Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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plainsman
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 8:02pm |
I come on this board, I feel like I'm in "Close Encounters of The Third Kind" and I've just climbed this steep hill only to find a bunch of nuts waiting for some lights to come around the bend?
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What do you mean? I dont see it. -K
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LagrangeCalvert
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Well, you'll know you're in trouble when you hear those famous five notes.
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I really need to get out more! -K
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plainsman
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Now if I could just find that good looking woman with the cute little boy. :-)
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LagrangeCalvert
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But remember plainsman, the lights were real in the end.
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Guys, What does this have to do with AI discussion? Geez I sound like a moderator. |
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plainsman
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I think that's what makes it so scary LC.
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plainsman
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Sorry stormrider, didn't mean to ignore you, but you really need to see the movie to understand what we're talking about. Heck, over on the Members Only board there's a prayer group and another group that's ready to ride off into oblivion in an altered state. All we need now is some H a r e K r i s h n a's beating on their drums and I believe I'd freak! Anybody know how the bird in the cage is doing? Edited by plainsman |
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FlulessinDC
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Plainsman, Please understand that a lot of these people have been following bird flu for two years or longer... They have been thinking about the "what-ifs" and sometimes lying awake at night thinking what was previously unthinkable - for a long time. They want (and probably need) a way to cohesively say "we're all in this together" and to collectively let go of the strain for a while. I don't agree with everything that is said on this website. But I do believe that everyone here is trying to take this seriously and do the best they can for themselves and their families. Sometimes that will take the form of some fairly far-fetched or paranoid-sounding ideas as people feel their way through these previously uncharted waters... But they are doing the best they can in a very scary situation with very little concrete information. Cut 'em some slack and enjoy the personalities here - and take the good information that you find and use it. That's why we're all here. |
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plainsman
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I've always found a little humor to help lighten the load.
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shrug
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I’ve concluded that denial can be as contagious as any virus ever known because I am seeing a whole lot of people around me just sticking their heads in the sand. (couldn’t resist). Or maybe nervously trading bird jokes – but in most cases, they are carefully avoiding the subject. Some will mention petulantly that it won’t be easy to stop eating chicken, since it’s such a basic part of their diet. Truth is they don't have a CLUE.This feeling of being stuck in a Hitchcock film is giving me the creeps. Edited by shrug |
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plainsman
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Old African saying: When the ostrich sticks it's head in the ground, it leaves it's butt hanging in the air. :-) |
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gypsybeach1
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The people where i work are committed to ignoring
bird flu. It's like they absolutely refuse to acknowledge any threat of any kind of virus. So, what i do is joke with them about. I tell them straight up with a smile that i am obsessed with bird flu. whenever anyone sneezes or coughs, i ask if they have bird flu, jokingly of course. I announce daily the new countries that it is in. I told my boss about the duck hunter in greece that was suspected to have contracted bird flu right after he went duck hunting. i am bullying them with laughter and jokes about the impending bird flu. "When the electricity goes off because of bird flu, you won't have to worry about your computer crashing". I do these things about once a week. Not enough to get on their nerves, but hopefully enough to make them pull their heads out of their tailfeathers and know that it's out there and it's coming here. Tammy |
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pola33193
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Plainsman , Hi ! Pola here" READY TO RIDE OFF INTO OBLIVION IN AN ALTERED STATE "! Shrug ,Hi ,"NERVOUSLY TRADING BIRD JOKES-BUT IN MOST CASES THEY ARE CAREFULLY AVOIDING THE SUBJECT " Well guys what can I say ,let me see first of all I am 85 % done with my preparations for 4 adults , 4 dogs ,1 big beautiful Bird parrot , and 1 cat. I have been dealing with this for a long time now , at least I have comb inced 50% of my family and friends to take BF seriously and take action , I am certain that I am doing everything I can to help others deal with their preparations and definitely have received S^%* from others ! Like a lot of people in this forum I already passed the hysterical phase , and now I am in a very straight forward ready to go to war ,bring it on , WHAT CAN WE DO !!!!!! Yes , I am very nervous but I am ready ! I do think that a little humor is great for those really hard moments . Maybe some people should try it !
