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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-us-led-coup-attempt-in-iraq-may-further-weaken-that-country.html and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-iran-silent-war-suddenly-transformed-iraq-uprising:
The critical economic situation is making the Middle East vulnerable to unrest. Most countries are suffering due to the US sanctions on Iran and the monstrous financial expenditure on US weapons. US President Donald Trump is trying hard to empty Arab leaders’ pockets and keep Iran as the main scarecrow to drain Gulf finances. The Saudi war on Yemen is also another destabilizing factor in the Middle East, allowing plenty of room for tension and confrontation.

Iraq seems headed for instability as one aspect of the multidimensional US war on Iran; the US is demanding support and solidarity from Gulf and Arab countries to stand behind its plans. Iraq is not conforming to all US demands. The Iraqi parliament and political parties represent the majority of the population; regime change is therefore unlikely, but neighboring countries and the US will continue to exploit domestic grievances. It is not clear whether Abdel Mahdi will manage to keep Iraq stable. What is clear is that US-Iran tensions are not sparing any country in the Middle East.

DJ-Iraq is between Iran and Saudi Arabia (R.I.C. and U.S.I.). Looking at the region the US is NOT in a position to get Iraq under control, Iran is.

By increasing pressure on Iran's neighbours the US may find they will further lose ground.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-kurdish-sources-are-reporting-the-withdrawal-of and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-increases-presence-in-northern-aleppo-to-block-potential-turkish-army-operation-video/

DJ-A Turkish invasion of Kurdish held parts of Syria must be part of talks in the Astana-group between Turkey, Iran and Russia. In my (DJ) opinion such a Turkish invasion may be used to force Kurdish groups to make up their mind. Do they want to be under Assad or Ankara ? (The chances for a Kurdish state are zero).
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-policy-shift-us-pulls-out-syria-ahead-imminent-turkish-invasion;
In a major policy shift that abandons nearly a decade of American policy in Syria, the White House announced late Sunday night that US forces in northern Syria would step aside to allow a planned Turkish offensive. The decision follows late-night haggling between President Trump and President Erdogan, who had threatened a "land and air" offensive "as soon as today or tomorrow."

The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured ove the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial "Caliphate" by the United States."
(DJ-https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-turkish-media-14-000-fsa-fighters-to-participate Those IS fighters will most likely be used as pro-Turkish fighters against the Kurds. Maybe Russia will "stop" this-bomb them away.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-forces-allegedly-withdraw-from-turkish-border/;
According to the Syrian Democratic Forces, this Turkish military operation will cause a resurgence of the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS, Daesh) in the regions they control.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-special-forces-open-new-euphrates-crossing-between-sdf-saa-lines-photos/ and https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-the-first-consequences-of-the-us-withdrawal--failure
SAA and Russian forces take over (some) US positions (working with the Kurds ???) https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608055/US-gives-green-light-Turkish-offensive-Syria

https://www.rt.com/news/470330-europe-new-refugee-crisis-seehofer/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201910071076978054-russia-to-implement-contracts-for-delivering-weapons-to-iraq/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608053/Iraq-protests-evidence-paid-snipers,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-to-begin-new-air-defense-project-focused-on-cruise-missile-attack-from-iraq-media/

DJ-Is the US moving out of the Middle East or escalating the (many) conflicts in the area-or both ?

With US forces pulling out in some Kurdish held parts of Syria Kurdish groups may start working-on some conditions-with pro-Assad, Russian forces (?)

The "unrest" in Iraq seems to be another cia-job. It is related to events in Syria and meant to stop Iran, but also to stop Russia and China. Most likely this US operation will fail but can bring a lot of more damage.

