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Anharra just posted a great thread in the discussion forum addressing some of our questions here.
 
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Two Michigan swans have avian flu; experts quell concerns

Lisa Schnirring * Contributing Writer

Aug 14, 2006 (CIDRAP News) –The federal government announced today that two swans in Michigan tested positive for both the H5 and N1 avian influenza subtypes, but initial genetic sequencing suggests that it is a low-pathogenic type rather than the highly pathogenic H5N1 strain spreading through birds in Asia, Europe, and Africa and causing deaths in humans.

Ron DeHaven, chief veterinary officer for the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), said at a media briefing today that the birds appeared healthy and normal and were part of a group of 20 nonmigratory, resident mute swans that were sacrificed and tested on Aug 8 as part of a population reduction plan at a game area on Lake Erie in southeast Michigan.

Bill Raub, science advisor to the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, said the findings should not cause alarm. "There is no threat to human health, and there is no cause for any special actions," he said. "This is a matter of wildlife biology."

On Aug 9 the samples were tested at Michigan State University's Diagnostic Center for Population and Animal Health, part of the USDA's National Animal Health Laboratory Network, where tests confirmed the presence of an H5 avian influenza virus. The samples were then sent to the USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratory (NVSL) in Ames, Iowa, which is the only national reference laboratory that can confirm the H5N1 virus.

Confirmatory tests at the NVSL lab showed the presence of an H5 virus along with an N1 subtype; however, experts aren't sure if the birds were infected with two separate avian influenza strains or if the findings represent low-pathogenic H5N1. Testing began at the NVSL on Aug 12 to further characterize the virus, and results are expected in about 2 weeks.

An analysis of genetic sequences at the NVSL has already suggested that the avian influenza virus in the swans is similar to the low-pathogenic avian flu virus identified previously in North America. Routine sampling in wild ducks in the United States showed evidence of low-pathogenic H5N1 in 1975 and 1986. The virus has also been detected in Canada as recently as 2005.

"These results are not unexpected in a given surveillance activity," DeHaven said at the media briefing.

Sue Hazeltine, associate director of biology for the US Geological Survey at the Department of the Interior (DOI), said the agency has taken 8,000 wild bird samples since early June. About 4,000 were from dead birds taken by subsistence hunters in Alaska, and the rest were from live birds. "Less than 2% have shown avian influenza of any type, which is standard and what we would expect to find across the country at any point," she said. None have tested positive for low-pathogenic H5N1.

DeHaven said there is no reason to believe the swans had any connections to any commercial poultry operations, and the findings do not provide a basis for any country to impose any trade restrictions on the United States.

On Aug 9 the USDA and the DOI announced they are expanding wild bird monitoring for H5N1 avian influenza beyond Alaska in partnerships with the lower 48 states, Hawaii, and other Pacific islands. Surveillance in Western states in the Pacific flyway during late summer and fall will coincide with the southward migration of birds that have been exposed to Asian species this summer in the Arctic. Surveillance in Alaska has been under way since summer 2005.

See also:

Transcript of Aug 14 USDA/DOI briefing on Michigan swans

Aug 14 USDA fact sheet on low pathogenic vs high pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza

Dec 20, 2005, CIDRAP News article: " H5N1 avian flu viruses: What's in a name?"

Aug 10 CIDRAP News article: "US's wild bird H5N1 monitoring expands beyond Alaska"

 

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Originally posted by argyll argyll wrote:

What low strain are they talking about? I saw a few article on news now bird flu, but no mention of the low path strain. This is coming from the White House, so it seems important.  There are at 6 or more stories floating on the wires.
 
MedClinician -- can you get confirmation on the strain?
 
 


I noticed this just a few minutes ago and you know how carefully all of this must be worded.

I will do some crawling to see if I can get to some further out there links but just a few comments after all this research and work.

1) The release of the info is being done by the book as far as who and how, so it would be highly unlikely if premliminary tests weren't pretty solid, we would not be hearing anything.
2) With a thousand people and now more on this thread is unlikely I can research this quicker than people like Jhetta and Sand.
3) This is probably not new information.

Reading over Sands post - this is looking pretty solid considering who is saying what. As well as someone, somewhere wants it to be said.


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Much is the same info, but read through it.  Interesting nuggets in here.
 

Scientists Studying Possible Case of Bird Flu in U.S.

Lauran Neergaard
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August 14, 2006, 5:32 PM PDT

Scientists have discovered possible bird flu in two wild swans on the shore of Lake Erie - but it does not appear to be the much-feared Asian strain that has ravaged poultry and killed at least 138 people elsewhere in the world.

It will take up to two weeks to confirm whether the seemingly healthy wild mute swans in Michigan really harbored the H5N1 virus or not.

On Monday, the Agriculture Department declared that initial testing had ruled out the so-called highly pathogenic version of H5N1 - but that they could have a relatively harmless, low-grade H5N1 strain instead.

That's the suspicion, making Monday's announcement almost a practice run for the day the more worrisome Asian strain actually arrives.

"This is not the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus that has spread through much of other parts of the world," said Ron DeHaven, administrator of USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, adding, "We do not believe this virus represents a risk to human health."

Monday's announcement was the first reported hit from a massive new program to test up to 100,000 wild birds in an effort to catch the deadly Asian H5N1 virus if it does wing its way to North America, something the government thinks could happen this year.

Were the highly pathogenic H5N1 to be found in any wild birds here, that could trigger additional security steps to prevent infection of commercial poultry flocks, and even more intensive monitoring.

Wild birds, especially waterfowl, are flu's natural reservoir - they carry a multitude of influenza viruses. Sometimes, those strains jump species, and if it's a flu virus very different from one people have experienced before, a worldwide epidemic could result.

