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I've had the 1st dose of the moderna vaccine.  I had a little mild soreness at the injection site the next day. Otherwise, it was a piece of cake.  I have had a lot of serious health problems this year.    I will admit to being a bit nervous about it at the time, but I refused to allow rumors and facebook posts from questionable sources influence my decision.  I'm really happy with my choice.

I now feel comfortable visiting my 85 year old dad, who has had both injections.  I worry less about accidentally infecting my residents.  I may actually return to shopping in stores, which will save me money.  It may also help the environment and local economy,  since I will depend less on amazon and shipping to acquire products that may be available locally.

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A friend of mine had the vaccine (I'm not sure which one) in Feb. Two days later she woke up to find she had lost the use of her right arm. It's completely dead. She's just been diagnosed with Parsonage Turner Syndrome, which if you google it, says it's an autoimmune disease that has a sudden onset normally due to some trigger - such as a vaccination. There's no cure. She's 53 years old and is devastated and in severe pain. Make of it what you will.

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From that I draw the conclusion that the pro-vaccine lobby lies as well.  Both sides of the argument do.  NO MEDICAL PROCEDURE IS WITHOUT RISK and a vaccine (as it goes into the body) classifies as an invasive medical procedure.

The anti-vax lobby lies too, probably far more, but neither side is above at least twisting the truth.

Comparing the risks from both sides ('And both sides DO carry risks!) getting the vaccine is still a very good idea.  Parsonage Turner Syndrome*  is rare, far rarer than long covid.  PTS is also temporary, whereas some cases of long covid involve permanent neurological damage.

I would not be surprised if the vaccines kill a few people; however the disease kills millions.   


In conclusion, I have no real worries over getting the vaccine (any of them) but fear the virus considerably.  



Having said that, I do wish the medical profession was more honest about the (admittedly tiny) risks.  I can see that the other side of the argument's proponents lie as well, but I expect that from the unregulated.  Getting lied to by the professionals, even by omission, greatly annoys me!  It makes me feel as if I am assumed to be so stupid I can't do simple arithmatic.




* 'Acute brachial neuritis'  https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/parsonage-turner-syndrome/

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She had the Pfizer vaccine.

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second dose of prizer today at 10:15 mountain time so 5 hours later and no issues!!

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Sister in law in UK had pfizer felt very ill after,sore swollen arm,she is 50 years old ,

I said before my Mom and her sisters all over 85 had pfizer all ok no problems......

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Folks, I am an expert in vaccines and vaccination....there are some truly nasty vaccines in the world (smallpox being one), but any of the vaccines being offered for COVID-19 are extremely safe and effective! 

The use of messenger RNA instead of a killed or attenuated organism (i.e. polio, influenza etc.) is unique.  We are immunized with a tiny bit of genetic coding that stimulates our own cells to produce ONLY the immunogenic coronavirus surface spike protein, which the body will learn to recognize and then neutralize with antibodies and immune response cells.  

All of them seem very safe, my wife and I received both doses of the Moderna vaccine, but I would have accepted anything, even Sputnik V from Russia!!  Johnson & Johnson is a nice breakthrough for a one-shot version, and we will certainly have boosters in the near future to ensure a strong immune response and immunity to rapidly evolving strains.  

PLEASE GET WHATEVER VACCINE YOU CAN, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!   Believe me, you do NOT wish to catch even a mild form of this virus.  Be safe and cheers, Charles the DrPH

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Well, Technobrat and I got the Astra-Zenica jab.  

It is too early to draw conclusions, but it could have been water in the jab, for all the reaction I have so far.


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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

....there are some truly nasty vaccines in the world (smallpox being one),

I think I'm one of the youngest people alive who've had the smallpox vaccine. I was given it as a new born baby because we travelled a lot. Interestingly I've been seeing an alternative medicine therapist for the last year to help combat an allergy I have and in her initial assessment of my state of health, she handed me a list of all the vaccines I've had - the machine she was using identified them - and they showed up because I've literally had every vaccine going including yellow fever, typhoid, smallpox, hepatitis a and b, meningitis, you name it, I've had it. I remember on one trip to Africa in the late 70s, as a young child, being jabbed in each arm and each leg all on the same day. That night we had to have our clothes cut off us because our limbs were too painful to move.

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I envied you the smallpox (Mum would not let me have it and now it is no longer available.)  but that is horriffic!  

I don't envy you that!

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Hey everyone. Roni From Colorado reporting 2nd dose of Prizer 2 days ago with no negative side effects.  I had a little bit of a headache but advil knocked it out.  I am fully vaccinated and 2 weeks away from hopefully being immune (fingers crossed).  Good luck to everyone getting theirs and stay safe!

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I envied you the smallpox (Mum would not let me have it and now it is no longer available.)  but that is horriffic!  

I don't envy you that!

I've been vaccinated against smallpox twice!!  Once when young (I was born in 1955), and once before I traveled to Africa in 1979 (it wasn't officially declared eradicated at that time). 

The smallpox vaccine is based on a live virus, vaccinia, which is actually the old "cowpox" virus that Jenner first used!  When we are vaccinated, we have a small but very active viral infection at the inoculation site, and this sheds living virus for a brief time. 

