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    Posted: April 06 2006 at 6:57am
This is unbelievable...

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604060230.html
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Originally posted by Doodlebug Doodlebug wrote:

This is unbelievable...

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604060230.html

Nigeria: Villagers Arrested for Eating Carcasses of Bird Flu Chickens


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April 6, 2006
Posted to the web April 6, 2006

Starving villagers in Jos, Plateau state, who exhumed and ate the carcasses of bird-flu infected chickens were arrested by the police, government officials said yesterday.

The Chairman, Sub-committee on Sanitation and Transportation of the Plateau State Bird Flu Committee, Mr Joseph Pate, expressed shock that some villagers of Dong in Jos North local government area, had gone to the dump site to exhume the infected birds to form part of their meals.

Pate said the infected birds were from a farm in Jos and had been buried on Monday after they were confirmed to have died of the flu.

 

The chairman said the action of the people has exposed them and others to the deadly virus, noting that it could lead to death.

The Police Public Relations Officer, Mr Isa Adejoh, was not available to comment on the arrests.

An official of the Ministry of Health, Mr Iliya Azi, told the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) that the villagers' action was condemnable.

Azi said the consumers of the carcasses stand the risk of being infected because the cells in the dead chickens had the bird flu virus.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604060230.html


 

Taking away a family's food and no replacement animals....

I cannot imagine the pain of such a decision from hunger.

Buried Food

Maybe catch Bird Flu

Starving

Flu

Not hungry

Possible Death.
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Breaks my heart that someone would be so hungry they would be driven to that extreme...to eat rotting chickens knowing they are infected. Instead of arresting them, they need to feed them.
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Agreed Bellestarr.  From their point of view, they may not have  much so lose.
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But then again how many times have we been told that as long as the chicken is cooked well there is no danger eating it?????  You don't think they have been told the same?  They probably were very careful handling it while they were preparing it and made sure they cooked it properly.  Therein lies the problems with mixed messages!
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so very sad.... terrible they are just trying to survive....Unhappy
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I wonder how many human cases there were in Africa alreadyand went either unnoticed because of hihg death rate due to other causes or because it went unreported.
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Goes to show the police state is spreading as fast as the bird flu.  Absolutely frustrating news. 
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 A horrible picture crossed my mind.  What would the poor of the USA do to feed their children if they live paycheck-to-paycheck? I’m on a fixed income, but am cutting expenses in other areas as a means to stockpile & prep.  Additionally, I’m informed abut all aspects of BF, if’s spread across the globe, infection rate, death rate, precautionary procedures, etc.   Would folks hungry enough in the US dig up dead birds, or worse, catch, kill, and eat infected birds, squirrels, or other animals most likely carrying BF infection?  

 

Think about it.  Once BF arrives, and officially announced in America, folks will stop purchasing poultry.  Thus, prices on other meats will sky rocket. 

 

I'm a firm believer in self-sufficiency, but in times of extreme chaos, I do wonder about those without the means to help themselves--not the lazy, those who ignore warnings, or spendthrifts who purchase $150 gym shoes, but the truly less fortunate souls of our country--those on social security, disability, low functioning IQs, etc.  Who's informing, educating or helping them to prep?   

 
I have a neighbor who functions at about age 10-12, he lives on his own, works as a bagger at the local grocery store, pays his bills, but how do we instruct, educate, and help him prepare for a possible pandemic?  

 
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not surprizing at all.  As the food supply disapears, you will look for alternate food.  Canibalism should be on the rise soon, even at the risk of HIV in africa.
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Oh lord..this is getting to be too much for my brain to handle!
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Originally posted by phoenixrising phoenixrising wrote:

 I have a neighbor who functions at about age 10-12, he lives on his own, works as a bagger at the local grocery store, pays his bills, but how do we instruct, educate, and help him prepare for a possible pandemic?  

 

 
Oh, my...the above from my original post sounds like a chapter out of The Stand .
 
I'm serious, though.  I worried about him before, as he works until 11p.m.  i stay up and wait for him to ride up on his bike.  I do not wish to alarm or scare him. 
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Originally posted by left field left field wrote:

  As the food supply disapears, you will look for alternate food. 
 
Chickens have been one of the best foodsources for poor people accross the globe. The people keep them in their yards and homes. They provide eggs to the family until the time that the chicken gets sick and/or dies. Then the family usually eats the chicken. This is not so common here in the states, but in poor countries nothing goes to waste. It is not uncommon to eat a sick or recently dead chicken in these countries. People are slower to slaughter and kill a productively egg-bearing chicken unless they have many chickens. The chickens are literally their bank account.
 