The EU is not happy with;
-1 higher energy prices
-2 The US punishing Iraq for a electricity contract with a German company in stead of a US company
-3 Another refugee-crisis, more (US made) wars
-4 The US still making any Iran-deal impossible (even with Macron, Merkel pushing for US-Iran talks)

The gap between the EU and the US is only getting wider.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/saudi-crown-princes-final-option;
Open support for MBS will be in place very soon, with Russian president Vladimir Putin expected to head to Riyadh very soon. In stark contrast to the waning Trump-MBS friendship, Putin is openly a big supporter of the crown prince’s strategy and dreams. Russian sovereign wealth fund RDIF and others are flocking to Riyadh’s hotels as further evidence of Russian support. Moscow appears set to capitalize on Washington’s weak response to the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia, and MBS will be eager to take advantage. A closer Saudi-Russian relationship may end up helping to restrain Iran, as the Islamic Republic is heavily dependent on Moscow’s support.

(DJ-Saudi Arabia moving away from the US would again bring an end to the US-petro-$ closer. Yet another indication for the total failure of US foreign policy.
Turkey moving into Syria-if it happens-would do a lot of damage to NATO.)
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-trump-gives-green-light-for-another-turkish-invasion.html

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-a-turkish-armed-forces-convoy-is-making-entrance

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkey-commences-syria-attack-u-s-expels-turkey-from-joint-air-operations-center-cuts-off-intel-and-recon

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/10000-isis-unleashed-syrian-kurds-warn-mass-prison-break-amid-turkish-invasion

https://www.rt.com/news/470397-turkey-bombs-kurds-syria/

DJ-Some scenario's;

-The Kurds have to make a decision on what to do with the many thousends of IS-POW's. Since IS has no problem with genocide on Kurds the outlook for those POW's is "not good".

-Turkey moving into Kurdish held parts of Syria may start a regional Turkish-Kurdish war in Syria, Iraq, Turkey (and most likely all around the globe).

-The US breaking much of the communications with Turkey is the US giving up its main bases for operations in the Middle East.

In the past Turkey and Iran did fight Kurdish groups in Iraq. Iran may think twice on how to deal with the situation in Syria. Kurds there also control Arab parts-wich may be taken over by the SAA (and Iran ?).

Russia does want to limit a Turkish-Kurdish conflict. War is not a bases for Chinese investments. (DJ- I think also Turkey can not afford a very expensive endless war-may seek Russian, Iran mediation.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/full-turkish-assault-ne-syria-coming-next-24-hours-kurds-make-late-night-appeal and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-kurds-say-partnership-assad-or-russia-considered-if-turkey-invades

DJ-"Shadowdancing" on the eve of a Turkish invasion that may not come (at least not as a major operation).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-deploys-large-number-of-soldiers-to-deir-ezzor-for-potential-euphrates-offensive/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-spotted-south-of-afrin-city-photo/

DJ-The Kurds/SDF are pulling reserve forces north-so SE Syria is "open".
The Kurds may allow pro-Assad forces there to avoid IS like groups becoming a problem for the SDF facing the Turks.
Also in the already under (pro) Turkish controlled NW Syria Turkey is loking for "rebels" to fight the Kurds. That area may also get less defensed-giving the SAA (etc) room to move north.

The only realistic scenario left for the SDF is https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-considering-partnership-with-assad-to-fight-off-turkish-invasion/. When the Kurds fail to work with Assad Afrin-scenario is next for other parts of Syria.

https://iraq.liveuamap.com/ DJ-Increase of tensions in North (Kurdish) Iraq.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/08/608204/Russia-warns-actions-that-could-stall-peace-process-in-Syria

DJ-Russia wants to speed up talks in Syria to get out of the war. The outcome could be (I speculate) Russian observers on the Syria-Turkey border ?
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https://www.rt.com/news/470532-erdogan-syria-operation-start/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608250/Iran-Army-surprise-drills-Turkey-border

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-troops-commenced-invasion-of-syria-en-mass-at-5-30-edt-today;
Turkish troops have started crossing into Syria to force Kurdish militants away from its border. 50,000 troops, 500 tanks. Advance halted 3 kilometers inside border. Aircraft are bombing the Turkish convoys. No word if Syrian or Russian aircraft.

Turkish jets started bombing the Syrian border on Monday night ahead of the ground invasion.