That's why scientists have closely tracked the virulent H5N1 strain since it began its global march in late 2003. It is blamed for the death or destruction of millions of birds overseas. Virtually all the people who have caught it did so from close contact with infected birds or their droppings. But scientists worry that the virus eventually could mutate to become easily spread from person to person.

Last week, the government expanded the bird-testing program to encompass the entire nation, after initial sampling mostly in Alaska. Twenty mute swans from a Monroe County, Mich., game area were among the first new batches of tests - because, coincidentally, they were part of a state program to lower overcrowding of the nonnative species. That testing found the possibility of H5N1 in two of the swans.

Initial genetic testing ruled out the deadly Asian strain. In fact, USDA said the virus' genes suggest that it is similar to a low-grade North American version of H5N1, a virus found here in wild ducks in 1975 and 1986 and on a Michigan turkey farm in 2003. Another similar version was detected last year in Canada, and scientists have thought it probably common in wild birds - but didn't have the testing to prove it.

"This is no surprise," DeHaven stressed.

Plus, all the swans appeared healthy, a good signal, he added. The virulent form of H5N1 usually rapidly sickens birds.

So why Monday's announcement? To be open about all this testing, DeHaven said. And even low-pathogenic H5N1 requires monitoring, because it has the potential to mutate into the more virulent form, he added.

More important, "It was a real good test run of the system," Dr. Willie Reed, director of the Michigan State University laboratory where the initial testing was done, told The Associated Press.

Flu strains are named for two proteins that stud the virus' surface. There are 16 known hemagglutinin versions, the "H," and nine neuramindases, the "N."

Michigan State's initial screening tests searched for the presence of H5 or H7, two variants that can signal signs of concern in birds. On Friday, Reed's lab alerted USDA's confirmatory laboratory in Ames, Iowa, that it had found H5 in the two swans.

Over the weekend, more testing at Ames found the N1 protein. That doesn't necessarily mean the swans harbored the H5N1 strain; they could have carried two different flu strains at once, say an H5N2 and an H6N1.

That's a lot of science-speak to say stay tuned: It will take up to two weeks to sort out exactly what the swans had, and to make sure it was a low-pathogen version - by injecting baby chicks with the swans' virus to see if they die.

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First the terroist in Columbus.....now the BF in Lake Erie...which is only 45 minutes from ME!
 
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OK now that our cherry has been popped I see it as just another slow news day - Peace between Isreal and Hezbulah, oil prices have leveled out so news starved media will have a hey day with a couple of low path swans in Michigan.  This is going to turn into a complete circus and some innocent uniformed people will needlessly be misguided by the  sugar-coated propaganda overhyped by the media as breaking news.  Bird flu is already a huge money maker for the sharks and they are only getting warmed up - just wait.  We already have BF video games, I can't wait to see the BF greeting cards next.
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interesting how they can say "low path " beacouse the swans dont have h5n1 but they did find h5 and n1....by definition h5n1 is high path right.im flabbergasted that spin can be used here....
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 our local Michigan news  did a 2 sentence piece on it, and said even if it is the "bad" virus it isn't a risk to public health safety.  Uggg.  we are in so much trouble , when it actually does come here.
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Bird Flu Found in U.S. Isn't Lethal, Early Tests Show (Update3)

Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Two Michigan birds found to be infected with bird flu don't have the lethal form spreading elsewhere in the world, U.S. officials said today.

Initial genetic tests show the two wild mute swans, found in a southeastern Michigan nature preserve, have a mild form of avian flu, or H5N1, that has been detected in North America several times earlier, said Ron DeHaven, the administrator of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, in a news briefing today.

``This is not the highly pathogenic avian influenza that has spread in other parts of the world,'' DeHaven said in the briefing. ``We do not believe that this represents a threat to human health.''

Health officials worldwide are concerned that the lethal type of H5N1 bird flu might take on a form that can spread easily in humans, possibly setting off a worldwide health catastrophe. That stain of the virus has spread to people in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, mostly through direct contact with poultry, killing at least 139, the World Health Organization said today.

Further testing to ensure that the virus found in Michigan can't kill young chickens will take seven to 10 days, the USDA's DeHaven said. The discovery of the mild strain shouldn't be viewed as a reason for any country to impose trade restrictions on U.S. commercial poultry, he said.

Poultry Shares Rise

Shares of Springdale Arkansas-based Tyson Foods Inc., the world's biggest poultry producer, rose 20 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $13.65 at 1:28 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The stock had dropped 24 percent in the past year before trading began today, partly as concerns about avian influenza eroded exports of chicken meat.

Pittsburg, Texas-based Pilgrim's Pride, the No. 2 U.S. poultry company, rose 21 cents, or 1 percent, to $23.37 in New York. The shares had fallen 31 percent over the past year before today.

China confirmed a human death from the deadly form of the H5N1 virus today, and Indonesia reported a case, bringing worldwide infections to 238 people in 10 countries, according to the United Nations' WHO.

The lethal form of H5N1 has never been found in North America. A non-lethal type was found in U.S. birds in 1975 and 1986 and in two ducks in Manitoba in August 2005, according to the USDA Web site. Genetic tests suggest the Michigan swans might have a similar strain, DeHaven said.

`Not a Surprising Event'

Finding the virus was ``not a surprising event to us,'' said Sue Haseltine, associate director for biology at the Interior Department's U.S. Geological Survey, in today's briefing. ``We have been increasing our surveillance for all influenza subtypes through all wildlife species across the country.''

Wild birds commonly carry flu viruses and are considered the reservoir of the disease from which most human influenzas emerge. The birds, two of 20 swans that were tested, probably caught the virus as animals normally do, through contact with infected blood or feces, Haseltine said.

Avian influenzas are known to change quickly, and some strains can mutate from a mild form into a more deadly one. The mild H5N1 virus in North America might mutate into a form more dangerous to birds but presents no danger in its current form, DeHaven said. The tested birds appeared to be healthy, and no other birds in the preserve appeared ill, he said.

