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Posted: July 20 2006 at 4:37pm |
I'm wondering if the BF hits that I can survive these Missouri summers
without AC. I guess I lived in Colorado too many yrs where the humidity
is low.
So besides a swimming pool I dont' have how can we survive the heat waves if the juice goes out? |
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Run, don't walk, but run to the nearest store and get a water spray bottle with a fan attached. They run on batteries, but work really well. I say run because they are only sold during the summer.
There are personal cooling systems you wear like a necklace, battery operated similar to an ipod. I bought four, but haven't tried them yet.
Also, I picked up a battery operated fan at Walmart in the camping dept. for around $12-20. Sorry can't remember exact amount, but wasn't too bad.
Sharper Image boasts about their neck cooling system. Never tried it, but might be worth a shot.
That's all I've got. I need more ideas. Our heat waves are tough too.
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Never2late
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Oldasrocks and you are worried about no A/C? Its hot and it sure would be nice to be inside in the air, but if not just think back to the old days when we didn't have it...you sleep outdoors on the porch (deck now, I guess), wear loose and light clothing, drink fluids, stay in the shade and take it easy. People have lived without A/C for a lot longer than with it....and the basement will stay fairly tolerable....no ac....jeez.
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It's hot as hell in South Texas and I've worried about no A/C too. Not because we can't stand to be without A/C under normal conditions, but will it be okay to be outside if we are in a worst case BF situation. Some seagull is bound to dump on us here. And if people were to die in mass then will there be airborne disease problems? I have no idea.
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Never2...Lots of people struggle with heat related health problems i.e. heat allergies, asthma, and other respiratory complications. When the city declares a heat emergency here in Ohio, we know to stay indoors. Extreme heat over a prolonged period is not just uncomfortable, but can be downright dangerous to the sick, very young, and/or elderly. For some, A.C. is not a frivolous luxury item.
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I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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Sand, The cooling bottles worked well in Colorado but in this 99.999%
humidity they don't work so well. Just walking to the shop today150
yards away my T shirt was wet and sweat dripping off my face. You can
be physically sick in no time here.
I saw those fans and they use 8 D cells in 2 hrs. You'd have to have a truckload of batteries. I've thought about a cattle stocktank rather than one of the cheap plastic swimming pools. But how many hours can you sit in a tank? The pond here actually gets hot. I don't know how the fish survive in it. Maybe I need to buy another propane tank. I can run the gen for about a month 1/2 days now but was figuring just a couple hrs a day to get by longer. |
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AC is a relativly new convienience. People do survive without it. never had air untill I was married. We just went through a heat wave and at my work there was not air. I had to take care of a comatose adult it involved heavy lifting and turning as part of his care. I survived and so did he, even with his multiple health problems. cold water and a washcloth does wonders.
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What about a screen porch on the shady side of the house? We have porch on front and back and I have been thinking about using these with wet burlap on the sides. Something like the iceless refrigerator they have shown in Bacic self- reliance.
IF it comes hopefully it will be in cooler months.
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I worry about the heat also. At least where I am at, it is dry enough that evaporation helps. I think in a hot, humid climate, underground is the only place you can go. If you don't have a basement, or capability to dig an underground shelter, or root cellar, look for an underground parking garage or similar building for relief. This would have it's own set of problems.
The only other alternative I can think of, is insulate the hell out of one room. Open the windows to let the relatively cool air in at night, and button it up during the day.
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Our house is 100 % shade now. The problem is the humidity. There is a lot of days when we don't have a breeze at all.
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Ferocia
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The only way to really adapt to a difficult climate or weather/temperature extremes is to spend a lot of time outdoors year round.
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4thegirls- you are so very right about this Texas heat. Oldasrocks- you crack me up with the how many hours can you sit in a tank...hehehehehe |
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We keep our shades drawn and we drink lots of water.we also have lots of gatorade and lots of other stuff. We also avoid activity during the middle of the day.
We also have lots of fresh fruit for us to eat. We eat lots of oranges, apples, pears and other fruit.
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Y'all may want to consider an extra cord of wood or two. The previous pandemics hit in the fall/winter and had many people freeze to death because they were too sick to chop wood for heat.