DJ-No further confirmation of air attacks on Turkish forces-the Kurds do not have aircraft. There is some cross-border shelling into Turkey.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608266/Turkey-launches-military-invasion-into-northeastern-Syria-against-YPG-forces-;
Syria vows to confront Turkish operation

Earlier, the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates had condemned the Turkish planned military offensive on Kurdish positions in northeastern Syria, stressing the Damascus government's determination to confront the “Turkish aggression by all means.”

The ministry said in a statement released on Wednesday that the Syrian government condemns the “aggressive intentions of the Turkish regime” as well as the Turkish military build-up near the Syrian border, which it said constitutes a “blatant violation to the international law.”

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608269/Kurds-view-dialogue-with-Syria-positively DJ-When the Kurds want pro-Assad forces protection they should not wait that long.

The most likely goal is a Turkish safety zone 30km/20 miles deep south of the Turkish border-but this "plan" will not survive the fighting.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601
From here-Turkey airforce operating deep inside Kurdish held Syria a.o. bombing drinking water installations for two million people. https://twitter.com/ELINTNews, https://twitter.com/IntelCrab,

DJ-Syria will not accept this invasion and send most likely troops to help Kurdish fighters. Russia wants Turkey to respect Syria as a country. There was an IS escape, increase of IS activity (coordinated by the CIA ?)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-turkish-troops-tanks-travel-syria-us-backs-away

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-turkey-again-invades.html
The stupidity of the Kurds to (again) allow a Turkish invasion in their areas when there is the clear alternative of submitting the rightful Syrian government is amazing. One of the YPG leaders said yesterday they were "considering" that move. Isn't it a bit late for that?

The YPG Kurds still have not recognized that they were simply used a mercenaries by the U.S. and that their usefulness expired. They still beg those who betrayed them for help: (A no-fly zone ? By the US that is in Syria against international law ??? Or by NATO-Turkey ????)
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Chump has Blood on his hands now.....

I wonder what the Fool will do next...



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Here we go again round And round

On this infinite madness.....

Best bring on the "slate wiper"....

End it once and for all......
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carbon20, I think Trump is correct in saying the US should get out of the Middle East(ern conflicts). The endless wars in Afghanistan (since 2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011) Libya, Yemen etc. are not in the long-term US interests (only when you make weapons, protect oil interests).

Syria, Russia, Iran have told Turkey the Turkish invasion is unacceptable. They are in a position to stop Turkey. (Russia and China can stop bussiness with Turkey on tourism, new Silk Road etc. Turkey would like to be the link between Asia and the EU-but is making that option impossible now.)

There is a powerstruggle in the US with "democrats" trying to get rid of Trump (and get clinton and biden to run the US-not realy an improvement in my opinion). The CIA seems to be working against the pentagon, IS and alquada are US proxy armies.

When Trump pulls out US forces out of Iraq, Afghanistan there will be (some) chaos-hopefully others can fill the vacuüm.

The US problem goes much further than Trump-the US politics is a shame for the leading western nation.

There are some politicians in the US that understand you can not sanction almost every country in the world and expect friendly relations.

For the Kurds it would be wise when they start working with Russia to at least have some protection in Syria. The faillure to do so is a Kurdish (repeated) mistake (they made that mistake also during the Afrin-operations).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-eyes-oil-fields-across-euphrates-as-turkey-begins-northern-syria-operation/
DJ-A further lack of realism from the Kurdish side may be the end of any Kurdish dream of a Kurdish State.
With most Kurds fighting Turkey, little contol of IS POW's and unprotected oil-fields Syria (and Iran, Russia) will not let IS get in control of oilfields again.
Further Kurdish insanity may give the Kurds Turkish soldiers north of them and Syrian, Russian, Iran military in their back.

