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    Posted: May 05 2009 at 8:08am

May 5 AP article - link below:


By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor - Analysis

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With Mexico saying the worst may be over and the new H1N1 virus starting to look more like a seasonal flu strain in the United States and elsewhere, critics are going to start asking if public health officials overreacted to the outbreak.

Since the new swine flu virus was first identified two weeks ago in two children in Texas and California, the World Health Organization pushed its pandemic alert level from a three to a five, meaning a pandemic is imminent.

Mexico closed schools, stopped public events and took a big hit to tourism. The U.S. government mobilized 25 percent of its stockpile of antiviral drugs and started work on a vaccine against the new strain.

But the death toll is being rolled back as Mexican officials realize it will be impossible to know if long-buried or cremated victims died of H1N1 swine flu. And while the infection is spreading rapidly across the United States, it appears to be no worse than seasonal flu.

Scientists who study flu say the coordinated, global response was appropriate.

"If it doesn't become more virulent, first of all, many people will heave a great sigh of relief," said Dr. Scott Lillibridge, who helped set up the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Program and who is now at the University of Texas Health Sciences Center in Houston.

But Lillibridge echoes what the WHO and CDC have been saying: viruses mutate and change all the time and it is too early to say how bad this virus really is.

"We are only a few days into a major international mobilization for an outbreak that could continue months into the future," Lillibridge said in a telephone interview.

The U.S. government has been preparing for this scenario for years.

One of the messages that has come up repeatedly is that the 1918 pandemic, cited as the worst-case scenario because it killed upwards of 40 million people, started with a mild arrival of a new virus, now identified as H1N1, in the spring.

It disappeared over the summer, but roared back with a vengeance in August.

REPEATING HISTORY

"Will there be later disease, and if so, will it be more severe?" CDC acting director Dr. Richard Besser asked on Monday.

"There is no doubt in my mind that CDC, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Health and Human Services Department will use the lull to get ready," said risk communications consultant Peter Sandman, who has taken a special interest in pandemic flu.

"They will stay focused on this problem. They will continue to get ready for a possible pandemic in the fall."

Many public health experts also remember the 1976 swine flu outbreak that wasn't.

Manufacturers raced to make a vaccine and 40 million Americans were vaccinated amid a monster public relations campaign. But the flu never spread.

"One big difference between then and now was that when the swine flu was detected in 1976, it was found at a single military installation in Ft. Dix, New Jersey," said Dr. Harvey Fineberg, president of the Institute of Medicine and author of "The Epidemic that Never Was."

"In the ensuing weeks and months it was not detected elsewhere -- not elsewhere in New Jersey, not elsewhere in the United States, not elsewhere in the rest of the world."

Worse yet, some people developed a rare neurological reaction to the vaccine called Guillain-Barre syndrome. Even now, a considerable minority of people believe that vaccines are harmful.

In contrast, said Fineberg, this virus spread globally in a matter of weeks, carried by holidaymakers and jet travel, and has shown it can be transmitted from one person to another.

"Last week the lesson is we got lucky," said Sandman. "We have no reason to think we will stay lucky."

He hopes the alarm bells will continue to ring, at an appropriate level.

"I just hope the government is more worried about the public being caught with its pants down than the government being called fearmongerers," Sandman said.

Fineberg agreed. "One thing we have learned about flu is we should not be surprised by anything," he said.

(Reporting by Maggie Fox)

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE54418Q20090505?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10528


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"What happens if swine flu goes away?"

 
It would be a good thing..
 
We have had mild pandemics in the past.  They have no clue until it winds around a bit in
 
Indonesia and South America etc.... and comes back... if at all.... in the fall.
 
 
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

No offense to any government workers here, but you really can't trust the government these days.   Bottom line, this thing is not over until we get through next winter, period.   The WHO is getting people to lower their guards, and it is way too early for that still. 


I think much of their decision making is economics (flu bad for the economy).   I agree with you Albert, we don't know until we see what happens during the winter. 
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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

"What happens if swine flu goes away?"

 
It would be a good thing..
 
We have had mild pandemics in the past.  They have no clue ubtil it winds around a bit in
 
Indonesia and South America etc.... and comes back... if at all.... in the fall.
 
 
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Yes, agree.  This is so new and was devastating in Mexico possibly still is and we don't really know now what its doing.   Too much that we don't still know about this.