The Departments of Agriculture and Interior said Aug. 9 that they would expand testing of wild birds to the lower 48 states. Intensive testing began last year in Alaska and Hawaii, where scientists said migratory birds harboring the virus might return from Asia.

About 8,000 birds have been tested since early June, about half from the catches of native Alaskan subsistence hunters, Haseltine said. Intensive testing in the lower 48 states will begin in August, she said. 


To contact the reporters on this story:
Daniel Goldstein in Washington at 
dgoldstein@bloomberg.net;
John Lauerman in Boston at  jlauerman@bloomberg.net.
 
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I think it is important to note that the H5 strains of avian influenza have been around for some time.  It is only recently in our timeline that the virus made changes in that caused it to become more virolent and lethal in birds and then mamals and humans.  The H5N1 virus made these changes in Asia not in North America.
 
Virologist can track these changes by the looking at the genes that have changed.  So when they look at the recent H5 virus found in Michigan... they can see if it has the changes found in Indonesia, China, etc that make it more deadly... like the PB 627 change.
 
Because H5 and H7 virus... can change from Low Path to High Path... the US and many other countries have procedures in place to test all H5 and H7 virus and ALL H5 virus found in the US are sent to Ames for the following:
 
"Samples will be shipped to a network of laboratories across the country for screening. If a sample contains evidence of the H5 virus, it then gets shipped to Ames, where tests are run over several days to determine if the infected bird carried the H5N1 strain.
 
First, virus from the sample is injected in bird eggs, which are tested five days later to determine whether it is one of 144 strains of bird flu or whether it is another disease such as Exotic Newcastle, which is harmless to humans but deadly to poultry.

If it contains bird flu, the sample is tested to determine whether it is H5N1 or another of the avian influenzas. Only those testing positive for H5N1 go to the lab with the caged chickens.

Eight of these birds, specially bred and disease-free, are injected with virus from the suspect sample. Perhaps within hours, certainly in two days, the birds will begin moving more slowly, perhaps hunching in the corner of the cage and no longer eating and drinking. Their wattles might turn from bright orange to blue.

"If you lose 75 percent of the chickens, or more, then it's high-path," said Brundaben Panigrahy, head of the lab's avian section, using scientists' shorthand for the lethal strain of Asian bird flu.

Although the test results will be announced publicly, likely by officials in Washington, Granger said this will not be a signal of a threat to humans."

 
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Lab Prepares for Bird Flu Testing

Agriculture Department's lab in Ames, Iowa, prepares for bird flu testing
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AMES, Iowa, May. 23, 2006
By LIBBY QUAID AP Food and Farm Writer
(AP) Inside an Agriculture Department building known as C-3, four young chickens strut nervously in their cage. They are part of the government's network of defense against deadly bird flu.

"These are nice, bright, healthy birds," says veterinarian Michelle Crocheck, who is decked out in protective clothing that is part "ER" and part lobster fisherman.

If suspected cases of bird flu are found at other screening labs across the country, the future for Crocheck's charges is grim.

The four fowl _ and hundreds like them _ are key players in a complex testing process at the National Veterinary Services Laboratories that will determine whether the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus has arrived in the United States.

"Lab diagnosis is definitely the centerpiece of the whole avian influenza response," said Larry Granger, who oversees emergency management for the Agriculture Department.

The labs _ normally off-limits to anyone but the scientists who work there _ were opened Tuesday to journalists for a walkthrough of the nation's only internationally recognized bird flu testing program.

Researchers test for bird flu, mad cow disease and many other animal diseases on the 640-acre campus near Iowa State University. The sprawling green lawns and low buildings are under tight security.

Known as the H5N1 strain of bird influenza, the virus spread from Asia, where it's blamed for the slaughter of 200 million birds, to Africa and Europe. The virus has killed at least 124 people.

No one knows whether the virus will reach the U.S. or develop into a strain of deadly flu that can be transmitted easily by humans.

To help determine when and where it arrives, the government has begun a massive testing program. The first phase started in Alaska, where thousands of migratory birds will be captured and swabbed. The birds are considered natural reservoirs for bird flu and can harbor hundred of different flu viruses.

Samples will be shipped to a network of laboratories across the country for screening. If a sample contains evidence of the H5 virus, it then gets shipped to Ames, where tests are run over several days to determine if the infected bird carried the H5N1 strain.

First, virus from the sample is injected in bird eggs, which are tested five days later to determine whether it is one of 144 strains of bird flu or whether it is another disease such as Exotic Newcastle, which is harmless to humans but deadly to poultry.

If it contains bird flu, the sample is tested to determine whether it is H5N1 or another of the avian influenzas. Only those testing positive for H5N1 go to the lab with the caged chickens.

Eight of these birds, specially bred and disease-free, are injected with virus from the suspect sample. Perhaps within hours, certainly in two days, the birds will begin moving more slowly, perhaps hunching in the corner of the cage and no longer eating and drinking. Their wattles might turn from bright orange to blue.

"If you lose 75 percent of the chickens, or more, then it's high-path," said Brundaben Panigrahy, head of the lab's avian section, using scientists' shorthand for the lethal strain of Asian bird flu.

Although the test results will be announced publicly, likely by officials in Washington, Granger said this will not be a signal of a threat to humans.

"If we find this virus in the wild bird population, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a human health risk," Granger said. "Likewise, it doesn't mean there is a risk to commercial poultry."

So far, the virus has mostly affected birds. Those who have died from the virus _ mostly in Asia _ had close contact with infected birds. However, scientists cautioned that the virus could mutate into a form that spreads easily among people and could spark an epidemic.

"Finding it in a migratory bird is an early warning system," Ron DeHaven, head of the Agriculture Department's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, said in a recent interview.