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Penham
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Yes, those of us that live in hot areas are definately worried about the heat. Today it was 110, yesterday 109, the day before 107, etc. We have a pool, the water is 90 degrees and it is too hot to swim in the heat of the day with the sun shining down, it is only comfortable after the pool is shaded or before noon before it hits 100. It is not comfortable at all in the daytime even sitting doing nothing if you are outside when it is 109. It does drop to the mid 90's by about 10pm and to about 75-85 in the middle of the night, but it's in the 90's again by 9am. If you tried to sleep outside without a screened porch or some type of net the mosquitoes would eat you alive. Also if we have no electricity, we have no pool after about a day or two, it will start to turn green and nasty without chlorine circulating through and that takes electricity.
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I too worry about it hitting in hot weather. Its been 104 degrees here the last several days in Tennessee. My daughter and I don't do well at all in hot weather, makes us physically ill. Friends say you could hang meat in my house! LOL I bought the battery operated fan at walmart, but haven't tried it out yet. Also bought the cool bandanas. I stocked up on witch hazel hydrosol or distillate (not the kind of witch hazel you find at walmart or drug store, they have alcohol in them.) It's supposed to be real cooling. Thought we would keep them in spray bottles to spritz our faces with. Worse thing that could happen is we have really fantastic skin!! LOL (Supposed to be a great facial toner)
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Southern Mississippi is pretty much a greenhouse (if not a blast furnace) from May until September. A generator will run a small AC, enough to cool a room for sleeping purposes. Other ideas I've heard: waterbeds, sleeping or laying on tile floors. The days will have to be spent outside in the shade (porch, or whatever) and for about $100 you can buy large tents that have a solid top but are screened on all sides. I'm also considering a small ice maker that can run on an inverter or generator, which you could use to store washclothes as well as make ice. Those spray/fan bottles are only a few dollars at WalMart. |
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I bought a hammock to stretch between two trees! I can mix a teaspoon of Joy dishwater liquid and some ammonia to spray through the garden sprayer (if I have water, a hand sprayer if not). It helps keep insects away. I have an umbrella to put over my head but unlikely it would be needed because birds roost at night and they won't roost in a tree with me there and my dogs sleeping underneath! The sun would wake me.
I will be spaying the used portion of my yard with chlorine water anyway.
I found and bought one of the tents mentioned in a local free advertiser for $30.00 (used once). It comes in a bag and is very portable. The one I have is 10x12.
Neither idea would work if the weather is bad.
I have considered buying a generator but am not physically able to use it. I would want one that could be used with a propane tank which I haven't seen locally. All that thinking and planning then one of my daughter-in-laws told me they would be coming here in the motor home (has a generator) and plenty of room for me to sleep. So now I will need cover because they sleep too cool for me! Good luck to all. |
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Many areas of the South do not have basements, due to the clay soil. It is amazing if you keep shades pulled and the windows closed to keep the heat out it works better. Lung disease makes you feel like you are suffocating in the heat. I think we would pretty much turn our days and nights, you also cant cook with windows open if no one else has food. Not in the city, if you heat food when most are sleeping, people cant smell when they sleep, more crime happens at night under darkness while most are asleep so there are a lot of good reasons to switch hours. Summer is a special problem. You can heat up by piling on blankets and use a coffee can with a candle as a furnace, for heat but there is no simple way to cool down. Ponds, lakes could be infected with bf because of birds using them for drink and other. Rivers have current and maybe safer. Tons of clorine in a smaller size pool and you may have to sit in it under a shade tree all day. Use a net to keep the bugs out. In the old days, when people were living without AC and modern convience, they died at about sixty at the oldest, most towns had only a few really old timers. So, I am not so sure they fared alll that well or just died younger from the abuse their bodies took. |
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Heat. Yeah. It's a topic of concern for some i'd guess, unless one was already used to it. Down here on the border, we've had 130 days over 90 and 61 days over 100. A few years back our AC died the hard way...burnt motor and it was sometime before we could get it replaced...about six months actually...and it was summer time here. But we survived, windows open (screens in place) and a fan in each bedroom.
We actually have a misting system on the back porch...it attaches to a water hose and sprays a fine mist of water, and we have ceiling fans (3 of them) there...which we run to keep the giant skeeters at bay...
We never use the mister though. And i'm pretty sure it's a bad concept in any case. Cause if you feel cooler, it's only because of evaporative cooling, and it might cause you to do more than you should in the high heat, resulting in dehydration or worse...at least that's my opinion...
