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there are newer articles further on in the thread also on Niptha- Medclinician http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926663.500-virulent-hendra-virus-has-new-symptoms-in-horses.html?feedId=health_rss20 AUSTRALIA is experiencing the biggest outbreak of the highly virulent Hendra virus since the disease was identified in 1994. Worse, a change in the symptoms in horses suggests that new strains may have emerged. The big worry is that a strain capable of spreading from human-to-human will follow. Hendra virus originated in fruit bats but passed to horses and then people, where it tends to affect the nervous system, causing headaches, convulsions and coma. It can be fatal. As New Scientist went to press, the latest outbreak had infected two people, who remain in hospital, while 50 more are being tested. Classic horse symptoms are laboured breathing, frothy nasal discharge, a swollen muzzle and death within days. This time, however, horses have mainly suffered neurological symptoms such as paralysis and loss of balance. This, along with "very preliminary sequencing data", suggests that "there is a cluster of strains that differ in their pathogenesis and infectivity", says Hume Field of the Australian Biosecurity Cooperative Research Centre for Emerging Infectious Disease. Such a cluster makes it more likely that a strain that can pass between humans will arise. comment: well there you have it and just as I thought. We get all hyped about H1N1 and here comes a newbie. And it has jumped into people. And they are in the hospital and others are being testing. Well..you read it here. When this becomes the next Pandemic- we have yet to see if it will kill those infected. If it does- we may be looking at what Piggy Flu is not yet- highly virulent. not if, but when Medclinician |
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You guys should really watch this one. It has nasty potential. While some are musing over an H1N1 H5N1 recom- this guy has jumped to people and this in a Pandemic would be downright evil.
http://www.csiro.au/multimedia/Reducing-Spread-of-Deadly-Horse-Virus.html The Hendra virus was first recognised in Queensland in 1994, and since then, infection in horses has sporadically occurred with at least two outbreaks recorded in four of the past five years. Of the 11 equine outbreaks, four have also led to infection of humans with three of the six known human cases being fatal, the most recent of these in August 2008. In a project led by Dr Deborah Middleton, from CSIRO’s Australian Animal Health Laboratory, a number of infected horses were studied to determine the early signs of infection and establish how best to manage infected horses and prevent further spread of the disease. In this podcast Dr Middleton explains how the virus is transmitted from horse to horse and from horse to human, and also the methods for early detection that are being investigated. It isn't 63%-83% Avian but its 50% which is close to the Bubonic Plague and Black Death in Europe. For a late night chiller if 40% got this that is 1.2 billion deaths if it could mutate to be as contagious as h1n1. It is very contagious in horses.Just when you thought the mild H1N1 would pass the way of the H5N1 threat.. This one should be watched and we are. Medclinician |
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Gee Med, don't we have enough to worry about ...Horse Flu!! LOL, Elizabeth I'm coming! LOL!
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:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5dHXzmV24U&feature=related I'm so tired.... wish I was in Australia. I'll have to put info i collected ...on AFT tomorrow.
Med... did you see the article on it in National Geographic?
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Mary you can come visit with us here in Australia.You'll have to bunk in the "swine flu room" though.(no raiding the"treats" section but gee I don't know why I bother.They keep finding them.LOL
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Greetings. Glad to see that this new trouble is getting a bit of attention. The thing is, people get Hendra from horses, and horses catch it from bats, but where do the bats find it? The best guess so far is that Hendra takes refuge in pigs, where it might lie dormant, much like Nipah, which is transmitted by the same bats (Pteropus) and almost identical but not dormant. Nipah has infected people through contact with pigs, which is how we got onto that, when about 250 people died from it (40% of those infected) in Malaysia about ten years ago. The Malaysians culled over a million pigs to stop that outbreak, which had resulted from piggeries being placed close to fruit orchards that were frequented by the vampire bats. Likewise, pig and horse ranches in Australia are in increasing proximity. Well, pig farms are everywhere now, aren't they?
The good news is that none of these transmit human to human yet, and we're on to some effective treatments. The bad news is that people catch Nipah and Hendra quite easily from pigs and horses, respectively, so nasty stuff might follow soon. |
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Hi Med,
Hendra Virus is not a current threat in Australia.
We had a problem here in 2008 on the east coast of Australia, but that was cleared up quickly. To my knowledge, only 1 person died, a vet who was treating sick horses.
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thank you Lilac... I think the flu room would do ok :) such a beautiful country. My nephew visited there in college. Daughter knows a family near Perth. I think today is the day the Austalian Military will join us with UK, Mexico, Canada.
NLE 09 is a White House directed, Congressionally- mandated exercise that includes the participation of all appropriate federal department and agency senior officials, their deputies, staff and key operational elements. In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated. This year the United States welcomes the participation of Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom in NLE 09.
http://wearechangebrisbane.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/australias-involvement-in-femas-nle-09-exercise/
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there is an article on emerging Diseases (hendra also) in the Oct. 2007 edition of the National Geographic. Note: National Geographic has some unsettling photos ...
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Hi Everyone,
I am not sure this thread should be in latest news.
HENDRA VIRUS IS NOT A CURRENT THREAT IN AUSTRALIA....... there are no people in hospital, no-one has died, there is no outbreak.
The story Med posted refers to an outbreak that happened here in 2008. Since then early detection protocols have been introduced, AQIS (Australian Quarantine Inspection Service) and Customs are on top of this issue.
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I love Australia but I would be scared to visit. Man they had a program on Discovery Channel about all the poisonous spiders, snakes, animals...it was scary! I think it is a beautiful country with wonderful strong people but not sure I would visit. My luck I would get bitten by that spider that kills ASAP. LOL! How am I ever going to survive this flu thing???
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wait... you left out some very cool frogs.
not this one...
Freddo Frog is Australia's most popular children's chocolate.[1] It was invented in 1930 by Harry Melbourne, an 18 year old (chocolate) moulder, employed by MacRobertson's Chocolates. The company was founded by Sir Macpherson Robertson as Mac Robertson Steam Confectionery Works. Macpherson Robertson died in 1945 and in 1967 his heirs sold the company to English confectioner Cadbury's which in 1969 merged with Schweppes Australia to become Cadbury Schweppes.
Cadbury Schweppes continue to produce many of the company's products. Surviving Macrobertson lines include
Cherry Ripe, Old Gold, Freddo Frog, Cadbury Snack and Bertie Beetle.
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When i lived in Virgina... my friends explained to me the need of shaking out my shoes before putting them on ... NORTHERN BLACK WIDOW :)
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(had no idea it was in NY)
here are venomous spiders by state. :O
I feel Australia has the best frogs...
White-lipped Tree Frog
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White's Tree Frog, or Dumpy Tree Frog
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You realize this is a continuing pattern. Actually I have information on two viruses which not only are a viral threat, but a bio weapons threat as well. Basically, it goes like this. I find something that is fairly well off the mainstream. Much like we found the triple recombination in 2005 which now has caused our Pandemic- this even a year later becomes old news. We already knew that.