"So it would be cause for us to put out an alert, do some additional surveillance testing and do some education and outreach, in terms of practicing good biosecurity," DeHaven said.

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Awesome post. Jhetta.
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"If a sample contains evidence of the H5 virus, it then gets shipped to Ames."

Does anyone know if it would be clear whether or not there is H5 in a sample?
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Sounds to me like our testing system in the USA is quite Bad.
 
Do one test for part of the virus (H5) in one location then if posative send it off to another location for another test (N1). And in the end if both are posative they can still say it might just be 2 viruses like H5N2 and H7N1.
 
Something just is not passing the smell test here  (Any Opinions)
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Sounds to me like our testing system in the USA is quite Bad.
 
Do one test for part of the virus (H5) in one location then if posative send it off to another location for another test (N1). And in the end if both are posative they can still say it might just be 2 viruses like H5N2 and H7N1.
 
Something just is not passing the smell test here  (Any Opinions)
 
Well, if the CIA and the FBI could not communicate properly before 911 t makes it hard to blame someone later.  Maybe it is the same here.
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And exactly how long does it take to go through two tests at two different locations without conclusive results?
 
And why would anyone ever consider this to be acceptable at any level?
 
This sounds like a testing system set up for delay and denial!!!
 
Who in the #### is in charge in this country
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What did everyone think of the briefing? I am still surprised to hear this so soon . I thought the White House did a great job of informing us. I keep thinking about Ames and the next level of testing. Ames, Iowa testing -- I still can't believe it is here.
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"And exactly how long does it take to go through two tests at two different locations without conclusive results?
 
And why would anyone ever consider this to be acceptable at any level?
 
This sounds like a testing system set up for delay and denial!!!"
 
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!  As the weeks go by,  I see more conflicting stories, policies that make no sense, I see a parody worthy of the Marx Brothers, or probably more like the 3 Stooges, a mixture of obfuscation, partial truths, fantasies, denial, denial, denial.  Basically, the collective human consciousness is not able to handle the horror of The Coming Plague (tip of the hat to Laurie Garrett!). 
 
With all this time to prepare, with all the policies, meetings, handouts, billions spent, we can't even effectively test a couple birds.  There is nobody at the wheel and we are driving straight to hell.  The only efficient action was to issue the reasurrance that there is no problem, no issues, its low path, its a gummy bear, go to sleep children there's nothing in the closet, go to the mall and buy a new big screen TV and watch the Super Bowl (that very well may not occur).  Now THERE'S a disaster that might motivate the public and politicians!
 
 
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Michigan bird flu cases cited in Korea poultry ban

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SEOUL, South Korea - South Korea said Wednesday it was halting inspections of U.S. poultry imports as a precaution - effectively banning such products - after authorities discovered possible bird flu in two wild swans in the state of Michigan.

The South Korean Agriculture Ministry will lift the suspension if the virus is confirmed as a low-pathogenic form, said Oh Soon-min, an official of the ministry's animal health division.

However, he said Seoul would formally ban imports of U.S. poultry if the virus turns out to be the highly pathogenic version of the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu.

On Monday, the U.S. Agriculture Department said that initial tests showed that two wild swans in Monroe County, Mich., did not have the so-called highly pathogenic version of H5N1 - but that they could have a relatively harmless, low-grade H5N1 strain instead.

South Korea imported 26,214 tons of poultry, including chicken, from the United States in the first six months of 2006.

The U.S. Agriculture Department said Monday that initial testing on the swans ruled out the most worrisome version of H5N1 - but that they could have a relatively harmless, low-grade strain instead. Complete tests will take about two weeks.

The H5N1 virus began ravaging Asian poultry stocks in late 2003 and has killed dozens of people worldwide.
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Overview From All Above Articles
 
1. Initial Rapid Tests detected H5N1
2. Second Tests at the very high tech Ames Facility confirmed H5N1
3. Genetic investigation shows that the new H5N1 detected in Michigan is not related to the strain in Asia
4. Protocol requires all H5 virus to be tested in live animals to determine if it is High Path... And testing is currently being carried out on the new H5N1 strain in live chickens at the Ames facility.
5. Disclosure of the above info puts the US at risk of trade bans on our Poulty Products and yet the goverment release the info to the public fully understanding the implications!
6. Low Path H5N1 was detected in Canada August 2005 as well as the US in the past!
 
I don't know what more they can do and I am personally pleased at the transparency so far.
 
Really check.... we know about it and Washington released the information!
 
 
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Me too, Jhetta.  So far, so good.
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"If you lose 75 percent of the chickens, or more, then it's high-path," said Brundaben Panigrahy, head of the lab's avian section, using scientists' shorthand for the lethal strain of Asian bird flu.

If you say so, but just as long as we don't see 60% die and then we come up with MPAI for "medium" path.  
 
 
 
 
 
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Albert,
 
Can't help wonder if you are right -- medium path next time. This kind of reminds me of the rewriting/changing levels with WHO. What I find particulary interesting -- was the fact that LPAI H5NI has not been mentioned or shown up recently anywhere ( please correct me if I am wrong). That is what threw me off from the beginning. It reminds me of the statement MedClinician made -- if they had come and made a statement that was worded different, the response would have been completely different across the board. Two weeks? That's a long time ...
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More Bans...as expected.
 
 

Mexico bans poultry from bird flu-hit Michigan

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Mexico has halted all poultry and bird imports from Michigan, the government said on Wednesday, after U.S. tests revealed two swans in the state were likely infected with a low-pathogen strain of bird flu.

A spokesman for the agriculture ministry said Mexico had stopped all imports of birds from Michigan until further notice.

The Mexican import ban covers imports of poultry, eggs and pet birds, as well as poultry products used for breeding.