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mom 4 six
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plainsman, i first checked into this board after reading several days of news'snow bird flu section and then getting a little worried. that was in november of 2005. I think alot of the people on this board are just like me- we are seeing and feeling something that is pushing us to act. We also have a need to discuss our concerns, but noone (or very few) people around us have a clue about what we are talking about. So we are laughed at, or told to relax and give it a rest. Coming on here is a way to vent in a friendly and accepted place. Some of us may do that in different ways from others, but i think when it comes down to it we all are working for about the same goal- protecting ourselves and our families from something we fear.
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you said it perfectly, mom 4 6. People don't want to see or worry. They rather hide their heads in the sand, like Plainsman said. Someone else can fix it for all of us.
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seesthelight
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Plainsman< this post is in favor of your humor>...I think the sense of humor is good and I also think we all need to keep our heads about us. If we can joke and still focus on reality we are doing good. I came to this board because I lost a son to the flu in 2005. I didn't find this site to grieve I came because it didn't matter whether it became the pandemic that they were saying might happen ..I came to see what people thoughts were on what we were all reading and being told by worldwide governments. I wanted to see if what was being released to the press was being evaluated and sucked in by the readers as the absolute, that WHO etc were trying to pass off. There are just as many people who go overboard with the flu pandemic scare as there are who won't even think about it, as if, it will NEVER happen. I am the inbetween, I am amazed at how this is being handled or not handled depending on your perspective. But the long and short of it all is...I think humor is a really good thing to hang on to ...it will get us through the worst of things one way or the other and its good when humor can still work its miracle. I know for me there was a time when I couldn't even smile....thank goodness I have found how to do that again. We just all need to find that balance thats the most important thing. PS(what is tasteful humor obviously is different for each one of us but hopefully whatever works can't be all bad either, just my last thoughts for what its worth.) Keep laughing and smiling and don't lose the balance, thats what i tell myself anyway. |
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When you tell people about the thousands of deaths from Bird flu in
China and the possibility of thousands more in India, they think you're
nuts because the WHO says just 91 have died.
Funny that! You can show them the news articles where the count was 14 dead in Indonesia before the WHO found a new way to tabulate the numbers. After the WHO recounted, there were only three dead. Similar counting "tricks" were played out in the other South East Asian countries, where hundreds have died of pneumonia but were not counted as having died from Bird Flu. The thousands of deaths in China are estimated. NOBODY will ever know the exact number, but the Boxun Reports are reliable enough to aide the estimations. The people who posted about what happened around Qinghai Lakes and in Sichuan back in April to September of last year risked death or imprisonment for their posts. They would have little reason to lie. India lumps Bird flu fatalities into accounting for various diseases. When there is no other outbreak in the immediate area where a Bird Flu brushfire has broken out, they simply call it "Mystery Illness" and refuse to identify it. That way, they have been able to maintain for years now that they do not have Bird Flu in their squalid country. They've had it. Hell, they even helped breed it. Now that it has had ample opportunity to mix with other H5N1 strains it can not be tracked back to their faulty immunization program and they can not be blamed for this scourge on humanity. I bleme them and that is all that matters. Sichuan Sheet might just as well be called Calcutta Crap. |
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plainsman I sometimes compare this forum to where I work. We have 'Diversity' groups. I (of course) am active in the Bible study group. There is a huge range from religious to life style choices. One of the life style group is called the Lesbian, Gay and Transgenger group. They like to go onto our website (the Bible group) and read what we have posted, then take things that offend them to HR. Now you want to bring comedy into something, things there can get a little hilarious.... Remember years ago when people thought those who claimed to be taken up by flying saucers loonitics? Now there are shows where military personal, pilots and even astronauts give their accounts of encounters of the third kind. There are things out there we just don't know about, yeah it's good to stay lighthearted about it - but a good reality check may help keep you alive with this one. |
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There is nothing in anyones experiences that prepares them for what we are all struggling with. For some, they don't want to know and it might be kinder, others can't conceive the possibility, or they deal with things, until it gets close and personal. Focus you energies on those things you can impact on and let go of those things you can't control. Keep your powder dry. |