Well, we already knew about H1N1 in 1998. In fact we tracked the growing threat with scientist after scientist warning about the problem from 2005. I put up in 2006 concerning other strains than H5N1 would be the carrier of the next Pandemic, so now I am trying to alert people to two viruses which are likely to mutate into two more Pandemics. Understand, it took CDC one year from when Avain was reported in 2002 in a human in New York to even report it and to this day it is basically off the mainstream. There is current work being done not only researching this virus but also in developing it for other uses. Just because it is not on the search engines does not mean there are not sources of information it is a problem. This is the problem. Over and over it has been stressed that the main stream is heavily monitored and getting information out there is tough. Everyone puts the name in Google and Yahoo and can't find anything and thinks- well ... Also, we have had a post glad that we are addressing this isssue. It is not over. It wasn't handled in 2008 totally. Was H3N2? Hardly. Don't be too eager to moth ball this. Hendra Virus and Nipath are not so sleeping dragons. It may not fit into the wild stamped to post on H1N1 now which is the BIG DEAL- but these are bigger deals because like H5N1 they are higher path. It doesn't make a huge difference if 2 billion people get pig flu, if the percentage stays low. So, as usual, setting up the dunking chair- one needs to see a pattern. Something important comes out, and then something tries to snuff it. Some people are not aware that on the web pages they may post a page with a current date of a year old article. This happens all the time. Dates on articles are changed, data is constantly modified, and at least 50 times I have fallen into the trap of a current article having its date changed. Then the second hit on this is some article about something totally unrelated is posted which kills the thrusts of the thread. We need to focus on this virus and its current threat. There is a time delay on some of this stuff. Sometimes sensitive stuff is suppressed for months. So then when it hits everyone says ah thats old news. That is the point to make it old news. And then what is happening now will be delayed for two more months. Getting whats now it very hard. It is often classified or snuffed. ScienceDaily (Apr. 20, 2009) —
CSIRO Livestock Industries' scientists working at the Australian Animal
Health Laboratory (AAHL), in Geelong Victoria, have made a major
breakthrough in better understanding how Hendra spreads from infected
horses to other horses and humans. Funded by the Australian Biosecurity CRC for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Dr Deb Middleton and her team at AAHL have defined the period following the first signs of disease when horses are most likely to shed Hendra virus and therefore infect other horses and people. First identified in Brisbane in 1994, Hendra virus, which spreads from flying foxes, has regularly infected horses in Australia. Of the 11 equine outbreaks, four have led to human infection, with three of the six known human cases being fatal, the most recent of these in August 2008. Dr Deb Middleton and her team at AAHL have defined the period following the first signs of disease when horses are most likely to shed Hendra virus and therefore infect other horses and people. Dr Middleton says limited information in the past, on when the disease can transmit, has made it difficult to manage infected horses to stop Hendra spreading further to people and other susceptible horses. "Our research has also determined the best biological samples required for rapid diagnosis of the virus in horses and identified the important relationship between the period of highest transmission risk and the time with which the disease can easily be detected," Dr Middleton says. As a result of these findings, veterinarians and horse owners are likely to consider the possibility of Hendra virus infection sooner when dealing with sick horses. This will mean appropriate management strategies can be put in place immediately, reducing the risk of spread while testing is being carried out. "Unlike in horse flu, where apparently healthy horses can transmit the virus, horses in the early stages of Hendra infection generally appear to be at lower risk compared to animals with more advanced signs of illness." These research findings will be used to update the guidelines that horse owners and vets use to handle potential Hendra virus infections. Dr Middleton says her research also indicates there is an opportunity to diagnose Hendra virus in horses early, prior to advanced clinical signs and the highest risk of transmission. "Developing a sensitive and specific stall-side test, which vets could use out in the field to diagnose the disease, has become even more important. However there are still key challenges to developing this type of advanced technology." Although it is still not known how Hendra spreads from flying foxes to horses, Dr Middleton says the key to preventing human exposure and the exposure of additional horses is first understanding the disease in horses and secondly controlling the viral spread from diseased horses. As of April 2009 - not last year ScienceDaily (Apr. 20, 2009) — CSIRO Livestock Industries' scientists working at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory (AAHL), in Geelong Victoria, have made a major breakthrough in better understanding how Hendra spreads from infected horses to other horses and humans. Funded by the Australian Biosecurity CRC for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Dr Deb Middleton and her team at AAHL have defined the period following the first signs of disease when horses are most likely to shed Hendra virus and therefore infect other horses and people. First identified in Brisbane in 1994, Hendra virus, which spreads from flying foxes, has regularly infected horses in Australia. Of the 11 equine outbreaks, four have led to human infection, with three of the six known human cases being fatal, the most recent of these in August 2008. Dr Deb Middleton and her team at AAHL have defined the period following the first signs of disease when horses are most likely to shed Hendra virus and therefore infect other horses and people. Dr Middleton says limited information in the past, on when the disease can transmit, has made it difficult to manage infected horses to stop Hendra spreading further to people and other susceptible horses. "Our research has also determined the best biological samples required for rapid diagnosis of the virus in horses and identified the important relationship between the period of highest transmission risk and the time with which the disease can easily be detected," Dr Middleton says. As a result of these findings, veterinarians and horse owners are likely to consider the possibility of Hendra virus infection sooner when dealing with sick horses. This will mean appropriate management strategies can be put in place immediately, reducing the risk of spread while testing is being carried out. "Unlike in horse flu, where apparently healthy horses can transmit the virus, horses in the early stages of Hendra infection generally appear to be at lower risk compared to animals with more advanced signs of illness." These research findings will be used to update the guidelines that horse owners and vets use to handle potential Hendra virus infections. Dr Middleton says her research also indicates there is an opportunity to diagnose Hendra virus in horses early, prior to advanced clinical signs and the highest risk of transmission. "Developing a sensitive and specific stall-side test, which vets could use out in the field to diagnose the disease, has become even more important. However there are still key challenges to developing this type of advanced technology." Although it is still not known how Hendra spreads from flying foxes to horses, Dr Middleton says the key to preventing human exposure and the exposure of additional horses is first understanding the disease in horses and secondly controlling the viral spread from diseased horses. All research for the project was undertaken within AAHL's high-biocontainment facility. Also April - comment: has anyone posted about this major breakthrough in the spread of Hendra from animals to human here? Was anyone in the height of H1N1 Pandemic even concerned? Two deadly and highly infectious viruses that could be used as bioterrorism threats can now be cured by a drug developed by Weill Cornell Medical College scientists. Infection with the deadly Hendra and Nipah viruses often leads to a fatal case of encephalitis and there has not been any effective treatment. Although scientists say they aren't sure how the viruses are transmitted, they say it is either by close contact with an infected host or by breathing in the microscopic pathogens This virus and Nipah are currently under develop for use as a bioweapon. You are not going to see this very much on the net. Its threat is much greater because it does not need to come from horses. We can make it. This is published TODAY http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hendra_virus?OpenDocumentMedclinician |
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Bioweapon 2: Nipah VirusViruses adapt and evolve over time. New strains emerge and, occasionally, close contact between humans and animals allow life-threatening diseases to leap to the top of the food chain. As human populations continue to swell, the emergence of new diseases is inevitable. And every time a new outbreak makes the headlines, you can be sure someone is considering how to turn it into a weapon. James L. Stanfield/National Geographic/Getty Images What biological weapons lurk in the undiscovered corners of our world? Nipah virus is just such a disease, having only risen to the attention of world health agencies in 1999. The outbreak occurred in the Nipah region of Malaysia, infecting 265 and killing 105. While 90 percent of those infected handled pigs for a living, health workers suspect the virus naturally occurs in fruit bats. The exact nature of transference is uncertain, but experts think that the virus may spread through close physical contact or contaminated body fluids. Human-to-human transmission hasn't been reported yet. The illness typically lasts 6 to 10 days, inducing symptoms that range from mild, flulike conditions such as fever and muscle pains to encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain. In these more severe cases, patients experienced drowsiness, disorientation, convulsions and ultimately coma. The virus carries a mortality rate of 50 percent, and there currently are no standard treatments or vaccinations [source: WHO]. Nipah virus, along with a number of other emerging pathogens, is classified as a Category C biological weapon. While no country is known to have researched its weaponization, its potential for widespread use and 50 percent mortality rate make it a bioweapon to watch for. Is nature constantly coming up with new ways for us to destroy each other? Well, it's not working hard enough for some people. With our last entry, we'll look at how some scientists hope to improve on nature's existing deadly designs. |
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Someone is probably wondering at this point - where is Medclinician going with this?