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It could in fact stay mild.  Since H5N1 seems stable, this could end the threat of "The Next Pandemic" for the next few decades, which works for me.  H5N1 might make the jump to humans in another 40 years from now like how the swine flu did after first appearing in 1976, but we won't be around for that one.  Maybe we will be calling it quits around here in another 5 or 6 months from now if this stays mild.   I'm looking forward to ending the pandemic threat once and for all.    
 
    
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

It could in fact stay mild.  Since H5N1 seems stable, this could end the threat of "The Next Pandemic" for the next few decades, which works for me.  H5N1 might make the jump to humans in another 40 years from now like how the swine flu did after first appearing in 1976, but we won't be around for that one.  Maybe we will be calling it quits around here in another 5 or 6 months from now if this stays mild.   I'm looking forward to ending the pandemic threat once and for all.   


It will never be over in our lifetime Albert. We have a 25% chance each year of a Pandemic. I just posted an hour ago or so WHO is reporting a big jump in cases.

I think our leaders have a bad case of ostrich head in the sand. If they bury their heads, it will go away.

It is spreading. Did you notice "now they are going to give out test kits" we might get more positives. Now there is a real news flash.

When has it been mild? 2% is equal to the 1918 Pandemic. You realize two days ago they were saying there had only been 80 cases in Mexico. So 24 people die. That is mild?  Don't we now have hundreds of cases in the U.S.

This is more wishful thinking. Even the Bubonic plague went away- eventually.

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Great News if this whole thing ends. I will have all this food to donate to the food bank, which is great! I will keep my dry food for any emergency...never know flood, tornado, blizzard, and anything else.

Let us pray it goes away! I do not want to SIP or worry my child may die.
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98% of people lived during the 1918 pandemic.  Most of the millions dying were from poorer countries/tropics.  There they are currently suffering from many different diseases.  Here is some info from CIDRAP.
 
 

SWINE FLU BREAKING NEWS: Case counts, states reduce testing, European outbreaks, age range, quarantines in China

May 5, 2009

The global case count for the novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) virus reached 1,490 cases and 30 deaths today, up from 1,085 cases with 26 deaths yesterday, Dr. Keiji Fukuda of the World Health Organization (WHO) reported at a briefing. He said the increase represents a combination of laboratories catching up on testing and continued spread of the virus. The WHO's latest online update showed cases in 21 countries. The hardest-hit countries were Mexico, 590 cases; the United States, 286 cases yesterday; Canada, 140; Spain, 54, and the United Kingdom, 18. [WHO update]

The US count rose to 403 confirmed cases in 38 states as of this morning, up from 286 cases yesterday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported. The death toll remained at 1. New York had 90 cases, followed by Illinois with 82, California, 49, Texas, 41, and Delaware, 20. [CDC swine flu page]

Some states, including Minnesota, North Carolina, and New Hampshire, are cutting back on testing for the new flu virus. Minnesota said it would test only hospitalized patients, sick healthcare workers, and those who seek treatment from providers involved in an influenza surveillance system. North Carolina and New Hampshire announced similar moves, according to newspaper reports. Officials said the virus is behaving more like seasonal influenza, and its wide geographic extent makes the identification of individual cases less useful in tracking the epidemic. [Minnesota statement]

Fukuda said the WHO is not yet seeing clear signs of community transmission in Europe, although Spain had 54 cases and the United Kingdom had 18 as of early today. He said the cases in Spain are related to travel, while the UK has some travel-linked cases in schools.

Most patients continue to be young, for reasons that are yet clear, though it may be because younger people tend to travel more, Fukuda reported. He also said that many of the patients who died were young, but he couldn't give an age range for the fatal cases.

A US embassy official in Beijing said four US citizens were quarantined in China because of the new flu virus, though two have been released, according to an Associated Press/CBS News report. Embassy spokeswoman Susan Stevenson said the Americans either had flu-like symptoms or were close to cases of interest to Chinese authorities. Also quarantined in China were 29 students and a professor from the University of Montreal, none of whom were sick, the story said. [CBS/AP report]

 
 
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     There is a far greater danger than the H1N1 influenza A virus the is the threatening H5N1 bird flu virus & don;t forget about SARS which may come back. Another thing to worry about is when the bird flu virus mutates together with the H1N1 virus. The new virus will be more infectious to humans or transmitted human to human & a killer virus with a high mortality rate. Although the bird flu is endemic to south east asia and have fewer human infection compared to the H1N1 virus its mortality rate is beyond 40%. So if 10 milion people were infected by the new virus about 4m people will die of the new disease. All outbreaks should then be treated prompyly  especially the influenza A virus that is capable of constant mutation.  
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WHAT I HAVE BEEN LOOIKING AT IS THE HUMAN BEHAVIAR  TO A PANDAMIC ...
AND OUR BEHAVIOR IS MORE PREDICTABLE THAN THE VIRUS .
 