There are lots of updates etc. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910091076998735-live-updates-turkeys-offensive-peace-spring-in-northeastern-syria-begins/,
https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&sid=54ef239b0c64f32138f389115c2c8492&start=20,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

But the situation is complex and a lot of propaganda and false claims make the news. Basicly-the Kurds have no air force, Turkey has the second largest NATO army and thousends of proxy fighters. The Kurds do not have a realistic chance to keep positions very long.
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DJ-Main developments on the Turkish invasion in NE Syria will most likely be diplomatic. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-exit-putin-planning-deal-century-between-syria-turkey

The Turks with help from https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-us-backed-rebel-leader-now-leading-invasion-against-us-backed-syrian-kurds (and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-chemical-weapons-reportedly-left-idlib-for-kurdish-turk-war-zone) will get their safetyzone. May get genocidal on the Kurds.

Problem is that the Kurds have created the illusion of their own state without being able to have a proper defense. Since the Kurds do not want to accept Assad government the SAA may be limited in what they can do. (When they would join the Kurds the Kurds want to tell the Syrians what to do-while Syria/Assad wants to tell the Kurds what to do.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-govt-rules-out-peace-talks-with-kurdish-forces/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-claims-assad-killed-1-million-people-calls-sisi-a-murderer/
DJ-These headlines indicate Russia faces hard negotiations-and most likely (with Iran help-Iran has good relations with both Turkey and Assad-Russia also long term good relations with the Kurds) there may be some "pressure" needed to end the conflicts in Syria.
https://southfront.org/bulgaria-constructs-turk-stream-compressor-stations-before-even-1-km-of-pipeline-is-built/

Russia has several pipelines for oil/gas to the EU. When Turkey is not working good enough with Russia and Iran Russia-Iran-China can stop investments.

Other news;

https://southfront.org/supposed-missile-attack-hits-iranian-oil-tanker-near-saudi-shores/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-just-announce-end-us-primacy-pacific

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exit-cold-war-era-open-skies-treaty-banning-russian-recon-flights-over-us

DJ-The US foreign policy the last decades made many countries move away from the US. One may even claim that the Yugoslavia-wars caused Russia and China not to trust the "west" (with NATO moving much further east than agreed by the end of the Soviet Union etc.)

Using and dumping the Kurds in Syria remind me of US troops leaving Saigon-South Viet Nam after "vietnamizing" the basicly colonial war the US took over from the French in the sixties.

Without respect you can not have global stability. The powerstruggle in the US https://www.zerohedge.com/political/americas-political-implosion, https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-voters-agree-trumps-withdrawal-endless-wars may even see the US trying to get a new grip on Syria (with a US no-fly zone from US bases in Iraq, Syria-or maybe even a Russian-US cooperation in such a no fly zone ?).
But for the US the damage is done.

One can not blame Trump for starting the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen. Pulling back US interference may bring an end to those wars closer. (It was a war crime to start these wars-former US presidents-but also other western leaders should face trial).

It is unrealistic to think the US can stay "superpower #1" much longer. For that matter Trump needs to talk with Russia, India, China, the EU etc. not more tradewars and sanctions that-at the end-damage the US most.
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DJ-First images of mass murders by pro-Turkish forces in NE Syria (the same forces the west supported in Idlib as "moderate rebels" eventhough they are linked with alquaida, IS etc. Saudi sponsored terrorists).

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-forces-execute-head-of-pro-sdf-syrian-political-party/
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/horror-turk-troops-pull-unarmed-civilians-from-cars-and-shoot-them-all-in-syria

DJ-Ofcourse western "media" keeps this out of the news as well;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/us-and-french-soldiers-injured-by-turkish-artillery-hits-on-their-base-in-syria,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-bombed-us-special-forces-by-mistake-in-northern-syria-newsweek/ (Newsweek left out there were US soldiers killed by Turkey-a NATO partner), https://southfront.org/turkish-artillery-accidentally-shelled-us-forces-deployed-in-northern-syria/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/putin-casts-doubt-in-turkeys-ability-to-contain-isis-threat-in-syria/

DJ-There are also reports the US shared info on Kurdish positions with the Turkish Army. https://www.businessinsider.nl/us-shared-intelligence-turkey-may-have-aided-attack-on-kurds-2019-10?international=true&r=US

DJ Afrin gets repeated, the Kurds hang on to an illusion. https://southfront.org/kurdish-led-sdf-cries-foul-over-rapid-turkish-advance-in-northern-syria/