U.S. Department of Agriculture officials said on Monday that tests conducted in the state found two swans likely have a low-pathogenic strain of the H5N1 bird flu virus, but had not contracted the deadly strain of H5N1.

Pathogenicity refers to the ability of the virus to produce a disease. A low-pathogenic strain produces less disease and mortality in birds than does a high-pathogenic version.

Further tests on the Michigan swans were underway and would be available in about two weeks, according to the USDA.

The Western Hemisphere so far has had no confirmed cases of the deadly version, which has killed more than 130 people worldwide since late 2003 and led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of poultry.

The low-pathogenic strain of H5N1 has been found six times in the United States since 1975, most recently in 2002. A similar low-pathogenic strain was found in Canada last year.

Mexican authorities killed some 300 birds after detecting low-pathogenic bird flu on homesteads in the southern state of Chiapas in December.

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but could this have anything to do with the tainted meat they were looking for a couple of months ago after smuggled duck meat was found in Detroit??

They had recovered a wharehouse full of it, but there was still much of it unaccounted for....
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two weeks, we'll get plenty of BS hitting the fan during that period.
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That's two countries that have banned imports from MI.  Didn't anyone tell them about LPAI yet?  
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by argyll argyll wrote:

Albert,
 
Can't help wonder if you are right -- medium path next time. This kind of reminds me of the rewriting/changing levels with WHO. What I find particulary interesting -- was the fact that LPAI H5NI has not been mentioned or shown up recently anywhere ( please correct me if I am wrong). That is what threw me off from the beginning. It reminds me of the statement MedClinician made -- if they had come and made a statement that was worded different, the response would have been completely different across the board. Two weeks? That's a long time ...
 
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I have mentioned Low Path H5N1 many times on these boards and several times in this post.  Two weeks to complete the tests on live chickens is resonable.  The incubation periods have been cited as long as 21 days... however it is most likely 4 to 7 days.  They inject live virus into live birds and watch for disease.
 

Here are a few that have been sequenced... in the US, Mexico and I included just a few for Canada...Note only those that have been sequenced are included.

Note they are culling for H5 and H7 even if they are low path because they can become high path!