FIRST: FEAR...LOOSING ONES ILLUSION OF TOTAL CONTROL IN LIFE.
 
SECOND.: TURNING TO THE COVERNEMENT TO RESTORE AND SECURE THAT FEEL OF CONTROL.(PLEASE INJECT ME WITH WHAT-EVER..MAKE IT GO AWAY..)
 
THIRTH: DENY IT....IT DOESN T LOOK THAT BAD...ONLY XXX HAVE DIED IN SUCH A BIG WORLD.
 
ITIS AMAZING TO SEE THAT THE REACTION OF GOUVERNEMENT NOW IS SIMULAR TO THAT OF 1918........WRONG INFO ON PROTECTION( TAMIFLU...MOUTHMASKS)
                      OVER REACTING WHEN NOT NEEDED...AND UNDER-REACTING WHEN NEEDED.
                     
WHEN A PANDAMIC OF  DEADLY PROPORTIONSHOULD BE ATOUT DOORSTEP....I THINK
STOCKING FOOR FOR 18 MONTHS IS UNREAL....BUT SUPLY FOR A FEW MONTHS GIVES YOUTHE TIME TO MAKE FURHTER STEPS....WICHONES IS UP THE THE INDIVIDUAL.
 
ME PERSONAL.... I  AM KEEPING MY EYE OUT FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY IN THE PYRINEES...
WHO LIVE ON THEIR OWN...GROWN THEIR OWN FOOD...AND DON T HAVE MUCH CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD. THEY DON T NEED TO STOCKFOOD...THEY GROW WHAT THEY NEED. ..AND HAVE BEEN ENDURING FOR TENS OF YEARS....MAYBE THE BEST SHOT...
GOD"S SPEED.
 
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Great News if this whole thing ends. I will have all this food to donate to the food bank, which is great! I will keep my dry food for any emergency...never know flood, tornado, blizzard, and anything else.

Let us pray it goes away! I do not want to SIP or worry my child may die.
 
If the swine flu does go away, does that mean it is really all over ? avian flu i mean, what about the birds that will still have the H5N1 is it not able to cause another pandemic with some sort of mutated strain ? after the swine flu will we really be safe or safe for a year or two when another novel virus happens ?
Just a thought, but i think i will stay prepared.
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end of cheap bacon?
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i would have more faith in the story if the critics were identified .  They say this and they say that .   Who they .But the world health has offered their names and names of scientists and they are based on research. 
And of course it could blow over.  Like it or not .
We have large scale commercial farming , we have it in countries with large scale poverty and cost costing methods rule. So Yes we are in danger . 
Maybe the focus should be on where we get our food and why does a American company need to be in Mexico without regulated food inspections and not just mexico
 
 
 
    
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Is the real issue large scale farming practices and the unpredicibility of it.
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   If it fizzles out I'll just keep prepping as before. This isn't a one time deal for me now. Since I started prepping and hanging out with my fellow AFTers on a regular basis, my whole attitude has changed. I've amassed a lot of preps in the past couple of years, and now even my backpack (which I carry everywhere) has a comprehensive first aid kit, two flashlights, lighters and spare fuel, red LED signal light, bug repellent, sunscreen, pepper spray, two multi-tools, distress whistle, wet wipes, hand sanitizer, two N95 masks, and nitrile gloves. Even my keyring is a combined multi-tool and flashlight LOL
  I look at the world and I see all kinds of things that could derail the cozy lifestyle so many think is untouchable. Terrorists getting  their hands on nukes and hitting a city (or unleashing an EMP attack), earthquake, wildfires, famine, seemingly unstoppable population growth, climate change - the list is awful long if you choose to accept that this period of unprecedented peace and stability is unusual for us as a species. Something will come along to shake us up and when it does I want to be prepared for my family's sake, because I think there are things out there too big for any government to fix, and a major pandemic is just one of them. Despite everything though, I actually feel safer these days because I know I'd be in a much better position to survive than most, both mentally and in the way I've prepped.
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