin can make that choice, and I appreciate Kiwimum is not promoting it in kids.. but.Please Please don't give it to kids.  Overdosing are turning up in hospital even here in Scotland. Read in paper about baby being given a double dose and also having it rubbed on feet as a forum ( not this o e) advised him to do this.  Will post link.


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The use of aspirin in children under 12 has been banned in the United Kingdom since 1986, and in April this year the Committee on Safety of Medicines warned that it should also be avoided in children up to 15 if they were feverish.


Also Omicron causing more croup in kids than Delta did.  Stay strong, hope you better tomorrow and horrible when kids are ill. 

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/baby-turns-blue-after-dad-26049388

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Hazelpad, I'd hope that Littlesmile would show some commonsense. She's not an idiot. And no, asprin is not banned in NZ, and why should it be? Honestly there are idiots in every country in the world, but most people are not idiots. You could probably overdose on anything if you had enough of it. Apparently you can kill yourself by potassium poisoning if you eat 300 bananas in one sitting!

It's a bit like carrying a dangerous weapon. In the right hands a cricket bat is a dangerous weapon. Governments have got to stop trying to mitigate for every low IQ out there. 

I was sitting eating my breakfast yesterday and my youngest son came in, looked out the window and then left the room. He returned a moment later with a .22 rifle, and without saying a word, he put a magazine in the rifle, leaned it on the verandah rail and shot a magpie through the head with one shot over about 45 meters. He then removed the magazine, checked the chamber, said outloud "this gun is now safe", and then he turned to me and said "morning mum" before leaving the room and putting the rifle back in the gun cabinet. He's technically a child but he has common sense. We don't baby him. He's been well schooled in all things gun related and we trust him to shoot responsibly. We've got to treat adults like that too. Most people aren't idiots and they don't need mothering by the state. I would be very surprised if Littlesmile started overdosing her family on asprin, antihistamines or ivermectin.

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Sorry for the rant! Honestly I'm fed up with authorities trying to police the minutiae of our lives. Where does it end? We're limited to buying 2 packs of loo roll, I hear that paracetamol in some countries is only sold in tiny packets to stop people overdosing but obviously the authority who made this stupid decision hasn't counted on a person buying a pack in each shop they come to. It's all madness. We're all being treated, and spoken to, as if we are toddlers.

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..oh go shout at the moon...

I wish you all the best Kiwimum I do. I hope you find peace.

Little smile I hope you are feeling better.  

You all take care of yourself. 

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i  have shot coyotes and stupid dumb rattlers (snakes).  I have shot deer and some pretty nasty wild pigs.   I have common sense to know that you need to handle weapons with the utmost caution.   Thank god  your kids know how to shoot respectfully and know the laws.  We have fewer and fewer people who are rational shooters.    

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Originally posted by ME163 ME163 wrote:

i  have shot coyotes and stupid dumb rattlers (snakes).  I have shot deer and some pretty nasty wild pigs.   I have common sense to know that you need to handle weapons with the utmost caution.   Thank god  your kids know how to shoot respectfully and know the laws.  We have fewer and fewer people who are rational shooters.    

I hear you on that. There are some complete idiots out there. We keep our guns under lock and key at all times, cleaned and ready for action. I wouldn't trust a dirty weapon.

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Sorry to message this way. Copy and paste. I think it comes up differently but I find it easier to write off and on with textnote. Headaches and screens don't seem to go well together lol. Thank you all for the information. I am thankful for this forum and I hope many others find it as helpful as me. I think information really is key for this virus.

We all are feeling better today, but yesterday I was feeling better then worse again in the evening. So we will see if this pattern carries on lol.

Josh - Thanks so much. Yes thankfully we do have an oximeter as I was worried about my lungs. So far things are looking good. And yes my doctor/gp is very good tho it can be hard to get hold of her! I am finding the 'two - step disease' part very surprising and unexpected. I guess it's one of those things you have to 'see' to believe..

ME - I'm glad you had the best care and are feeling better now. I hope if I ever needed special treatment or care I will be able to get that too. Thankfully I don't think I will need it this time..

Kiwimum - Thank you. I did know that people could/got sick suddenly but I didn't know why. I should have took the time to research that part properly. This virus is very unusual. Thank you for the information. I got over-confident. Which won't happen again..

Hazelpad - Thank you. Yes I know about aspirin not being allowed to kids (and I already take aspirin daily from before, doctors orders) I am more of a home remedies kind of mum lol. The old things my great gran used to say/do is the things I fall back on with my own children.