I am moving towards a third connect in the mutating strains of H1N1. Encephalitis and Meningitis among patients. As this Pandemic does two things- we need to observe this very closely. One- it is going systemic. Flu classically was a lung disease. Using the term stomach flu got many attacks on posting over the last few years. Now the strain of H1N1 Influenza is also a GI tract (40%) stomach flu. We saw a hook to nueral involvement recently and are moving in that direction. Generally when I come out with this stuff years before it happens many people get stressed and says don't worry. I am saying - do worry. Hendra and Niptha will be a problem in the coming waves of Pandemics. This then will not be old news. One should understand we are not just working against naturally evolving diseases. We are working against highly classified at Stanford, the London lab, and other locations programs said to protect us, but actually developing what could be used as a bio weapon arsenal. The Russians have been at this for years, using the defense umbrella to experiment with hundreds of new viruses, as has Israel. One of our biggest problems along the way, is that a government or rogue nation could decide to give our Pandemic a little push. That is acquire sequences, tweak them, and rerelease them in the mainstream. When the Pandmic gets worse- Second wave higher death rate- .gov can't point a finger at North Korea or Iran or the Taliban - and say you did this- so we bomb what country- we attack which group? There is no target. The use of bioweapons is much more deadly than nuclear. Iran could fire a few nukes at Israel and not even scratch the damage as opposed to unleashing a modified Hantavirus. People want to know about stuff. So I am putting up stuff. The age old argument well- it was last year your wife slept with your best friend sothat is old news. That is hte way suppresion of data works. You sit on it. And then every one reads Jerusalem post and it says Syria was tactical nuked to destroy nuclear facility in 2007. This was an event which could have started a war. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull the point here - as we have lost thousands of posts on sensitive issues- relative bio data which is hidden pretty deep or at least has been polished off as far as being trouble is buried on the net but can be found.. and as I posted in my Digging Deep thread- we still continue to do so. The biggest problem- is considering the media the most reliable source. It is not. And to find the real news and real threats you have to dig very very deep. Our, U.S. special ops invade Syria and take out people and a facility and there will NEVER BE a response to press enquiries. These two viruses are trouble. They will be trouble and need to be monitored. Let alone to mess with the horses in Australia perhaps no biggee that only two people got it. Last year in 2008 in Texas there was Swine Flu in humans. No one paid attention. iIt is possible the jump was form Texas to Mexico from a person traveling to Smithfield- speculation- we knew about the Texas cases. And we have document human cases of Swine Flu over years in the U.S. Now you know about two of the most dangerous potential Pandemic starters or bio weapons in existence. They can tuck it away and call it old news. It will not be old news forever. I posted the Chinese statement there have been no fatalities in China from Swine Flu. I also posted a series of articles detailing the death of a woman in China from Swine Flu - you can't have it both ways. Is there a connection? Yep- hiding the truth. It continues and during the Pandemic and the Second Wave we need to get around it. We make some progress, and then the rug gets pulled. Someday my rug will get pulled... the hotter the thread- and the more sensitive the topic- the more heat it is going to get. Medclinician Medclincian |
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Nipah As a Biological WeaponNipah virus is important as a potential biological weapon (targeted to animals, humans, or both) for the following reasons:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has listed Nipah virus as a critical biological agent, Category C. Category C agents are emerging pathogens that could be engineered for mass dissemination in the future because of:
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Had started this thread on the Hendra and Nipah Virus upon its emergence in Australia from horses. The significant of this was the passage from the horses to two workers. Am not sure why other posters have not only tagged their posts as events but completely ignored this thread I had started and did not post the data on these two diseases here.
this link has been blocked http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14377-could-killer-horse-virus-spread-amongst-humans.html Manager in Hendra virus lockdownAdrian Taylor | 11th August 2009 Debbie Brown and Adrian Daniels are in self-imposed quarantine at the Hendra-hit property. WIN News / Sean McNae STUD manager Debbie Brown is refusing to leave the Cawarral property at the centre of a Hendra virus outbreak. “Until someone can assure me I don't have a deadly disease, how can I risk passing it on to my children,” she said yesterday from inside the J4S Equine Nursery. Government officials yesterday confirmed that a prized mare that died at the weekend was killed by the virus that is carried by flying foxes and can spread from horses to humans. Debbie, who was sprayed with fluid from the horse before it died at the nursery on Cawarral Road, is angry and frustrated at the time it's taking to carry out tests that will reveal her fate. There have been 11 Hendra virus outbreaks in horses in Australia. Four have led to human infection and three of the six people to contract it have died. “I might have something that has killed three people,” she said. “But I can't have a test yet because there is a five-day incubation period.” So, along with horseman Adrian Daniels, she's in self-imposed quarantine on the property. “I've been told that if I get scrubbed with the right combination of chemicals, I can go home. But no one can give me any assurance that I am not carrying this disease, so how can I leave?” With children aged 17 and 14, she's taking no chances, but she's not lost her sense of humour. Asked how she was feeling, she said: “I have a headache, but that might be the beer. “If anyone wants to leave a case of XXXX heavy at the front gate in lieu of flowers, that would be good.” Debbie and vet Paul McCosker from Yeppoon called the Biosecurity Queensland hotline on Saturday when samples were taken from the horse. The mare, Jackowah's Regal Princess, was being prepared for the Magic Millions performance horse sale. The vet was first called on Thursday when it first showed signs of illness. By Friday it was gravely ill and a vet prescribed antibiotics. Nursery co-owner John Brady said yesterday he feared other horses would have to be destroyed and told reporters he thought his business would be devastated. Yesterday afternoon, as scientists carried out tests on the 30 horses at the nursery, a hurriedly scribbled sign warned visitors to stay away. Next to it was a small official notice about the quarantine advising that anyone who enters the property faces a fine of 1000 penalty points and up to a year in prison. Debbie said she was convinced the outbreak was caused by a bat defecating in the horses' water or feed. “When the concerns were first raised on Saturday tests were carried out but it took 36 hours to get samples to a laboratory. I'm afraid that delay is unacceptable to me.” Nursery owners John and Christine Brady have been in Brisbane and were not exposed to the affected horse. But other staff were in direct contact. The nursery keeps thoroughbreds and show horses and prepares clients' horses for breeding and sales. There were a number of horses clearly visible from the road on the property yesterday. comment: as I noted at that time and now more currently this and Nipah both viruses highly suspect to have been human made and used in biowarfare have moved into the human species as well as horses. Medclinician Read more... Hendra virus outbreak on Rocky property Dead horse tested for Hendra virus |
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Why is this on this thread and has nothing at all to do with the two viruses? Am I missing something here? Medclinician |
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There seems to be a pattern here whenever I post something very serious something else gets posted that has nothing at all to do with the topic and sidetracks the whole thread. Then a series of other users start the same topic and begin to post feverishly on it.