Strain Year Serotype
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/169/75 1975 H5 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/944/82 1982 H5 
A/Mallard/Ohio/86 1986 H5 
A/Mallard/Ohio/556/87 1987 H5 
A/Emu/Texas/39924/93 1993 H5 
A/Chicken/Hidalgo/26654-1368/94 1994 H5 
A/Chicken/Mexico/31381-1/94 1994 H5 
A/Chicken/Mexico/31381-7/94 1994 H5 
A/Chicken/Queretaro/14588-19/95 1995 H5 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/428/75   1975 H5N1 
A/Gull/Pennsylvania/4175/83 1983 H5N1 
A/turkey/Colorado/72 1972 H5N2 
A/mallard duck/Alberta/57/1976 1976 H5N2 
A/duck/Hong Kong/342/78 1978 H5N2 
A/duck/Michigan/80 1980 H5N2 
A/mallard duck/Alberta/645/1980 1980 H5N2 
A/mallard duck/Alberta/645/1980 1980 H5N2 
A/mallard/Alberta/645/80 1980 H5N2 
A/mallard/MI/18/80 1980 H5N2 
A/mallard/MN/25/80 1980 H5N2 
A/duck/MN/1516/1981 1981 H5N2 
A/duck/MN/1564/81 1981 H5N2 
A/Turkey/Minnesota/3689-1551/81 1981 H5N2 
A/turkey/TX/14082/81 1981 H5N2 
A/mallard/NY/189/82 1982 H5N2 
A/turkey/MN/1704/82 1982 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/1/83 1983 H5N2 
A/chicken/Pennsylvania/8125/83 1983 H5N2 
A/Turkey/Virginia/6962/83 1983 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Virginia/40018/84 1984 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Washington/13413/84 1984 H5N2 
A/duck/Pennsylvania/84 1984 H5N2 
A/Mallard Duck/Pensylvania/10218/84 1984 H5N2 
A/Turkey/Virginia/40018/84 1984 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Florida/27716-2/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Massachusetts/11801/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Chicken/New Jersey/12508/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Ohio/22911-10/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/10210/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Quail/Oregon/20719/86 1986 H5N2 
A/Chicken/New York/12004-3/87 1987 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Florida/22780-2/88 1988 H5N2 
A/Mallard/Ohio/345/88 1988 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Florida/2507/89 1989 H5N2 
A/ruddy turnstone/Delaware/244/91 1991 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/13609/93 1993 H5N2 
A/Emu/Texas/39442/93 (HP progeny) 1993 H5N2 
A/Emu/Texas/39442/93 (non-HP parent) 1993 H5N2 
A/Emu/Texas/39924/93 1993 H5N2 
A/chicken/Hidalgo/232/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Hidalgo/26654-1368/94 1994 H5N2 
A/chicken/Hidalgo/28159-232/1994 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Jalisco/14585-660/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Mexico/26654-1374/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Mexico/31381-2/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Mexico/31382-1/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Puebla/14585-622/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Puebla/14586-654/94 1994 H5N2 
A/chicken/Puebla/8623-607/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Puebla/8623-607/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Puebla/8624-604/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Queretaro/14588-19/94 1994 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Queretaro/26654-1373/94 1994 H5N2 
A/chicken/Guanajuato/28159-331/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Hidalgo/28159-460/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Jalisco/28159-600/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Mexico/28159-541/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Morelos/28159-538/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Puebla/28159-474/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Queretaro/14588-19/95 1995 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Queretaro/7653-20/95 1995 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Queretaro/7653-20/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/VeraCruz/28159-398/95 1995 H5N2 
A/Turkey/Minnesota/10734/95 1995 H5N2 
A/chicken/Mexico/37821-771/96 1996 H5N2 
A/chicken/Chiapas/15224/97 1997 H5N2 
A/chicken/Chiapas/15405/97 1997 H5N2 
A/chicken/Chiapas/15406/97 1997 H5N2 
A/chicken/Chis/15224/1997 1997 H5N2 
A/chicken/Mexico/15407/97 1997 H5N2 
A/Chicken/Mexico/26654-1374/97 1997 H5N2 
A/chukkar/MN/14591-7/98 1998 H5N2 
A/chukkar/MN/14951-7/98 1998 H5N2 
A/mallard/MN/133/98 1998 H5N2 
A/pheasant/NJ/1355/98 1998 H5N2 
A/avian/NY/31588-3/00 2000 H5N2 
A/avian/NY/53726/00 2000 H5N2 
A/chukkar/NY/51375/00 2000 H5N2 
A/duck/NY/44018-2/00 2000 H5N2 
A/duck/NJ/117228-7/01 2001 H5N2 
A/mallard/AR/1C/2001 2001 H5N2 
A/duck/ME/151895-7A/02 2002 H5N2 
A/duck/NY/185502/02 2002 H5N2 
A/duck/NY/186875/02 2002 H5N2 
A/duck/NY/191255-79/02 2002 H5N2 
A/turkey/CA/D0208651-C/02 2002 H5N2 
A/turkey/CA/D0208652-C/02 2002 H5N2 
A/chicken/TX/298313/04 2004 H5N2 
A/parrot/CA/6032/04 2004 H5N2 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/169/75 1975 H5N3 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/169/75 1975 H5N3 
A/goose/Hong Kong/23/1978 1978 H5N3 
A/turkey/CA/6878/79 1979 H5N3 
A/herring gull/New Jersey/402/1989 1989 H5N3 
A/herring gull/New Jersey/406/1989 1989 H5N3 
A/ruddy turnstone/NJ/2242/00 2000 H5N3 
A/chicken/TX/167280-4/02 2002 H5N3 
A/gull/Delaware/4/2000 2000 H5N4 
A/gull/Delaware/5/2000 2000 H5N4 
A/shorebird/Delaware/109/2000 2000 H5N4 
A/shorebird/Delaware/230/2000 2000 H5N4 
A/shorebird/Delaware/243/2000 2000 H5N4 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/34/75 1975 H5N6 
A/Mallard/Wisconsin/34/75 1975 H5N6 
A/duck/Potsdam/2216-4/1984 1984 H5N6 
A/shorebird/Delaware/101/2004 2004 H5N7 
A/shorebird/Delaware/75/2004 2004 H5N7 
A/herring gull/Delaware/281/98 1998 H5N8 
A/shorebird/Delaware/207/98 1998 H5N8 
A/shorebird/Delaware/27/98 1998 H5N8 
A/duck/NY/191255-59/02 2002 H5N8 
A/Turkey/Ontario/7732/66 1966 H5N9 
A/Turkey/Ontario/7732/66 1966 H5N9 
A/turkey/Wisconsin/68 1968 H5N9 
A/Mallard/Ohio/556/1987 1987 H5N9 
A/Turkey/Oregon/71 1971 H7 
A/magpie-robin/China/28710/93 1993 H7 
A/chicken/Jalisco/1994 1994 H7 
A/chicken/New York/1995 1995 H7 
A/duck/Mongolia/736/02-duck/Hokkaido/49/98 1998 H7 
A/rhea/North Carolina/39482/93 1993 H7N1 
A/Shorebird/Delaware/39/95 1995 H7N1 
A/gull/Delaware/2838/87 1987 H7N2 
A/laughing gull/Delaware/2838/87 1987 H7N2 
A/gull/Italy/692-2/93 1993 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/13142-5/94 1994 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/4447-7/94 1994 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/13142-5/94 1994 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/4447-7/94 1994 H7N2 
A/Turkey/New York/4450-5/94 1994 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/13833-7/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/13833-7/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/13833-7/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/19542-5/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/3112-1/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/19542/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/3112-1/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/Rhode Island/4328/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Guinea Fowl/New York/13820-3/95 1995 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/3202-7/96 1996 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/8030-2/96 1996 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/13202-7/96 1996 H7N2 
A/Guinea Fowl/Pennsylvania/7777-1/96 1996 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/6777-3/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/6777-3/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/9701027/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/9701027B/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/9701524/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/9701530/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/11767-1/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/11767-1/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/11767-1/97 1997 H7N2 
A/GuineaFowl/NY/13820-3/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Quail/PA/20304/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Turkey/PA/7975/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Turkey/Pennsylvania/7975/97 1997 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/9777-7/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/1387-8/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/21665-73/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/3572/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/6013-19/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/6031-19/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/13552-1/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/9801289/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/13552-1/98 1998 H7N2 
A/GiuineaFowl/NJ/13246-9/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Goose/New Jersey/8600-3/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Goose/NJ/8600-3/98 1998 H7N2 
A/GuineaFowl/NJ/13246-9/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Quail/New York/13989-51/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Quail/NY/13989/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Quail/PA/20304/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Turkey/NJ/9778-8/98 1998 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New Jersey/20621/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New York/34173-3/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/15814-9/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/15827/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/16224-6/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/17206/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/20621/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/1398-6/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/14714-2/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/14858-12/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/21586-8/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/22409-4/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/34173-3/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Quail/NY/11430/99 1999 H7N2 
A/ruddy turnstone/Delaware/130/99 1999 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/70411-12/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/73063-6/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/74211-2/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/76247-3/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/7729-6/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/81746-5/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Chicken/New Jersey/30739-6/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/30739-6/00 2000 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/30749-3/00 2000 H7N2 
A/pheasant/NJ/30739-9/2000 2000 H7N2 
A/Avian/NY/118353-1/01 2001 H7N2 
A/Chicken/FL/90348-4/01 2001 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/118555-2/01 2001 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NY/119055-7/01 2001 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/143586/01 2001 H7N2 
A/unknown/NY/74211-5/2001 2001 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/150383-7/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/151244-18/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Chicken/NJ/608/02 2002 H7N2 
A/chicken/PA/143586/2002 2002 H7N2 
A/Chicken/PA/149092-1/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Chicken/VA/32/02 2002 H7N2 
A/GuineaFowl/MA/148081/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Turkey/NC/11165/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Turkey/VA/158512/02 2002 H7N2 
A/Turkey/VA/67/02 2002 H7N2 
A/chicken/MD/MINH MA/03 2003 H7N2 
A/Turkey/Oregon/71 1971 H7N3
A/pheasant/MN/917/1980 1980 H7N3
A/Turkey/Oregon/71 1971 H7N3 
A/turkey/TX/1/79 1979 H7N3 
A/pheasant/MN/917/1980 1980 H7N3 
A/turkey/Minnesota/1237/80 1980 H7N3 
A/turkey/Minnesota/916/80 1980 H7N3 
A/turkey/MN/1200/80 1980 H7N3 
A/mallard/Alberta/699/81 1981 H7N3 
A/Chicken/Pennsylvania/21525/83 1983 H7N3 
A/gadwall/MD/3495/83 1983 H7N3 
A/ruddy turnstone/New Jersey/65/1985 1985 H7N3 
A/turkey/CO/13356/91 1991 H7N3 
A/Turkey/Colorado/13356/91 1991 H7N3 
A/Chicken/New Jersey/15086-3/94 1994 H7N3 
A/chicken/NJ/15086-3/94 1994 H7N3 
A/Quail/Arkansas/16309-7/94 1994 H7N3 
A/chicken/Pakistan/16/99/95 1995 H7N3 
A/chicken/Pakistan/447/95 1995 H7N3 
A/chicken/Pakistan/CR2/95 1995 H7N3 
A/chicken/Queensland/667/95 1995 H7N3 
A/Turkey/Utah/24721-10/95 1995 H7N3 
A/mallard/MN/187/98 1998 H7N3 
A/mallard/MN/190/98 1998 H7N3 
A/mallard/MN/284/98 1998 H7N3 
A/mallard/MN/88/98 1998 H7N3 
A/Chicken/New York/12273-11/99 1999 H7N3 
A/Chicken/NY/12273-11/99 1999 H7N3 
A/Chicken/NY/14714-9/99 1999 H7N3 
A/pintail/MN/423/99 1999 H7N3 
A/laughing gull/NY/2455/00 2000 H7N3 
A/blue-winged teal/TX/2/01 2001 H7N3 
A/Duck/NJ/117228-7/01 2001 H7N3 
A/Duck/PA/143585/01 2001 H7N3 
A/Duck/Nanchang/1944/93 1993 H7N4 
A/chicken/NSW/1/97 1997 H7N4 
A/blue-winged teal/TX/11/01 2001 H7N4 
A/blue-winged teal/TX/11/01 2001 H7N4 
A/ruddy turnstone/Delaware/2770/87 1987 H7N5 
A/ruddy turnstone/Delaware/2378/1988 1988 H7N7 
A/chicken/Ireland/1733/89 1989 H7N7 
A/non-psittacine/England-Q/1985/89 1989 H7N7 
A/red knot/New Jersey/325/1989 1989 H7N7 
A/RedKnot/Delaware/259/94 1994 H7N7 
A/mallard/MN/17/99 1999 H7N7 
A/ruddy turnstone/Delaware/134/99 1999 H7N7 
A/Duck/Ohio/421/87 1987 H7N8 
A/mallard/Alberta/114/1999 1999 H7N9 
A/ruddy turnstone/DE/1538/00 2000 H7N9 
A/ruddy turnstone/DE/629/00 2000 H7N9 
A/ruddy turnstone/DE/629/00 2000 H7N9 
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Our Chicken has been banned in other countries for H5 and H7 in the past.
 