DJ-If there are indeed talks between Turkey and Syria-under Russian/Iran supervision those talks better bring results soon. Syria can not accept the Kurdish NE part of Syria being overrun by pro-Turkish (and IS linked) extremists. Syria can not deal with Turkey on its own.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/trump-brings-troops-back-home-to-saudi-arabia.html
DJ-The "west"keeps doing deals with the main IS sponsor Saudi Arabia. Of course the goal is to control oil and gas. The less people that are around the better. IS has shown to be very good in de-population.
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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077037552-live-updates-turkey-conducts-offensive-in-syria-for-5th-day-amid-growing-pushback/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-syrian-army-units-and-units-of-russian-forces,
https://www.rt.com/news/470859-syria-army-turkey-agression/

Russian and Syrian forces moving into SDF/Kurdish held area's to stop Turkey. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-a-kurdish-official-confirms-the-holding-of-talks

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkish-army-bombs-civilian-convoy, https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-u-s-to-deliberately-withdraw-remaining-troops-in-north-syria

Turkish war-crimes in Syria.

(DJ-Trump knew what would happen after pulling out US forces, shared info with Turkey,https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-latest-from-syria.html?fbclid=IwAR2FEO6BxdFStamYHlQU5QtJeNkol14SIZd08gAoVOQDZ8TLqIcjXdhYOuA)

DJ-(Pro)Turkish soldiers seem to be helping IS POW's. Is this coordinated with the CIA ? Is this a "plan B" to try again for regime change in Syria and stop Iran ?

Turkey most likely does not have any reason to trust the US. So Erdogan has to work with the (Astana) Russia, Iran. It can be Russia warned Turkey against its invasion with proxy-jihadi's against the Kurds.

When Turkey does not listen and the Kurds are willing to agree with Assad as Syrian leader some basic agreement may be reached.
-Stop genocide on Kurds by (western moderate rebels/alqauida/IS) pro-Turkish forces.
-Stop IS POW's getting any territory
-Further talks on the position of Kurds in Syria (maybe recognition of Kurdish culture, Kurdish army groups inside the SAA)
But basicly try to stop a new Afrin, clean Syria from (Saudi/US/EU backed) wahabist/salafist radical terrorists.
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-syrian-kurdish-officials-say-they-will-work-with Assad

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/syria-declares-war-on-turkey Russian no-fly zone over NE Syria ?
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Some good background articles;

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/margolis-more-stupid-wars-syria DJ-Turkey only has Russia, Iran to turn to, the EU/US do not want to talk with Erdogan. But when Turkey leaves NATO SE Europe/SW Asia "goes to the Russians".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/compromise-or-genocide-putins-deal-century-rapidly-unfolding-syria DJ-The Kurds could let themselves getting killed by https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2019-59.html "former IS fighters" and other "moderate western backed terrorists" or deal with Assad and Russia.

(DJ-A long term solution for the Kurds could be "cultural cooperation cross borders". The chance for Kurds to get their own state was not backed by the US anytime the last 5 years.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/, https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&start=50

DJ-Pro-Assad forces are moving high speed to take over Kurdish held area's. The SDF-for now-is needed to fight with "pro Turkish groups", most likely not under Turkish control, and the Turkish Army.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077037552-live-updates-turkey-conducts-offensive-in-syria-for-5th-day-amid-growing-pushback/ DJ-Both France and the US still have troops in NE Syria. To be realistic, events go that fast they may be surrounded in the coming 48 hrs by pro-Assad forces.

Today we will find out;
-How Turkey will respond to the Syria-Kurdish agreement
-Will Russia go for a "no-fly-zone" (some Kurdish held airbases are now under SAA control)
-Will there be control on IS camps (maybe Iraq troops moving in-for the moment ?)
-How will Iran, Israel respond ?

https://www.debka.com/task-of-stopping-turkey-passes-from-trump-to-putin-syrian-army-defends-threatened-kurdish-towns/
Already now, since the Syrian government is not up to a full-scale battle with the Turkish army without Russian army and air force support, Turkey and Russian stand at the threshold of a major military clash.