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August 10, 2009, 3:19 pm
A horse stud at Cawarral, east of Rockhampton, was placed in quarantine after the death of a horse on Saturday. A neighbouring property has also been quarantined as a precaution. The deaths of three horses are being investigated. Stud manager Deb Brown says she is not surprised by the positive hendra virus test result, but the death of the horse was upsetting. "Her dying so suddenly and so violently was a bit of a shock," she said. "The outcome to me actually wasn't a shock because all the symptoms were there. "I was expecting a positive result from these tests." Ms Brown says strict hygiene measures are in place to try to stop other horses being affected. "We have to suit up and wash down and mask and glove," she said. Three humans have died in 11 previous outbreaks of hendra virus, which spreads to horses from flying foxes. Brisbane man Ben Cunneen died of the virus last year after catching it working at a vet clinic in Redlands, on the city's southern outskirts. His workmate Natalie Beohm also caught the virus but recovered. The virus, which can transfer from horses to humans, first emerged in Brisbane 16 years ago and experts say someone can go from having symptoms to being gravely ill in under 24 hours. The Australian Animal Health Laboratory is working with an American team on what they say is a "very promising" vaccine against Hendra virus, suitable for people and horses. comment: I have been very ill with the flu and Skye has been sick with something. He had been running a fever and most of the people at our location have been acting.. um... a little differently- I am trying to track to see if there is a nuero link to some low grade illness which not swine flu but another "lab like" newbie appearing overnight (although Hendra has been popping up for a few years now." My health is so bad I was told to check in to Richmond or at least go there for evaluation for the cancer- and I have resisted doing so. Too much is happening. I feel as if I quite posting, I will no longer be posting anymore. Medclinician comment: it occurs the original vector or animal was flying foxes which seems extremely odd. I will begin tracking it on a thread in the discussion area. |
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MARK COLVIN: A Queensland stud manager has hit out at health authorities' handling of an outbreak of the deadly Hendra virus.
Debbie Brown is one of two managers in quarantine on a horse stud east of Rockhampton. The property has been quarantined following the death of a horse on Saturday. A neighbouring property has also been sealed off. Charlotte Glennie reports from Brisbane. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: In 1994 a deadly new virus was discovered in the Brisbane suburb of Hendra. Prominent horse trainer Vic Rail and most of his horses had suddenly fallen ill. Within days Mr Rail and 14 horses were dead. The virus has resurfaced 10 times since then, most recently at a horse stud managed by Debbie Brown at Cawarral, east of Rockhampton. DEBBIE BROWN: The Anglo-Arabian mare that died got crook on Friday lunchtime and it was very rapid. It was very fast onset. And we had called the vet out straight away and we had bloods taken and everything but on Saturday morning Adrian Daniels, the other manager that was with me here, he called me up and there, she was just a mess. She was going down so fast. And I called the vet and I said, okay, I've got this, this, this, this and this. And he said, "Debbie that sounds like Hendra". And I just, I froze. I thought no, it can't be! CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: A short time later Debbie Brown says the mare died violently. Well aware that Hendra can be lethal in humans too, Ms Brown says she immediately called Queensland Health to ask that she and fellow manager Adrian Daniels be tested for the virus. They'd both been in direct contact with body fluids from the sick horse. DEBBIE BROWN: Since Saturday I've been calling and calling and asking Queensland Health to test us and they still haven't. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: Ms Brown says she was told she had to wait until the Hendra virus was confirmed in the mare. That announcement was made around lunchtime today by Queensland's Minister for Primary Industries Tim Mulherin. TIM MULHERIN: The horse that died on the 8th of August showed the classic symptoms of Hendra virus; that is nasal discharge, an elevated temperature and rapidly deteriorating condition. The Biosecurity Queensland took samples from the deceased horse and now that has been confirmed as Hendra virus. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: Two other horses had also died at the property in the last fortnight but Minister Mulherin says those deaths might not be related to the virus. TIM MULHERIN: One death occurred on the 28th of July. Biosecurity Queensland were not, wasn't advised of that incident. It was put down to snakebite. And then again on the 7th of July an old horse died and that was put down to just the age of the horse. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: However back at Cawarral, Debbie Brown was still in quarantine on her property waiting to hear from Queensland Health. DEBBIE BROWN: I was surprised and shocked that it took a confirmation of a horse's death to worry about people. See, with the horse I read up and horses can display and have displayed some of the following symptoms. Princess had all of those symptoms so I was sure that Princess had died of Hendra. I mean let's look at the worst case scenario that the first horse died of Hendra. Well our incubation period is well underway. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: And have you been tested yet? DEBBIE BROWN: No! CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: Do you know when that's going to happen? DEBBIE BROWN: I have understood from the DPI vet that Queensland Health are in conference at the moment. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: And while they're conferencing you're getting increasingly concerned for yourself and your other manager there, Adrian? DEBBIE BROWN: Well I live by the belief that if you can do something about something do it. If you can't then travel on. comment: this is an interesting mind set that that seems to have spread through several recent investigations. Well we can do something about this. Something should be getting done about this. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: PM asked Queensland Health for a response to Debbie Brown's concerns. No-one would be interviewed but the organisation released a statement saying: EXTRACT FROM STATEMENT: Queensland Health will follow up using established protocols for the management of humans exposed to horses with Hendra virus infection. This involves identifying people who may have had contact with the horses, assessing their risk of exposure and providing information and advice, including blood testing where appropriate. CHARLOTTE GLENNIE: Dr Rick Webster from Biosecurity Queensland says around 30 horses will all be tested for the virus. RICK WEBSTER: At present I don't know if any horses have moved off this property. In the meantime there will be tracing done. There is always the possibility that there could be other cases close by which are entirely separate from this case because of the bats carrying the virus and their opportunity always to spread the virus to horses. MARK COLVIN: Dr Rick Webster from Biosecurity Queensland ending Charlotte Glennie's report. Medclinician |
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People do not only get Hendra virus - they can die from it.
Posted on August 27th, 2008 by Bob Gould
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have been calls for an inquiry about the recent Hendra outbreak in
Australia that has resulted in the death of five horses and one human.