U.S. Faces Trade Bans Over H7 Bird Flu

WASHINGTON - Feb 11/04 - SNS -- The avian flu situation in the United States took a turn for the worse with the discovery of a second flock of chickens infected with the milder H7 strain of avian influenza -- one which is not capable of being transferred to humans. This is completely different from the dangerous, H5N1 strain sweeping through Asia. . . . Continue or visitors click here

 
Ukraine Will Not Ban All U.S. Chicken

KIEV - Feb 17/04 - APK -- According to the State Department of Veterinary Medicine, Ukraine at the moment is not going to ban imports of chicken meat, products and raw materials, because of the "bird flu" cases, detected in some states. . . . Continue or visitors click here

 
Bans on Canadian Poultry Mount

OTTAWA - Feb 20/04 - SNS -- Temporary bans on imports of Canadian poultry started to mount within the first 24 hours after the announcement the H7 strain of avian influenza was found on a poultry farm in the province of British Columbia. . . . Continue or visitors click here

Bird Flu Found in Texas

AUSTIN - Feb 20/04 - SNS -- A flock of chickens in Gonzales County in Texas has tested positive for the H7 strain of avian influenza (AI), a contagious viral respiratory infection of poultry and birds, according to officials with the state veterinary service. . . . Continue or visitors click here

Canada Confirms Low Pathogenic Bird Flu

OTTAWA - Feb 20/04 - SNS -- Laboratory tests confirm the strain of avian influenza found on a British Columbia farm is the low pathogenic H7 strain, reports the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA). . . . Continue or visitors click here


Slight Dip In January Egg Output

WASHINGTON - Feb 23/04 - SNS -- Egg production in the United States slipped below year earlier levels during January, totalling 7.38 billion, according to the USDA. . . . Continue or visitors click here