* Ever since Covid appeared I have found my main emotion is anger. I am quite a tolerate understanding person but I am now angry first it seems. For instance my sister caught covid again last week. She had Delta before and was in hospital with breathing. Well she now again has breathing problems and my first reaction was anger. How could she let herself get like this again? I have wasted months trying to research information to help prevent this happening for her. And to me she just seems to have given up and let it 'settle' in her lungs. I obviously felt bad for thinking these things after but Im only human.... I think I see anger reflected in this forum. We are all only human. We do have to remember we live in completely different places. Information is key but so is understanding..



Would anyone be able to tell me (I know you can't say for definite) how long after you've had covid can you get reinfected? I think I would have a bit of leeway but I'm doubting myself now. I am worried about going back to school when I get better and getting reinfected straight away. Obviously my body won't be able to handle that. 

Thanks again everyone  :-) 




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;-) the info is more ;-(...

[url]https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1487814184104517632[/url] or https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1487814184104517632 ;

Merchants of herd death oversold immunity. People are being reinfected immediately again after Omicron infection. We have the data: Both laboratory experiments and actual cases.

Evidence from a study showing immunity based upon “mild" Omicron infection is weak for Omicron reinfection, and limited for cross immunity to Delta infection. 2/ https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.25.22269794v1.full.pdf

-DJ As far as I understand BA.1 offers hardly any protection against reinfection...maybe others offer more optimism

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*sigh* So no grace period? That might make decisions harder :-(

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There's some data that suggests immunity is greater for the vaccinated that have had a breakthrough infection.

Limited cross-variant immunity after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant without vaccination

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.13.22269243v1


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So some of my family's experiences:

a niece had Delta in Oct, and caught Omicron two weeks ago. The Delta gave her 5 days of flu like illness, loss of appetite, loss of taste, very bad headache. The omicron felt like a cold and lasted about 3 days. The 3 other members of her household did not catch Omicron despite them all having had Delta with her the first time around. She has tested negative for both bouts of Covid but was still diagnosed with it. No dip in blood oxygen.

Yesterday a cousin of mine in Mexico aged 56 had his day 8 crash, had a mild heart attack. The doctor in the ER said that although he is still testing negative, he definitely has covid (his wife tested positive and her illness lasted 48 hours) and that the doctor has seen many people presenting at the hospital like him. No lasting heart damage but he's been put on full strength aspirin for the next month. He's at home recovering now. Blood oxygen went to 85 (it should be around 98, and is worrying if it goes below 93)

Another cousin of mine in the UK who is fully vaccinated also had Covid in Oct. Blood oxygen dropped to 80. Paramedics couldn't raise it so he spent 10 days on the Covid ward of a British hospital, on IV steroids, anti coagulents and anti biotics. Was discharged with 30 syringes to self administer each day for a month of anticoagulent. 

From what I've seen, the problems seems to stem from blood clots and anti coagulents are considered important by the medical staff treating severe cases. 

I hope you get better soon.

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There have been plenty of doctors out there suggesting a direct link between someone's vitamin D levels and their susceptibility to Covid. Dr John Campbell is a big supporter of this theory and has done many videos on it. Are you all taking a Vit D supplement?

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I was supposed to message this earlier apologies...


So is this the worst I've ever felt in my life?   No, it's not (tho I'm thankful not to have caught Delta)
Is this the worst illness I've ever had? No, it's definitely not (hopefully stay that way)
Is this the worst virus I've ever had? No, it's not
But give me a cold or flu any day. I know these, my body knows these and they are continuous symptoms. You know were you stand with a cold or flu. It does not make your body go haywire or feel like a roller coaster. I don't know how covid has been with everyone else but the worse thing I have found is the extreme up and down. One minute I'm feeling better and half an hour later have so many symptoms at once. It is the second week now and I am really tired and my body is tired trying to fight weird symptoms it's never had to deal with. This virus has been a 'slow burn' and that's exactly what it feels like, it's slowly exhausting me. 
All I can say is that I'm so glad we don't have a cough or lung problems to deal with on top it. I think I have the mouthwash to thank for that!! Lol




Kiwimum - Thanks for the information. Yes one of my biggest concerns from the start was bloodclots with this virus. Bloodclots are unpredictable and are usually very dangerous very quickly... I know from my own experience and many others that the lateral flow home tests are not working well. Infact our school has announced today that people should go and get a pcr now instead... My oxygen level is slowing creeping down and I hope it will not be like my temperature and suddenly go bad... Thank you for the vitamin D. We do indeed take some and eat alot in food too. I do believe a link between serious covid and long covid is with vitamin D and B. But then again any illness can deplete these not just Covid.. I'm sorry to hear about your family members Kiwimum it must be hard them being so far away. It must be hard also watching the storm from a distance, tho I think you are lucky knowing so many. I wish I had that advantage. Maybe it would have eased my worry. Maybe I could have prepared more. Thank you again for taking the time to reply. Information is key :-)

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I just realised my message could be taken wrong. Believe me I do think (and have known) covid to be serious for many people. I am thankful I haven't got Delta. And I could just as easily take sudden serious illness tomorrow for all I know...  What I was trying to say is in my opinion that this virus is very unpredictable. 