Veterinarian Ben Cunneen, BVSc, who was 33 years old, died Wednesday,
Aug. 20. He had contracted Hendra virus from a horse hospitalized at
the Redlands Veterinary Clinic on the outskirts of the city of Brisbane
in the state of Queensland.comment: is there a biolab in Brisbane? Medclinician |
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Scientists flying blind over deadly virus
The Australian
2009-08-12
SCIENTISTS FLYING BLIND OVER DEADLY HENDRA VIRUS comment: one of the reasons for the confusion.. is that top virologists at this point don't really understand what is going on with Hendra or Nipah. These diseases can be highly pathogenic and would make H1N1 look like a mild chest cold if they could develop the mutation or would given the mutation to become wide spread. SCIENTISTS are still stumped about how flying foxes transmit the deadly Hendra virus to horses. Pathologist Deborah Middleton, the lead Hendra researcher at the CSIRO's Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong, said that despite 15 years of study, there were aspects of the virus that still baffled scientists. The first known outbreak of the disease was in 1994, in the Brisbane Stud manager Debbie Brown says Queensland Health held a crisis meeting last night and decided to admit five workers, including herself, to hospital later today. Queensland Health says it is just a precautionary measure. But until then, Ms Brown has been busy on the property feeding horses and cleaning yards. Three horses have died on the Cawarral stud in the past fortnight, but authorities say only the most recent horse death has been blamed on Hendra virus. Vets will today examine another sick horse on the property. Cawarral property owner John Brady says the sick horse has yet to develop all the apparent symptoms of Hendra virus. Mr Brady says he found the ailing mare last night and is very concerned. "She hasn't got an elevated temperature or anything like that yet, but we'll have the vets have a look at it today," he said. "We brought it into the stables last night and isolated it. " just look at the horses and if one doesn't look right and this horse just looks a bit - we call it 'doughy' - and just doesn't look itself, we've just isolated it." Virus fearsHe says his biggest fear is Hendra virus could spread to all his horses. "There's a lot of pregnant mares here and it's coming onto foaling season and so we don't really know - it's just too early to tell - but I will be asking the vets to look after her today," he said. Mr Brady says there is a real risk of Hendra virus spreading from horse to horse. "We've got to sit on a knife-edge if you like ... I hope it doesn't just go through them one at a time - it's obviously very stressful," he said. "We won't get those tests before Friday and if it is the virus and it runs its course, that horse will be dead before then." Mr Brady says all horses on the property have been tested for the virus, along with nine people who have had contact with horses. "They've taken blood tests and swabs and obviously we won't get the swabs from that before Friday or later - it's one step closer," he said. "All the horses have been tested now and provided the samples are not lost, we should get some results start to come in by Friday." Test resultsBiosecurity Queensland says it will know by the end of the week whether more horses on the property have Hendra virus. Queensland chief veterinary officer Dr Rick Symons says samples have been taken from 25 other horses and sent to Victoria for testing. Dr Symons says 11 horses from eight properties in central Queensland, the Sunshine Coast and Darling Downs in south-east Queensland, and north-west New South Wales were quarantined after they were linked to the Cawarral stud. "The quarantine - we take a very precautionary approach for that - so what we generally look for is 28 days after the last case," he said. "So when the last case is there, we take 28 days from that and we will lift the quarantine." Dr Symons says the horses that have been moved have been isolated and will be tested. He says those horses only face a low risk. "Like humans, the transmission between horses is not strong," he said. "It does occur but it's not a very, very contagious disease. "It's not like equine influenza or something like that. "The horses that are in contact on the property have only just been in contact, so we're quite happy that they're very, very low risk." Officers from Biosecurity Queensland are also checking bat colonies near Cawarral stud to see if they have the virus. Medclinician |
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Back three years in Nepal and on this site a group of us tracked an outbreak of a weird virus which was caused a possible shut down alert of a local airport. This was the ONLY news at first of this virus and it appeared to have nueral involvement from across the border China- enceph as well as from Japan where a new strain of bug which effected the nueral system seemed to be emerging.
It would be poor humor to comment that many recent paths of government policy in both foreign policy and economic seem a little bit three bricks shy of a load. We have friends who seem to be "losing their memory" and even some skills and and things they knew for years. Definition of Encephalitis, Nipah virusEncephalitis, Nipah virus: Brain inflammation (encephalitis) due to the Nipah virus that infects pigs and people. Nipah is the name of the first village the virus struck near Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. (The Nipah virus is similar to Hendra virus that was discovered in Australia in 1994.) Sorry Aussies- we are looking at Brisbane 10- and stuff coming out of the Land Down Under- the Equine stuff happened int he last few years and is significant. Nipah virus caused a severe outbreak of viral encephalitis in Malaysia in 1998-1999. The main risk factor for Nipah virus encephalitis is recent contact with pigs. Most patients have had direct contact with pigs in the two weeks preceding the onset of the illness. The infection may spread to people through contact with pig secretions such as feces or saliva or through contact with infected dogs. The spread of the Nipah virus illustrates a problem due to trends in livestock production -- large-scale production and international commerce. Huge hog farms can have tens of thousands of animals. Some infectious agents such as the Nipah virus are associated with intensity of production and concentration of animals in limited spaces. International commerce in meat and poultry now increases the chance of the worldwide dissemination of exotic infectious agents like the Nipah virus. Bats are believed to be the natural host of Nipah virus. The virus is similar but not identical to Hendra virus, another agent of zoonotic viral disease in which bats are the usual host. Comment: there has been an almost religious commentary that humans could not be infected with viruses from pigs which are fatal and everything passed was from human to human. Nipah is MUCH more deadly than the must moaned about by the pork indiustry- Swiine Flu. Despite the fact that some scientists say it carries on 3 strains - two swine and one human- the big push to include an Avian Strain is so it could be given the name Novel Influenza A- How much Avian is in it? According to several virogists, one in Scotland- none. The reason I brought these threads up is because we are in the process of making probably hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine from samples of California virus which has already mutated and with ABSOLUTELY no solid evidence that it even works in humans. However, these other two viruses and several prions- a fairly new type of pathogen - and one also know to be actively worked on in weapons research (even though the weapons reserach is formally denied) Nipah and Hendra are killers. If they spread- we will have another Pandemic. And this one won't be a yawn Pandemic with few deaths. Medclinician |
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The CFR in animals is 70% - more than Avian in human cases reported by WHO.
The disease in animals Hendra virus can cause a range of clinical signs and should be considered where there is acute onset, fever and rapid progression to death associated with either respiratory or neurological signs. Most cases in horses are fatal but occasionally a horse will survive the infection. The reported mortality rate in affected horses is greater than 70%. No other animal is known to be infected naturally. comment: except recently.. humans Earlier report: Hendra virus is classified as requiring Level 4 security, the highest-level of biocontainment procedures. The hendra virus was first discovered in 1994 by CSIRO and Queensland researchers. The virus is not highly contagious, but if transmitted to horse and humans, it can be lethal In September 1994, the Queensland horse trainer Vic Rail, the trainer of Vo Rogue, his stablehand, and most of his stable fell ill to a sudden and mysterious illness. Within several days, the trainer and 14 horses were dead. . Medclinician |
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/biosecurity/ag-biosec/anim-disease/nipah.html
Nipah is related and even more interesting. It is an extremely lethal bioweapon. is a virus that mainly affects pigs and humans. It first appeared in 1998 in Malaysia, where it caused significant damage to the local swine industry as well as the loss of over 100 human lives (see References: CDC 1999). Nipah As a Biological WeaponNipah virus is important as a potential biological weapon (targeted to animals, humans, or both) for the following reasons:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has listed Nipah virus as a critical biological agent, Category C. Category C agents are emerging pathogens that could be engineered for mass dissemination in the future because of:
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Clinical Features of Nipah Virus in Humans
Characteristics:
Case-fatality rate: 40%* and as for Hendra... AAHL’s diagnostic team isolated and identified what proved to be a new virus that had not been reported anywhere else in the world and it is named after the name of the Brisbane suburb in which the outbreak occurred. Medclinician |
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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/848040/dead-horse-tested-for-hendra-virus
Tests confirm Hendra virus killed horse17:47 AEST Mon Aug 10 2009 5 days 19 hours 35 minutes ago A prized Anglo filly from J45 Equine Nursery at Cawarral, east of Rockhampton, died on Saturday, with tests confirming on Monday that it had Hendra virus. Queensland Health officials are also assessing stud workers, including the manager who is believed to have been sprayed with bodily fluids from the horse. Stud manager Deb Brown said she was eager to be tested after watching the horse's violent death. "She was frothing at the nose and the mouth and she was just totally incoherent and she died pretty violently," Ms Brown told Network Ten. "I want to be tested now. I want to be tested so that I know that I'm healthy or I'm not." Two other horses have died at the stud in the past two weeks but their deaths were put down to a snakebite and old age. Primary Industries Minister Tim Mulherin said bats may be to blame for passing on the virus, as there were many in the area. He warned that people who had come into contact with the horse had a high risk of contracting the virus. The Department of Primary Industries has quarantined the stud and a neighbouring property. Ms Brown and a local vet called the Biosecurity Queensland hotline when the third horse died on Saturday, and officials attended within an hour and a half, taking a sample from the animal. On being told of the positive test for Hendra, John Brady, co-owner of the stud, told AAP his business was "in big ****". "It's going to devastate us," he said. He said he was trying to return to Rockhampton from the Gold Coast as soon as possible. Mr Brady told AAP before the test results came through there was no link between the filly's death and that of the two other horses. "One died of old age and the other died of a snakebite," Mr Brady said. But he said his stud manager had been sprayed by fluid from the horse. Mr Brady said also on that property were foals and a champion stallion, which he fears may have to be put down. He said a vet saw the filly the first day it showed signs of illness on Thursday. By Friday it was gravely ill and a vet prescribed antibiotics but the following day it died. Queensland's chief biosecurity officer Rick Webster said horse owners should contact their vet if their horses showed symptoms. "Many horses will show high temperatures but the vast majority will not be Hendra virus," he said. "The virus does kill people." A Hendra outbreak in August last year killed Brisbane vet Ben Cunneen, the first person to die of the disease in 10 years. His colleague, nurse Natalie Beohm, survived infection. The owner of the vet clinic at the centre of last year's outbreak said it was common in recent times for horses to be tested for Hendra. But David Lovell, the owner of the Redlands clinic, said the illness was "very rare". First identified in Brisbane in 1994, Hendra virus has spread from flying foxes. Of the 11 equine outbreaks in Australia, four have led to human infection, with three of the six known human cases being fatal. Medclinician |
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The inclusion of the use and development of these two viruses as biological weapons may make this a controversial thread. And incredible amount of resources are being focused on Swine Flu, while with these we have a true pathogen capable, if made spreadable, of equaling the Black Death in London, in the Middle Ages.
