Suspect H5N1 Patient in Rimouski Quebec Canada?
******** Commentary
November 29 2006

******** has received several independent reports of a nine year old boy hospitalized in Rimouski, Quebec. The patient has pneumonia and is in isolation. More information on H5N1 testing on this patient would be useful.

Patients with H5N1 symptoms in this area are cause for concern. In June, four goslings died on a farm on Prince Edward Island. The birds had H5N1 symptoms and died suddenly. One duck was PCR tested and was confirmed to be H5 positive. The size of the insert was withheld and the Canadian National Labs in Winnipeg failed to confirm the confirmed PCR test on Prince Edward Island and failed to isolate the virus, so no mandatory OIE report was filed.

The refusal to disclose the size of the insert is cause for concern. The Qinghai strain of H5N1 has four additional amino acids in its HA cleavage site, so the insert would be 12 BP larger than low path H5N1. This difference should be apparent in the insert generated by the PCR test, but was not disclosed.

The symptoms associated with the fatal infections in the geese strongly suggested that the H5 was from high path H5N1, since waterfowl are generally resistant top low path H5,

Low path H5 has been isolated throughout Canada and the United States. However, these isolates have been from healthy or hunter killed waterfowl. The testing of dead or dying wild birds in the United States has been minimal. Although 35,000 live or hunter killed birds have been tested, less than 1000 dead or dying wild birds in the continental United States, Alaska, and Hawaii have been tested.

In Canada, over 50% of the live birds tested on Prince Edward Island are positive for avian influenza, but only 106 live birds have been tested (54 positive). This rate is twice as high as 2005 when 61/212 were positive. Prince Edward Island also has the highest percentage of avian influenza in dead birds (39/176).

These high levels of avian influenza raise questions about the sensitivity of the serotype and isolation tests. Details on testing in the United States show that the detection and isolation in live birds is low, and there have been no reports of H5N1 in the summary table of the US program.

The low numbers of tested birds in regions that are linked to H5 positive dead farm geese are cause for concern, as is the hospitalized pneumonia patient.

More data on the testing of this patient would be useful.

    

    
Low path H5 has been isolated throughout Canada and the United States. However, these isolates have been from healthy or hunter killed waterfowl. The testing of dead or dying wild birds in the United States has been minimal. Although 35,000 live or hunter killed birds have been tested, less than 1000 dead or dying wild birds in the continental United States, Alaska, and Hawaii have been tested.
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Good grief!! What is going on? Why are they not testing more dead or dying birds? This makes absolutely no sense to me! I am stepping my prepping up a notch or two after reading this. I pray the little boy is going to be ok. May God have mercy on us all.

    All eyes on Canada....

It appears to be about 300 miles as the birds fly or about 400 driving from PEI. 

This is awful. If this is H5N1 were screwed. It would be here,and new measurements need to be implemented.. Oh my gosh!

I think it came from Niman's posting today.  Here is the link:  http://www.********.com/News/11290601/H5N1_Rimouski.html

Give us that LINK again please. Yours doesnt work...

Containment, stop pushing your agenda, do your self a favor and post your stock pics on the fiancial treads, it's old, roxy

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far ,about 2000 km

"Suspect H5N1 Patient in Rimouski Quebec Canada?

November 29 2006 "


It's more likely C.Difficile. I've informed Henry already.

I'd be more concerned about them culling mice, in addition to pigs, cats and dogs in South Korea.

Hey all - can any of the leaders/reasearcher on here verify anything about this yet??  This is scary!

@ 10:52 vstr wrote:

"Does this mean the virus has gone H2H I am not understanding this. The thing I would take from this news is that, it is easier to catch this stuff then we have been lead to believe from birds, unless I am missing something here. Help"

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No uncontrolled H2H yet. The virus is still playing in the minor leagues. Actually H5N1 has several kissing cousins, Clade 1, Clade 2, and three Clade 2, sub-clades. Any one of these clades or sub-clades is preparing for it's shot at the major leagues.

Might start seeing new people here. The news will spread wether it turns out to be a positive case or not.

Containment wrote: If this is H5N1 its H5N1...It would mean something very bad.... It means H5N1 has reached Canada,and soon the USA. As far as catching this from birds.. If it mutated,or Morphed. Which is what DR.WEBSTER believes could happen. It the DNA changes and the virus is easier to catch? Remember this virus wouldnt attach easily to the mouth,or nasal passages. It was a lower respirtory disease that was infecting humans so far. What the worry is that THIS FLU WILL BE AS EASY TO CATCH AS THE COMMON COLD OR FLU. THE H5/H2 THAT HAPPENED IN 1918 WAS AS EASY TO CATCH AS THE COMMON COLD.....In order for this to happen it has to mutate which is a real threat...

   The hospital is denying that it has any BF patient and is treating this a hoax.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/health/061129/x11299A.html

Here's how they handle questions...

anharra - have you noticed that original post was pulled and you can't access it now.  GG