Our US servicemen & women were given many doses of smallpox prior to invading Iraq, as there was concern that Saddam had a lot of weaponized smallpox (we never found any).  Because of this, some servicemen ended up transmitting the virus to family members, even as an STD!   This is interesting;

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5925a2.htm

The risk of anyone obtaining smallpox (variola virus) is very small, as nearly all stores have been destroyed except for a few research samples kept in the US and Russia.  However, very old frozen lab samples of smallpox have shown up on occasion, and since smallpox has a whopping 50% fatality rate, it is considered the worst of potential bioterrorism agents, so we are always alert for it in society.   I don't lose much sleep over smallpox, I have other more pressing concerns! 


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It looks as if I will have a loooooooooooong wait as I am healthy and under 70 years old!   The latest news regarding Finland is "vaccinations for non-at-risk adults could begin in late June or early July. "

I am still checking almost daily to see in my wife can get vaccinated, but she is in Risk Group 2 (for asthma), and our local community is still working on Risk Group 1.  The trouble for small communities is the vaccine comes in batches of 1,000, involving a lot of logistic work to make sure it is not wasted.

One good news is that as time goes on more people are saying that they plan to get vaccinated.



ps. I also have the scars on my left arm from the smallpox vaccination.  

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Quick update:  Astra Zenica jab.

Technobrat and I both had some unpleasant reactions on the second day (headache, chills, temperature and joint pain)  It lasted one day for me and two for her.

I have conjunctivitis today.  I can't tell if this was the jab or not, as I occasionally get conjunctivitis from allergies.  It took longer than usual to clear.  Under normal circumstances, my recurrant case goes away if I go back to sleep for a couple of hours.  It is receding now, but the 'cure' failed this time.

My arm never got sore; Technobrat's still hurts a bit.

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Hi Everyone...I'm in Florida (FWIW). My 84 year old mom received the Pfizer vaccines (1/29 & 2/19) - her arm was a bit sore from the 2nd one, but other than that she felt fine. Our neighbors (both over 65 yo) also received the Pfizer vaccines and had no issues (hubby felt a bit achy after the 2nd dose - but only for a day). My hubby and I are under 65 but qualified as 'extremely vulnerable' due to underlying health issues and received our 1st dose (Pfizer) on 3/10. He was totally fine - I had injection site soreness/swelling/redness that lasted a couple of days but beyond that, nothing. Our 2nd doses are scheduled for 3/31. 

Prior to the pandemic, my mama would have two of her 'little old lady friends' come over a few times a week to play cards. One of her friends' 2 week window ends this week - and they cannot wait to get together and play cards again.  Social isolation on the elderly has been really, really hard.  

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Hi LCfromFL, I couldn't agree more about the social isolation. And not just on the elderly. I have some young cousins in the UK who are thoroughly depressed from the isolation. I feel that the draconian enforcement of isolation seen in care homes is tantamount to false imprisonment. Surely these homes have overstepped their boundaries and removed all civil rights from the elderly. I could understand it if the staff were isolated with the residents, but they're not. They still get to go home and to the shops and every day they risk bringing the virus into work with them. What's the difference then between allowing the staff to come and go and allowing relatives to visit on occasion? In my mind it's an abuse of power.

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I fear that we will be reaping the consequences of this isolation for decades to come.  


It is so hard to find the balance between maintaining mental health and physical health.  Isolation affects everyone, of every age, and I am afraid that we haven’t begun to see the side effects of it yet.

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41M, had the 1st shot Moderna yesterday. My arm is a little sort at the injection site and I am a little drowsy. Also have a little bump on the top of my right hand, but I think it's from using the mouse/computer a lot yesterday. 


If you're in the US and go on CVS.com, you can schedule an appointment there. I put down that I was in the 16+ and high risk category, since I recently had a positive Lyme diagnosis. Nobody asked for any more documentation when I went to get the vaccine. 

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My Mom  85yrs,had second dose ,I'm guessing pfizer ,as she had that 1st,

This time she says bit aching in arms and legs and site of jab,

Lasted 24 hours she took Panadol went to bed ,ok next day....

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I had my second dose of the Moderna vaccine a couple of weeks ago.  I actually had a noticeable immune response to it beyond a sore shoulder for a day.  The afternoon of my injection, I felt a wave of heat, like maybe I was starting to get feverish.  It lasted 10 - 20 minutes.   I was working, and I did not have time to stop and take my temperature until I was completely back to normal.  


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From an EU country.  I still have no idea of when I will be offered a vaccination.   My wife, who is in Risk Group 2 (for asthma) but under 65, is also still not eligible, but should have her first dose by the end of May.


Although badly hit by the spread of the virus, both the US and the UK seem to have done well in vaccination production.

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Our vaccine rollout seems to be a disaster......

I say seems because I'm not sure if it's by incompetence or by  design......

By design I mean on purpose,

We have it under control and economy is good,I think other countries are more in need so maybe it's going elsewhere !!!!! Not sure yet time will tell.....

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ABC News: Scott Morrison abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated against COVID-19 by the end of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/scott-morrison-abandons-covid-19-vaccination-target/100061998


And there's only 20 million of us ...!!!!!!

Can't be that hard......

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