H1N1 with its vaccine, the politics, and the media making money from terrorizing people may be interesting, but this stuff is .. deadly- and needs to be watched. Medclinician |
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I feel it is necessary to bring my thread on this back to life. Most of all because the Nipah Virus considerations are very important. I certainly appreciate Ricksters tracking of this- but Nipah needs some more data released- and I will do that - this morning.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus
I don't have time to bold and white and underline this data. Time grows shorter. There is good stuff in here. Med Henipavirus is a genus of the family Paramyxoviridae, order Mononegavirales containing two members, Hendravirus and Nipahvirus. The henipaviruses are naturally harboured by Pteropid fruit bats (flying foxes) and are characterised by a large genome, a wide host range and their recent emergence as zoonotic pathogens capable of causing illness and death in domestic animals and humans.[1] Virus structureHenipaviruses are pleomorphic (variably shaped), ranging in size from 40 to 600 nm in diameter.[2] They possess a lipid membrane overlying a shell of viral matrix protein. At the core is a single helical strand of genomic RNA tightly bound to N (nucleocapsid) protein and associated with the L (large) and P (phosphoprotein) proteins which provide RNA polymerase activity during replication. Embedded within the lipid membrane are spikes of F (fusion) protein trimers and G (attachment) protein tetramers. The function of the G protein is to attach the virus to the surface of a host cell via ephrin B2, a highly conserved protein present in many mammals.[3][4] The F protein fuses the viral membrane with the host cell membrane, releasing the virion contents into the cell. It also causes infected cells to fuse with neighbouring cells to form large, multinucleated syncytia. [edit] Genome structureAs with all viruses in the Mononegavirales order, the Hendra virus and Nipah virus genomes are non-segmented, single-stranded negative-sense RNA. Both genomes are 18.2 kb in size and contain six genes corresponding to six structural proteins.[5] In common with other members of the Paramyxovirinae subfamily, the number of nucleotides in the henipavirus genome is a multiple of six, known as the 'rule of six'. Deviation from the rule of six, through mutation or incomplete genome synthesis, leads to inefficient viral replication, probably due to structural constraints imposed by the binding between the RNA and the N protein. Henipaviruses employ an unusual process called RNA editing to generate multiple proteins from a single gene. The process involves the insertion of extra guanosine residues into the P gene mRNA prior to translation. The number of residues added determines whether the P, V or W proteins are synthesised. The functions of the V and W proteins are unknown, but they may be involved in disrupting host antiviral mechanisms. [edit] Hendra virus[edit] EmergenceHendra virus (originally Equine morbillivirus) was discovered in September 1994 when it caused the deaths of fourteen horses, and a trainer at a training complex in Hendra, a suburb of Brisbane in Queensland, Australia.[6] The index case, a mare, was housed with 23 other horses after falling ill and died two days later. Subsequently, 19 of the remaining horses succumbed with 13 dying. Both the trainer and a stable hand were involved in nursing the index case and both fell ill within one week of the horse’s death with an influenza-like illness. The stable hand recovered while the trainer died of respiratory and renal failure. The source of virus was most likely frothy nasal discharge from the index case. A second outbreak occurred in August 1994 (chronologically preceding the first outbreak) in Mackay 1000 km north of Brisbane resulting in the deaths of two horses and their owner.[7] The owner assisted in autopsies of the horses and within three weeks was admitted to hospital suffering from meningitis. He recovered, but 14 months later developed neurologic signs and died. This outbreak was diagnosed retrospectively by the presence of Hendra virus in the brain of the patient. A survey of wildlife in the outbreak areas was conducted and identified pteropid fruit bats as the most likely source of Hendra virus with a seroprevalence of 47%. All of the other 46 species sampled were negative. Virus isolations from the reproductive tract and urine of wild bats indicated that transmission to horses may have occurred via exposure to bat urine or birthing fluids.[8]. [edit] OutbreaksA total of nine outbreaks of Hendra virus have occurred since 1994, all involving infection of horses. Four of these outbreaks have spread to humans as a result of direct contact with infected horses.