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Hi, never posted before. St. Louis MO had storms Wed night. 600,000 customers without electricity. 100 degree days. Seems like only 1,000 might have been prepared. All the rest came to my county to the west Thurs. morning. All needed supplies, gas, food. Also came to cool down in our malls, movies, casino, etc. Theirs are closed. Real eye opner, they were not prepared for 5 hrs. let alone 5 Days to restore electricity. What a 600,000 customer mess and disaster. prep on it could happen to you any day. |
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Oldasrocks,
We live in Florida and over the last two Hurricane seasons lost power for a few days each storm. What we did was to wet towels and lay them over our bodies. Even in high humidity evaoration will occur and it will cool you off. We didn't have A/C in omaha when I was a kid and thats where I learned this. Jo
PS You have a generator and a large piece of land that is well protected.If you have a septic system also, I'm coming to visit! Along with a half semi trailer of preps! LOL!
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i am worried about the heat as well. We've had a number of days over 110 already and it's early in the season.
I bought one of the fan bottles at Walmart a couple of months ago, they had exactly one!!! Wanted to get at one mor for DH, never saw another one.
Another time-tested trick that helps: Pour some vinegar over four wachcloths, wring them out and wrap around the pulse-points (ankles and wrists). Works well and fast! Also, works with a fever patient.
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We have temperatures in the nineties at the moment in the UK, but its pretty unusual. But we don't have AC in most places. Some big stores have it, but few offices and almost no private homes.
I'd just go for evaporation. Wet towels, or wear wet clothes. Very sexy!
Beth
PS Goodbye "frumpy doomsayers"
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I have the cooling collar from sharper image. the one that wrapps part way around your kneck Forget it, it does not help me. After a few minutes the small amount of air that comes out dosen't help. the inner part thhat touches your neck gets cool, but just as the air it dosen't reallly feel cool. it is annoying to wear and just heats you up more. After a few minutes of wear, forget it. but those few minutes are cool...lol
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I read that people are suggesting using fans and cool water. Now if the
electricity goes down there might be no water. I can pump my own
a few hrs a day and that may be my only saver. Texas girl you are
just thinking of the cannibals cooking me in a pot ha ha.
(sitting in a tank) Trust me I'd be real greasy.
Jo007athome if you're serious E mail me. We have room and an extra pair of eyes would be good. I'll mail you back and tell you how well set us we are. |
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Ok now that we have personally identified with the problem lets move on
to the nursing homes, hospitals, and the countless apartment
houses that would be without electricity.
When on a small town fire dept we had an old guy die and no one noticed for a week that he has not called etc. Imagine a body in a hot house for a week, bloated and smelly. Now multiply this out by thousands. Everyone would be scared to touch or move these bodies. Now bring in the insects, rats, flies etc to the scene |
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All this terrible heat we have been having (not just the US, but the UK as well, I believe), and drought in certain areas..... Two words:
Global Warming
And my advice is, open windows at night, close them all in morning to hold in the cooler temp. and close the shades/curtains. Believe it or not, that makes quite the difference.
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oldasrocks, we have two of these fans ($12.63 at Walmart I believe), and have used them already (we had three power outages recently because of thunder storms). Powerful little fans, my kids loved them, and they work well. They run for 24 hours on 8 alkaline batteries though, not 2 hours. I like 'em. |
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Grace, Thats still 1460 batteries in 6 months.
Hope, Down here in Mo it only cools off a couple degrees at nite and humidity is still HIGH. We could do that in Colorado but not here. Everyone see the nightmare in St Louis? No power in some areas for 3 or 4 days. Imagine a whole city like that for months. |
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Would the fan run on solar batteries that could be recharged? I know we have A and C solar batteries, and a recharger, one may have to get several, but if you could buy a few sets of batterys and chargers and have some charing all the time, it maybe worth it. |
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I found a way to help make our pools stay longer without electricty Penham ! Weather is nasty here too omg is been horrible this year, Couple of years ago we lost out power for days had the major fires here in San Diego, soooo I doubled on the clorine tabs and kept stirring it around and around ( cant take credit on this idea came from my pool man) it wasn't as good as it could have been with filter running but darn close, have to tell you really surprised me !! I am worried if it hits durning hot months. I have 2 asthamtics and they need our air running most of the year it does great filtering, So lets hope its not hot! as far as going outside and sleeping ick west niles is real nasty here Hugsss everyone
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Pebbles, you may want to look into the tents with either the solid top and the rest all netting and a floor where you could put cots outside and not worry about misquitos, or a reg tent they make them now where you can zip down the walls for breeze exposure. Also if you had to leave for a color place, you would have your shelter. I think that the hot summers are going to be worse ( unless your are way up North) then the winters. If I were in MN I would have a good Franklin stove put in and lots of wood. You can heat independently and without electricity. Not so with heat of the summer.