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I would rather think about going into oblivion..then in time find out I will be oblivious.... I have been following avian flu for a long time now..and let me tell you if you are just finding out about it now..it has been a scarey roller coaster ride..and the ride is not just thought of this going H2H....it is the lies and false reports,the non reports the cover ups... We are the sane ones...it is the sand hidders and governments cover ups that are the " Close Encounters of The Third Kind"... if they would report the truth and tell more people to get ready just in case..with out causing a huge panic... I cannot tell you how many times a story has hit about a person who has not been in contact with a bird has gotten sick and there has been no follow up to the story..or how when they do report, it was 3 months ago that said person got sick and had H5N1...imagine there are over 6 and half BILLION person on the earth and it will only take ONE>>ONLY ONE...to have this mutate....odds are ONE in 6.6 billion this will go H2H and cause the next human pandemic...when I first stared reading about avian flu they reported it would take at least 5-10 years for this to mutate and become a concern..now it has been since 1997,possibly earlier that H5N1 has been around and started its killing spree in birds..first chickens,and then it went to pigs...now swans and ducks...this is a rolling snowball and it keeps rolling and growing well sooner or later it will hit the wall and explode... |
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Jadeka
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You know.. I can honestly say, that i'm a bit 'addicted' to the bird flu.
I've been following bird flu about two years now. I know it's there, and if it comes it comes. If i live through it, thats something to tell to my grandkids. But this whole 'All over the news' thing is what makes me 'addicted' to bird flu, i just like to follow the news and wait when the first human-to-human transmission is going to happen. But when it comes to me, i'm sure i don't like it anymore. Call me sick or whatever. I think nowdays it's the medias fault, the media makes every horrible disaster into a entertainment show. But i'm not going to buy loads of food or anything like that. I'm just not a person who does stuff like that, and i'm young(19) and i don't have kids, so I live pretty much without any fears. I'm not an religious person or anything like that, i believe in myself. And i love the nature. I'm more worried what will happen in poor countries, I live in Finland and i know that we have a very good health care system. I know, if it get's bad, it doesn't really matter, but i think we are in better position than let's say India, Africa. I feel sorry for them. They have nothing, they live on the streets with their chicken. Ough, sorry this was off-topic. Some people here in Finland are actually annoyed how much they talk about bird flu, one of them is my mom. I understand them, we all know it's coming, and we don't need to hear it all the time. If it comes here, let it be so. Edited by Jadeka |
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Muskrat, I agree with you so much! I've put away about 6 weeks worth. Going to try to go to 12 weeks
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Ditto - The Dollar Store Guy and I are on First Name Terms. Prep-On |
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fritz
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Muskrat I guess the experts who said 5-10 years in 1997 were right on the money. You can consider yourself lucky to have had so much time to observe the sit. and prep. I wish I had! At the risk of going into another bad personal story....... My cousin's wife came down with what her Dr. said was a bad stomach virus. She had all the usual symptoms but they were severe and continued for 3 days. On the 3rd day my aunt went over to her house and said "I'm taking you to the hospital" - good thing - she was almost in complete renal failure. She was at a fundraising dinner on Wed. evening (got sick that night) and by Sat. she was air lifted to NYU and went right to #1 on the liver transplant list waiting for a donor. She had been a slim, fit and healthy woman in her early 30's one minute (had just had her 2nd child less than a year earlier) and at deaths door the next. A donor with a good match was found and she had the transplant on about the 5th day she was there. I'm told NYU is the #1 hospital in the area for this surgery. They almost did her kidneys too which were starting to go but they decided not to and they did come back to functioning well. The big question we all had was how could this happen? And the Dr.s told us that they get 3-5 cases like this a month and they attribute it to unknown viruses just floating around out there. BF is not the only one. There are many of these weird viruses out there that most people never hear of because they don't know anyone who has gotten sick but the transplant team said they had seen some really scarey ones and this was about 5 or 6 years ago now. They had no idea where she might have picked it up and if it would've done the same damage to someone else exposed to the same virus but it is out there. Truly scarey stuff. BTW, she is alive and doing ok. |
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