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Dutch Josh
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Posted: April 29 2020 at 11:43pm |
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I agree DJ. Good they are learning all the time about the virus and they are adapting treatment protocols. Most scientific literature and press now reporting strokes and cardiac arrests including in the young. Some report the removal of clots, just for them to reform in front of surgeons eyes which is unheard of. So major vascular coagulation dysfunction in some patients. They think that the virus is causing mass destruction of ACE2 receptor when it enters the cell ( many viruses enter cells but dont initially destroy the receptor they use, however this virus does). ACE2 is a receptor but importantly it is also an enzyme on endothelium cells ( blood vessels). It acts as a vasodilator to lower blood pressure. ACE2 enzyme probably also has antithrombotic effects ( via the bradykinin-dependent release of t-PA). So widespread viral destruction of ACE2 could lead to loss of control of clotting within the blood vessels. Combine these 2 together in an already inflammatory environment is adding to an already severe pathology. So the thinking is 1) In severe Covid19 the virus has disseminated onward out from the local lung infection, and entered into the full body ( systemic blood vessels. 2) It enters via ACE2 ( just as it had done in the lungs). In doing this it is now destroying ACE2 on blood vessel walls but now on a body wide scale. 3) Depleting ACE2 means the blood vessels all start to constrict as ACE is left unchecked ( vessels become narrow). 3) Loss of ACE2 on blood vessels may ALSO causes widespread systemic blood clotting as control of an anticoagulation pathway is lost. 4) Blood clots in lungs ( breathing) in brain ( strokes) in heart ( cardiac arrest) and have been seen in feet and hands as rash/bruises as clots travel to periphery. 5) The proinflammatory cytokines abundant in systemic system are also interplaying with the pathology. Above is just the basics of the blood vessel system and how it relates to COVID19 but you can look more in depth if interested. I think the treatment that they are adding in to ICU Covid19 patients is heparin and increased tracking of coagulation factors over course of disease. As an aside point. If viral loss of ACE2 inhibiting ACE is causing vasoconstriction and high BP, could this mimics an underlying health condition so possibly wrongly profiling previously healthy COVID19 patients as having undiagnosed high BP. Skew statistics that most people in ICU have underlying when maybe they dont. This information is pooled from various sources but you can read, see and watch opinions on this all over the science journals and medical websites just now so dont want to include an extensive list. Publications from experiences in Chine, Italy, UK, US and from article listed by DJ. The following link goes into much more detail because there are even more complex interactions in the cascade for anyone that is interested. Hz x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Bn8jsGI54&feature=youtu.be |
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Dutch Josh
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Hazelpad thank you for your very good info. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2vB_VITXQ[/url] MedCram; COVID-19 Update 63 with critical care specialist Roger Seheult, MD. Dr. Seheult explains the theory that seems most plausible to us here at MedCram.com: That COVID-19 is primarily a disease of the endothelium (the single layer of cells that line blood and lymphatic vessels). This hypothesis helps explain the increase in cardiovascular complications from COVID-19: strokes, myocardial infarctions, thromboembolism (pulmonary embolism, DVTs, and other blood clots), as well as many critical patients who do not appear to have classic ARDS symptoms (and have relatively normal lung compliance etc. as observed by the research of Dr. Gattinoni in Italy and others). A deep understanding of this theory requires a review of some foundational biochemistry including the electron transport chain and ATP - the energy currency of the body. DJ-High pressure ventilation makes the lungproblem much worse when clotting is the problem. |
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