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great idea Vstr thank you very much
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Oldasrocks, I know it's a lot of batteries, but I'm hoping not to use them that much or long. I just had to have something, I have an 18 month old and a 3 year old that will be miserable otherwise, and it was nice to have them fall asleep with.
By the way, they do take rechargables (sp.?) and it has a 12V AC/DC adapter. |
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Jo007athome if you're serious E mail me. We have room and an extra pair of eyes would be good. I'll mail you back and tell you how well set us we are. [/QUOTE] Oldasrocks, check your email. Jo
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I did have wrong addy, check again, LOL.
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We've had some nasty storms this week and had no power on the hottest days. I filled a big pot with cold water and sat with both my feet in it. At the same time I kept cool, wet paper towels on my neck. I also soaked my head and hair under the faucet every so often. I looked kind of funny but I got through it allright. |
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Jo, do you live in the city or country? you are right about chaos. It was evident in St Louis with just a little power outage.
When they say 2,000,000 dead of BF in first two weeks here they did not count auto accidents, people dying from heat or cold exposure, and general panic. |
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Grace, Yes it would take rechargables but think. Why are you using
batteries? Because the juice is down. How would you recharge?
At the last minute I'd buy as many batteries as you can afford then. BAtteries have a shelf life so don't buy too many ahead. |
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Old Red, you get solar battery recharger, and recharge |
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Here is my experience with the OS Cool 10" indoor/outdoor fan (dual power source). I recently posted this info under another topic but can't seem to find it.
It's a nice affordable fan that runs well on both speeds (low and high...I find the low more typical of medium, which is a nice plus). It come with an AC adapter but not the 8 "D" batteries needed for battery power. The box claims it has up up to 72 hour running time on those 8 batteries. When I used it with battery power I didn't test running time, but it did seem to function well. Yes, that is a lot of batteries, I thought. So I bought 8 D rechargeable batteries and a recharger. The 8 batteries were about $25 and so was the recharger. I charged up the batteries and stuck them in. It fan didn't work worth a darn on rechargeable batteries. So I begged the person to take back the 8 rechargeable batteries i had purchased and I decided to keep the charger. Nowhere in the fan literature does it say it will run on rechargeable batteries. i just took it for granted that something that ran on regular D batteries would run on rechargeable D batteries. Guess I was wrong. So, I will use it as a plug-in fan as long as there is power. When I have to run it on batteries I will just know I need to limit the running time severely. And stock up on lots of D batteries. There are small fans made to fit magnetically to tent walls. They use one battery and of course are not very powerful. But they will circulate the air a bit. I think they are made by Coleman. That's all I know about that! Rocky
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How about some palm leaves attached to a pole. Rope on the end of the pole, hang it from ceiling, rope through pulleys to a rocking chair. (won't work for me - no palm leaves here) Grandchilden with a fan might work.
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That's what I was thinking. Thanks for the info on the solar charged batteries, Rocky. Oldasrocks, I was talking about a solar charger as well, otherwise rechargeables still would need the power. I know it is quite a cumbersome way of getting cool, and if it wasn't for my wee ones I might not bother. But they are worth piling the D batteries up. Like I mentioned I would use it just for them falling asleep and the like. Also I was thinking maybe a 12V solar panel might be used for the adapter? |
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Oldasrocks,
I live in the heart of Tampa Bay, have seen some real disorderly conduct without the disruption we are looking at. I can figure that I'll wish for the "good old days" at that point.
The point you make about heat and cold exposure is really revelant, if you were to look at the weather right now (with deaths) and remove electricity from the equation as will happen with AI, the death rate just for that would skyrocket.
And then add in the rest, whew...
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