The distribution of black and spectacled flying foxes covers the outbreak sites, and the timing of incidents indicates a seasonal pattern of outbreaks possibly related to the seasonality of fruit bat birthing. As there is no evidence of transmission to humans directly from bats, it is thought that human infection only occurs via an intermediate host. [edit] PathologyFlying foxes are unaffected by Hendra virus infection. Symptoms of Hendra virus infection of humans may be respiratory, including haemorrhage and oedema of the lungs, or encephalitic resulting in meningitis. In horses, infection usually causes pulmonary oedema and congestion. Medclinician |
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Nipah virus - Med from Wiki
[edit] EmergenceNipah virus was identified in 1999 when it caused an outbreak of neurological and respiratory disease on pig farms in peninsular Malaysia, resulting in 105 human deaths and the culling of one million pigs.[7] In Singapore, 11 cases including one death occurred in abattoir workers exposed to pigs imported from the affected Malaysian farms. The Nipah virus has been classified by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as a Category C agent (http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/agentlist-category.asp). The outbreak was originally mistaken for Japanese encephalitis (JE), however, physicians in the area noted that persons who had been vaccinated against JE were not protected, and the number of cases among adults was unusual [16] Despite the fact that these observations were recorded in the first month of the outbreak, the Ministry of Health failed to react accordingly and instead launched a nationwide campaign to educate people on the dangers of JE and its vector, Culex mosquitoes. Symptoms of infection from the Malaysian outbreak were primarily encephalitic in humans and respiratory in pigs. Later outbreaks have caused respiratory illness in humans, increasing the likelihood of human-to-human transmission and indicating the existence of more dangerous strains of the virus. Based on seroprevalence data and virus isolations, the primary reservoir for Nipah virus was identified as Pteropid fruit bats including Pteropus vampyrus (Malayan flying fox) and Pteropus hypomelanus (Island flying fox), both of which occur in Malaysia. The transmission of Nipah virus from flying foxes to pigs is thought to be due to an increasing overlap between bat habitats and piggeries in peninsular Malaysia. At the index farm, fruit orchards were in close proximity to the piggery, allowing the spillage of urine, faeces and partially eaten fruit onto the pigs.[17] Retrospective studies demonstrate that viral spillover into pigs may have been occurring in Malaysia since 1996 without detection.[7] During 1998, viral spread was aided by the transfer of infected pigs to other farms where new outbreaks occurred. [edit] OutbreaksEight more outbreaks of Nipah virus have occurred since 1998, all within Bangladesh and neighbouring parts of India. The outbreak sites lie within the range of Pteropus species (Pteropus giganteus). As with Hendra virus, the timing of the outbreaks indicates a seasonal effect.
Eleven isolated cases of Nipah virus encephalitis have also been documented in Bangladesh since 2001. Nipah virus has been isolated from Lyle's flying fox (Pteropus lylei) in Cambodia[24] and viral RNA found in urine and saliva from P. lylei and Horsfield's roundleaf bat (Hipposideros larvatus) in Thailand.[25] Infective virus has also been isolated from environmental samples of bat urine and partially-eaten fruit in Malaysia.[26] Antibodies to henipaviruses have also been found in fruit bats in Madagascar (Pteropus rufus, Eidolon dupreanum)[27] and Ghana (Eidolon helvum)[28] indicating a wide geographic distribution of the viruses. No infection of humans or other species have been observed in Cambodia, Thailand or Africa. [edit] PathologyIn humans, the infection presents as fever, headache and drowsiness. Cough, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, weakness, problems with swallowing and blurred vision are relatively common. About a quarter of the patients have seizures and about 60% become comatose and might need mechanical ventilation. In patients with severe disease, their conscious state may deteriorate and they may develop severe hypertension, fast heart rate, and very high temperature. Nipah virus is also known to cause relapse encephalitis. In the initial Malaysian outbreak, a patient presented with relapse encephalitis some 53 months after his initial infection. There is no definitive treatment for Nipah encephalitis, apart from supportive measures, such as mechanical ventilation and prevention of secondary infection. Ribavirin, an antiviral drug, was tested in the Malaysian outbreak and the results were encouraging, though further studies are still needed. In animals, especially in pigs, the virus causes porcine respiratory and neurologic syndrome also known as barking pig syndrome or one mile cough. [edit] Causes of emergenceThe emergence of henipaviruses parallels the emergence of other zoonotic viruses in recent decades. SARS coronavirus, Australian bat lyssavirus, Menangle virus and probably Ebola virus and Marburg virus are also harbored by bats and are capable of infecting a variety of other species. The emergence of each of these viruses has been linked to an increase in contact between bats and humans, sometimes involving an intermediate domestic animal host. The increased contact is driven both by human encroachment into the bats’ territory (in the case of Nipah, specifically pigpens in said territory) and by movement of bats towards human populations due to changes in food distribution and loss of habitat. There is evidence of habitat loss for flying foxes both in South Asia and Australia (particularly along the east coast) as well as encroachment of human dwellings and agriculture into the remaining habitats, creating greater overlap of human and flying fox distributions. [edit] See also[edit] References
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comment: both these viruses are currently under development as biological weapons. As in Anthrax and Ebola- it is the high death rate- kill rate- which makes them potentially highly effective. As in the use of any biological weapon- the problem is not to infect your military or own country. This can be accomplished by two modifications. One we used earlier on was racial targeting. It is know that certain diseases are known to be more lethal to some races than others. However, a crucial flaw rapidly became apparent. We have a multi-racial military. Therefore, we either deploy units with only certain races, or we kill our own people. Despite the fact the development of biological weapons is illegal globally for defensive purposes it continues in all large nations under the guise of development of defensive cultures and strain research to protect us against other countries biological weapons. They cannot be released without basically killing a lot of people, so they are in class 5 labs- however the security of those labs is iffy- and the possibility of a breach or stolen viruses by rogue states has already occured and some enemies possess them.
In the weapons labs they decided to pursue an alternate course of development and one much more highly effective. Geographic area targeting. Since their are common gene pools and common resistances in specific areas even countries or large areas- the ideal bioweapon would target an area. Although others outside that area would possibly get ill, the kill rate in the area would be fairly effective. It also would be necessary to use pathogens which were fairly new. They have been tweaking with Anthrax and extremely poor delivery methods for decades. Yet as a spore former an area could be contaminated and later unusable after attack for many years. Whenever you stirred up some dust, Anthrax would infect the invaders and some of these spore can survive pure sulfuric acid, straight on welding torch, and just about everything. These bioweapons have been buried in layers of bleach and yet if dug up again, as in Russia years ago they are still effective. Both Henta and Nipah Virus as well as prions are high priority bioweapons for research. A spread from horses to people of Henta marks the second equestrian spread of a bad virus in two years in Australia to people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Australian_equine_influenza_outbreak For anyone paying attention the H3N2 which was a co-ingredient of the 'big messup spread a virus by Baxter, in their vaccine' was a precursor of a nasty flu which spread globally. There are prions and other viruses in pigs, birds, and now horses, which are making the jump to humans and creating strains which foreshadow coming Pandemics. We have more than just H1N1 to grieve over. With a little lab creativity both Hanta and Nipah- and even more so Mad Cow Disease (a notorius prion which reduces brains to silly putty) could be nasty stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/madcow/prions.html Welcome to the 21st century killer which goes beyond viruses. Just some background to augment Ricksters outbreak tracking. You got a live one there Rickster. Add Nipah to it - and you have two. Medclinician |
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Was it really necessary to spam up the forum with several pages of cut and pasted wikipedia? Why not just use a link?
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The potential for an outbreak of the Hendra
virus in NSW has increased as the carriers of the disease, flying
foxes, move further south to as far as Ecologist Lesley Hughes told AAP that climate change was a major contributor to the southern migration of bats commonly found along Queensland's coast. She said the common black flying fox and grey headed flying fox had migrated up to 800 kilometres south since the 1930s. "So many have shifted from Queensland into northern New South Wales that they are no longer considered threatened in northern NSW," Professor Hughes from Sydney's Macquarie University said. "They are shifting in a southerly direction and the black flying fox can be found as far as "Climate change is affecting the distribution of lots of species and bats are strong flyers and are moving faster than we had expected them to." Biosecurity authorities say they will have a clearer picture on Tuesday whether a horse on a Queensland stud will need to be put down due to Hendra virus. One of 25 horses in isolation on the J4S stud at Cawarral, east of Rockhampton, tested positive to the virus on Friday but is being retested after an earlier check had cleared it. The horse is isolated from others and is under strict biosecurity observation. Two Hendra-affected horses have died at the stud, on August 7 and 8. A third horse, originally thought to have suffered a snake bite in late July, may also have been infected but its carcass was destroyed before it could be tested. Results from the retest on the live horse, as well as test results on another 10 horses that left the stud to go to other Queensland properties prior to the lockdown, are due to be returned to authorities from Victoria's Australian Animal Health Laboratory and would be released on Tuesday, a Department of Primary Industries spokesman said. "On Tuesday we should have a clearer picture," the spokesman said. Testing on another horse, which was moved to NSW, is being carried out by NSW authorities, he said. Meanwhile, four people who were significantly exposed to the sick horses are continuing experimental preventive treatment for Hendra virus in Rockhampton hospital. They will undergo a second round of blood tests in a fortnight after testing negative to the virus last week. Since Rickster is following Hendra I will try to post more on Nipah Virus on this thread which is a companion virus in bioweapon research, infection. and concern for further spread in Australia. http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5821619/hendra-virus-could-move-south-expert/ Medclinician |
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It is interesting that this virus also has a swine connection!!!!