Now, many of these people have no chickens. It would be the equivalent of someone draining your bank account. How do you feed your family now? What would you do?
 
I heard someone suggest Rabbits as an alternate food source for these people. "At least Rabbits breed relatively fast." 
 
However, what do you eat when you are waiting for your rabbit to grow big enough to throw in the pot? And now, you have to feed your rabbits too... how will you afford to feed them? Unfortunately, it is not very realistic for a poor family to breed rabbits for food. Chickens at least give eggs until the time you eat the chicken. A rabbit gives nothing before you eat it, except maybe if you are lucky a few more rabbits (but you still have to wait for them to grow too!).
 
This is a terrible tragedy for the worlds poor population. And the majority of the population of the earth is poor... Cry
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by phoenixrising phoenixrising wrote:

Originally posted by phoenixrising phoenixrising wrote:

 I have a neighbor who functions at about age 10-12, he lives on his own, works as a bagger at the local grocery store, pays his bills, but how do we instruct, educate, and help him prepare for a possible pandemic?  

 

 
Oh, my...the above from my original post sounds like a chapter out of The Stand .
 
I'm serious, though.  I worried about him before, as he works until 11p.m.  i stay up and wait for him to ride up on his bike.  I do not wish to alarm or scare him. 
You can't educate, instruct, but you can prepare for him.
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Originally posted by Doodlebug Doodlebug wrote:

This is unbelievable...

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604060230.html
It's totally believable.  It is Africa, right?
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Originally posted by Thomas Angel Thomas Angel wrote:

You can't educate, instruct, but you can prepare for him.
 
You're right.  I'll plan for him, including ppe, food, and water.  I'm more concerned about him having to go to work and getting infected.  WTSHTF, I can attempt to explain to him why he needs to wear a mask, gloves, etc.  I took him with me when we evacuated for Rita.  I guess I now am the adoptive "mom" of this 22 year old as of this minute. Wink 
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Wait wait. Phoenixrising - squirrels?
Please take a look at http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/avian_influenza/affected_species_chart.jsp
 
There is no indication (yet) that squirrels have been infected.
 
justme:  the list does say that the breed "New Zealand White" rabbits have been infected experimentally in a challenge test.
 
Give me a break I was thinking that I could raise rabbits.  Then I thought I could at least shoot some of the squirrels around my place.  What am I gonna have to do eat the grasshoppers?
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Phoenixrising....you are truly a wonderful person....your neighbor is lucky to have you.

As for the origional post....why do they say consumers are in danger? I thought it was suppossed to be safe to eat?

 
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Originally posted by left field left field wrote:

not surprizing at all.  As the food supply disapears, you will look for alternate food.  Canibalism should be on the rise soon, even at the risk of HIV in africa.
 
I am glad you brought up and didn't even want to start that thread.
 
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Buzz, before you go raising white rabbits you might want to talk to Grace Slick.
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WARNING-NOT A CHEERY POST!
 
Oh, yeah, WTSHTF, in the megapolis cities of the world (definitely including USA), people will buy meat from your local black market vendor and not ask what it is.  Most enjoy its similarity to pork.  Sausage will be a common offering.  "Long pork" is an alternate name, but the very hungry don't ask a lot of questions. 
 
Kind of like now, where no one talks about the 10 and 12 year old children who die working to make some of the imported products we enjoy so inexpensively.
 
Your food already has reuse of the human organism going: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
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Phoenixrising,  you go, girl!  I can totally relate to that.  Where I live we have a lot of people who struggle to get by.  Whenever we barbeque or make a big pot of chili or seafood chowder, we circulate food among some of the neighbors.  It's inspiring to hear that there's others out there that look out for their neighbors. 
Also, my travels have taken me to Africa.  If it weren't starving citizens, it would be buzzards and jackals eating those tainted chickens.  BTW, the chickens are probably cooked over open flame - the insides are invariably under-cooked.  The Nigerian government should be held accountable.  Think of all the foriegn aid they get. 
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Long pig, i've heard it tastes like pork--the other white meat. Ick!
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The more I read about BF in Africa, the more convinced I become that Africa will be the epicenter.
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    Good Lord! I want to know why the chickens were not burned, instead of buried? I would assume that unless the carcasses are burned, the virus is just staying in the moist ground. It is true that no one can control what happens to the rural poor.
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