H5 Strain of Avian Influenza in Texas

WASHINGTON - Feb 23/04 - SNS -- The U.S. Department of Agriculture today confirmed that the H5N2 strain of avian influenza in a flock of chickens in Texas is highly pathogenic avian influenza, the first such case in the United States in 20 years. . . . Continue or visitors click here


U.S. Faces Wider Poultry Bans

WASHINGTON - Feb 24/04 - SNS -- The number of countries and regions banning imports of U.S. poultry and products rose sharply over night following the USDA's admission the strain of avian influenza found in the state of Texas was the highly pathogenic H5N2 strain. . . . Continue or visitors click here


Canada Restricts, Mexico Bans U.S. Poultry

WASHINGTON - Feb 24/04 - SNS -- Mexico has closed its border to all imports of U.S. origin chicken and products on account of the discovery of the highly pathogenic H5N2 strain of avian influenza on a farm in Texas. . . . Continue or visitors click here


FAO Warns Bird Flu Controls Must Continue

ROME - Feb 25/04 - SNS -- The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) warns that efforts to control and prevent the spread of avian influenza cannot be relaxed until it is clear the disease has been brought under control. . . . Continue or visitors click here

More info for 2002, 2003, 2005 at bottom of this page http://www.statpub.com/statpoulfeb04.html
 
 
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H5N2 used to be the low path.  Now H5N1 has a low path too? 

I would expect more bans to follow.   It's hard to say what this could lead to for MI poultry, or worse. 
 
 
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Jhetta,

Thanks for the clarification on the LPAI H5NI. I guess what I was trying to say was that I hadn't heard much in the media on the way of LPAI "North American" H5NI. I did see your sequences and am aware of LPAI in the past (especially after the White House Briefing). For the record--You have done a great job of listing references and information here, and I really appreciate your efforts. You bring a lot of expertise to this area.  There is a lot of information out there for the layperson to muddle through, so thanks for bringing me up to speed --"Argly." -- Argyll.
 
p.s. That is a lot of sequencs for H5 and H7 listed  in the U.S.--
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Saw on tv last night that in pierce county panel meets to
pass city ordinance to require non-conmercial bird breaders to conform to guidelines on keeping birds and inspections by vets under department of agriculter quidence and rules adopted into city. Good job pierce county.
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I personally think the potential for a trade ban is why we have not seen prior disclosures of H5N1 here and elsewhere as well.  The economic tolls are going to be disasterous.   We know from experience what one sick cow did to our meat industry so holding off disclosure of H5N1 as long as possible should be expected.  So could it be that since they are finally disclosing the finding of H5N1 here means this this is closer and or bigger than we have been told so far.  Tony Snow the new white house spokesman did an expert job handling the original white house conference on this which for me presents an interesting dillema.  When he was a reporter/radio guy he would eat white house spokesmen for breakfast and was relentless and lethal in getting to the truth on subjects.  So I am worried his expertise will give the white house the upper hand in protecting the truth and manipulation of the facts as they see fit.
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I too think the White House made a good move.  I'm glad to see that they are on top of it.   

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Countries are definitely jittery about this.  They've banned poultry in the past, but from what I could tell of Jhetta's posts, viruses were found in chickens on poultry farms.  This is a little different, since these are wild birds on a nature preserve.  Maybe  the public should tell their governments not to panic, instead of vice versa.
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GR I agree!

Aside from being asleep at the wheel, a countries government would not want to appear non-responsive to an outbreak at all.  This is the catch-22 of the pandemic....to respond or repress....either way you are screwed.  You respond, you alert the world you are infected and become poisonous with any product you desire to sell; if you repress vital information and you are found guitly of deception, you are further shunned by a world better served by more trustworthy allies.  Unfortunately, it's really all about world economics and ordinary citizens will pay the price.
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Russia to Halt U.S. Poultry Imports Over Fears of Bird Flu

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Russia, the world’s largest poultry importer, may halt its imports of the product from the U.S. state of Michigan, because two birds infected with avian influenza (bird flu) were discovered there last week, the country’s Federal Veterinary Service said on Wednesday, Aug. 16.

The service will tighten controls over U.S. poultry supplies while it waits for an official report from the United States, the Interfax agency reported, citing an interview with Alexei Alexeyenko, the veterinary service’s press secretary.

The two Michigan birds found to be infected with avian influenza do not have the lethal form that is spreading elsewhere in the world, U.S. officials said on Aug. 14.

Control over U.S. meat exports is one of the last issues to be resolved in the WTO accession negotiations between Russia and the United States. The two countries were expected to sign the final protocol on the eve of the G8 summit, which took place in St. Petersburg in the middle of July. After months of negotiations the sides were able to reach agreements on contentious issues from access of foreign banks and insurance companies to the Russian markets and protection of intellectual property in the country, which is ridden with copyright piracy. But at the last moment the sides failed to reach an agreement on meat and poultry exports. The United States demanded that the exports be allowed freely, without any additional examinations by the Russian veterinary authorities. The Russian side insisted that special veterinary commissions have to check the U.S. producers that want to export their products to Russia before they are given the green light. The bird flu case is likely to give the Russian side a new trump card in negotiations regarding this issue.
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This is just game playing... they were already balking on the poultry trade issue... the talks broke down last month.
 
Russia has active H5N1 infections of the virolent Asian variety in many regions!
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Jhetta,
 
I read the article on the Russian ban -- excellent story. Any idea how many miles between Russia -- Siberia and Alaska?
 
Note: Thanks candles for the links. 55 miles is kind of close.
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Of course it's game playing.  S. Korea and Mexico went first and now Russia.  I'm waiting to see what Canada will do since it's in N. America. One major outbreak in the U.S. and a lot, if not all, of the exports will stop.
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Originally posted by argyll argyll wrote:

Jhetta,
 
I read the article on the Russian ban -- excellent story. Any idea how many miles between Russia -- Siberia and Alaska?
 
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