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NIPAH VIRUS 101A- We are hitting Hendra and Nipah because these are high path viruses that have jumped into humans and not only are high profile biowarfare candidates- but with a little mutation - would pose a much greater threat - a REAL threat than H1N1. For the moment, they are not especially contagious- but that is not for lack of trying from the some of the most advanced virus labs on earth- both the good guys and the bad guys.
There will come a time and not far off when both Hendra and Nipah stand side by side with SARS, Avian, and Swine Flu. Next will come prions begun with Mad Cow disease.. but first to put up some hard core data on Nipah. Our readers are pretty sharp and while you all not be biologists and virologist there are sections of this that are pretty straight out and you need to know about Nipah. PROCEEDINGS OF THE NIPAH VIRUS COLLOQUIUM 2008, UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA AND RELATED ARTICLES Foreword Ten years ago, a mysterious and yet fatal encephalitis broke out among the pig farmers in Negeri (this is a nuero thing and we are seeing more neuro with H1N1) Sembilan, Malaysia. There were much confusion initially regarding the cause of the illness, and Japanese encephalitis, the commonest cause of encephalitis here, was thought to be the culprit. 1 It soon became clear that the epidemiological, clinical and radiological features of the new encephalitis were different from those of Japanese encephalitis. Viral culture from one of the patients from Bukit Pelanduk, one of the villages in the epicentre of the outbreak area, yielded a new paramyxovirus related to the then recently discovered Hendra virus. The virus was later named after the village as Nipah virus. 2,3 Initial descriptions of the virus portrayed a deadly zoonotic agent originated from bats, spread to domestic animals, amplifed rapidly in pigs, and then spread readily to human handling the animals. 4,5 At the height of the outbreak, even abattoir workers in the neighbouring country Singapore, which depended on Malaysia for its supply of pork, were affected6 , and the importation of pork from Malaysia was banned. The outbreak was brought under control only with the culling of over a million pigs7 – and with it the decimation of a billion dollar industry. The fnal count was more than 265 patients affected with 105 mortalities. (that's 40% CFR) it may not be Avian- but we may have a better chance at making Nipah contagious than Avian which has a horrific track record so far and has utterly failed to spark a pandemic. 8,9 Various aspects of the infection caused by this novel virus were soon documented – clinical, laboratory, radiological features8-11 , antiviral therapy12 , epidemiology4,13 pathology14 , prognosis15 and relapse. 16,17 It was then thought that the outbreak occurred because of the unique combination of human activities in deforestation, intensive farming practices of combining pig husbandry with fruit farming, and unusual seasonal changes in weather, something that was unlikely to recur elsewhere. 18 It was therefore a surprise when Nipah virus was reported to be responsible for a series of encephalitic outbreaks that occurred almost annually in northeast India19 and Bangladesh. 20 Later it was found that the Henipavirus was common among many species of fruit and insectivorous bats, which were widely distributed in a region stretching from Australia to southern China, and from Indonesia to Ghana. 20-28 It was also soon appreciated that there were signifcant epidemiological 2,29 , clinical 20,30 radiological and prognostic differences30,31 between the outbreaks in Bangladesh and that in Malaysia, though some of these were more likely to be due host factors and local cultural practices and health care service conditions. Signifcantly, however, the virus was far more readily transmitted from bat- to-human and from human-to-human in Bangladesh32 than in Malaysia33-35 , and this led to increased risk of nosocomial transmission and transmission to health care workers, such as what had happened in Siliguri, India. 19,36 The outbreaks in Bangladesh and the subsequent discovery of the widespread distributions of the virus37 supply new impetus, funding and the opportunities to study the virus and the related infection in more depth. New cases of Hendra infections were continuingly being reported in Queensland, Australia. 38 On the other hand, 10 years long term outcomes are now available from Malaysia. 39 The more exciting developments, however, must be the better understanding of both the genetics and the pathophysiology of Nipah infection. 40-43 This issue of the Journal reports many of the latest fndings in this area as presented in the Nipah Virus Colloquium 2008. The Colloquium was held on 21, 22 October 2008 in University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur, in conjunction with the 10th year remembrance of the outbreak and discovery of the Nipah virus. It is hope that, through efforts like these, we are better prepared for the next re-emergence of Henipaviral infection. Heng Thay Chong Sazaly Abu Bakar Chong Tin Tan Medclinician Medical Researcher |
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The more we study these two, the more interesting it gets. I don't think it is too dry for the readers here because these have the potential along with some other real winners (hemorrhagic fevers coming up from South America and flesh eaters - or VRSA- search on this and you will find it is getting moblile and buidling up resistance and cases) H1N1, although a trouble maker in 1918 swept H5N1 off its feet to be the big deal. Both Hendra and Nipah though not horrifically contagious like Swine Flu- with a little coaching in the lab could get nasty. And they are getting a little coaching in a number of labs. Medclinician |
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Uh, no Rick, you are wrong. Med says that all of Oz is at risk from this new outbreak. You know, you previously posted that you didn't like people trying to silence Med. So why don't you take your own advice and let him talk. I think he is on to something here. I too believe that a new virus is sweeping oz and that you are probably just some infected zombie trying to trick us into coming down there so that we might also be infected. You go Med! Keep preaching the truth! |
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You certainly win the w*nker of the week award. This is a classic example of you trying to cause trouble on this forum again.
Move on and get a life. Your posts are nothing but a feeble attempt to gain attention to yourself.
I'm sure others feel as I do, you contribute very little, except to stir the pot occasionally.
If you bothered to look at the threads you would see that there was in fact a Hendra virus outbreak about a week after Med posted the original thread.
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I won?!? The w**ker of the week award? How wonderful!!! I've never won anything before...
I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank a few people without whom none of this would be possible.
First, I'd like to thank Rick for his nomination. It takes one to know one, so that is why I find it so touching that Rick recognized me as the w**ker of the week.
I'd also like to thank my first grade teacher, Ms. Ellis, for instilling in me the drive necessary to chase this goal.
And last, but not least, I'd like to thank Med. Without him none of this would be possible.
Oh, the music has started playing. Thats my cue to go. Thank you! Thank you all!!!
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Rickster and users- I truly truly paused before hitting the enter key on what I just put up. Do not make me sorry. This is something that needs to be researched immediately. That is why I am putting it up, so it will be. The preliminary research holds a key that possibly could save millions of lives.
This is the real deal. The Cytokine storm is what kills people from Swine Flu and also from other diseases. If we can stop it- we can stop many deaths from the Pandemic. Medclinician |
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