I am not great with words and hope I am not taken wrongly... 


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Update on cousin in Mexico, right as I type this he is being prescribed anitbiotics for his cough. 

Littlesmile it sounds like you're having a tough time with it. Keep an eye on your blood oxygen. When one of my children had a illness a few years ago his blood oxygen dropped and the doctor told us that 93% was the point at which they would give oxygen to raise it up a bit. 

Get better soon and please keep us informed. xx

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So sorry to hear it caught up with you, Littlesmile.  I understand, I tested positive last week.  I wasn't even going to take the test, but the testing center nurse cajoled me into it and I decided I was going to sit for 10 minutes anyway before heading up the hill. I was pretty shocked it came out positive.  I had nothing more than a bit of a snotty nose, slightly rough throat and the eye where there is nerve damage was tearing a bit.  Nothing unusual.  Nothing I didn't attribute to dry air from steam heat.  That being said, I've read reports everybody will get Omicron, vaxxed, boosted or not.  The trick is that vaccination lowers chances of serious illness, hospitalization, etc. considerably.  

When I called my doctor to apprise him of my diagnosis, he offered me Monoclonal antibody, but I declined.  I didn't think I needed it, and apparently I did not.  He asked me to leave a message for him every day so he can keep an "eye" on any symptoms that might be developing. My last message was Monday saying.  I felt fine, my symptoms were gone and I wasn't going to leave messages anymore unless he told me otherwise.  My last day of quarantine is Friday.  

On the other side, my SIL's sister had Omicron and didn't do well at all.  Not surprising as she has Lupus.  But, there again, no hospitalization.  Just a miserable week she is still recovering from.  

Keep us posted on how you and your family is doing, Smile.  

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Kiwimum - Haha yeah we could very well be! There's a saying if you go far enough back everyone is related. Quite nice really... I hope all your family members are recovering well 🙏 
Thank you also for you help and information kiwimum...


Witch - That's great to hear how well you are doing! Can I ask have you had Covid before? I did wonder as this is my first time could it have been worse... I hope you and your sister make a full recovery..




*We are doing really well now. Very near full recovery.. I can't say for fact but as soon as I started treating it as an 'allergy' I felt better within days. Now I don't know if it was just my body kicked in, or maybe something else but it makes me feel better having something else up my sleeve that could help protect us. I've been worried, stressed and yes angry for over 2 years now. When we had been coping so well with Covid the first week I felt so happy and then suddenly crashed when became suddenly so unwell. I'm not ashamed to say I was very down and depressed. I realised I didn't do enough. Or learn enough. So if little things like allergy medicine or vitamins help me prepare mentally for the 'next round' of covid then that's just what I'll do :-)


Things I think helped - Allergy medicine, honey n ginger hot water, salt baths, fresh air for headaches, eggs everyday (vitamins and for energy) mouthwash (before catching covid and after too) also staying active for circulation.

Things I plan for future - Get my body on top form, change job occupation, become more self sufficient and to plan/prepare more for next time :-) 


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I'm so glad that you are recovering well LittleSmile. That must take a load off your mind. Years ago I had a wisdom tooth out and my family dentist told me to use a mouthwash made from a teaspoon of sea salt in water. He said it would help my mouth heal faster and that also it's a good one to remember if i ever have a sore throat. Well I've done it ever since. I'm a great believer in saline mouthwashes for any kind of cold or flu. I also use saline in a neti pot and rinse out my nasal passages.

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I'm so glad that you are recovering well LittleSmile. That must take a load off your mind. Years ago I had a wisdom tooth out and my family dentist told me to use a mouthwash made from a teaspoon of sea salt in water. He said it would help my mouth heal faster and that also it's a good one to remember if i ever have a sore throat. Well I've done it ever since. I'm a great believer in saline mouthwashes for any kind of cold or flu. I also use saline in a neti pot and rinse out my nasal passages.

Yep when I start to get a sore throat I immediately go gargle with salt water. Never had a sore throat progress past a salt water gargle, it works very very well.

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Salt water is the best 'cure all' go to! I remember my gran taking us to the beach especially for my younger sisters eczema. She believed (and I'm sure was right) that the sea helped her skin. All I know and remember is that we loved when my sister had 'flare ups' lol :-)

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;-) how are you doing ? Recovering I hope ? Any news/info you want to share ?

hope you are OK !

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