How Putin handles this standoff is open to question. He may be able to resolve it by giving Erdogan a quiet ultimatum to back off or face direct hostilities with the Russian army. Meanwhile, the Russian leader comes out of the mess created by the Turkish operation having attained the overriding goal of his intervention in the Syrian conflict: to bring all parts of the country under the central rule of the Assad regime.

DJ-From the same article;
Feeling abandoned by the US pullback, the Kurds quickly agreed to relinquish their struggle for an independent state and settle for autonomous status for their northeastern provinces in return for the Syrian army taking over the defense of their endangered towns.

The deal, which took effect within 24 hours, still has rough edges to be smoothed out, such as:

The exact nature of Kurdish autonomous rule and relations with central government in Damascus.
The borders of Kurdish-ruled lands.
The fate of the SDF.
How far will Russian President Vladimir Putin be willing to push back against Turkish President Recep Erdogan for halting his army’s advance into northern Syria.
(DJ-Since the Kurds were a small minority prior to the uprising in Syria, most Kurds in Syria come from Turkey.)

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/14/608622/US-Donald-Trump-Turkey-Syria-war; The United States is using “the Turks as de facto mercenaries” in Syria in order to continue Washington's destabilization effort in the war-torn country, an analyst says.
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US blocking SAA moving towards Kobani https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-blocks-syrian-armys-entry-into-border-city-video/

https://syria.liveuamap.com/ Pro-Assad forces at some places fighting Turkish backed terrorists.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-regains-its-northeastern-parts.html

DJ-The picture I am getting is that Turkey did reach already 30/50% of its initial goals (M4 motorway). Syria has problems in logistics-to start defense you need heavy weapons and air defense and the right troops.

Syria moving in will stop Turkey from taking over all of the SDF/Kurdish held area's. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-coalition-bombs-syrian-army-convoy-in-southern-raqqa-sohr/ DJ-The US bombing SAA forces seem to be false.

Still the US, UK, France is not ready in pulling back its troops.
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DJ-Two good articles from Debka;

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/syrian-forces-confront-turkish-troops-at-kobani-and-manbij/
https://www.debka.com/russian-warning-halts-turkish-syria-operation-us-pullback-from-e-syria-too-opens-door-to-iran/

Basicly-Russia did allow Turkey "some movements against the Kurds" (for strategic reasons-to get the US, UK, French troops out and the SDF to work with Assad). Russia does not want (Pro)Turkish forces fighting the Syrian Arab Army. The SAA without Russian air cover is not able to stop the (Pro)Turkish forces (DJ-Some of those "rebels/terrorists" are hardly under Turkish control. The Proxies do the frontline "dirty work" backed by Turkish aircover, artillery and some special services (bridge laying etc))

There is a risk of a Russian-Turkish confrontation, Russian forces/PMC's are moving with the SAA.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-begins-visit-to-riyadh-just-one-month-after-irans-attack-on-saudi-oil/

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-forces-announce-advance-on-manbij-clash-with-syrian-army/

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13616

-US putting sanctions on Turkey
-China telling Turkey to stop the invasion into Syria
-https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-holding-50-us-tactical-nukes-hostage-trump-authorizes-sanctions
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-deploys-soldiers-between-syrian-and-turkish-armies
DJ-HT claims Russians moving in between Syrian and Turkish military. (DJ-Problem is Turkey is using proxy-fighters that they not control-(ex)IS, alquida terrorists that hate Russians. These "groups" may start confrontation with Russian forces-and learn the results....)
HT also claims a de facto Russian Electronic Warfare no-fly zone over SE Turkey north Syria-still https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/15-october-turkish-warplanes-have-targeted-saa-convoy-moving one may doubt if there is an effective Russian no-fly zone.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910151077050776-live-updates-turkey-continues-op-in-syria-clashing-with-kurdish-led-militia/,

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&start=50;
Breaking: first Russian airstrike targetted Turkey back Jihadists in Manbej.

Lots of unconfirmed info-some may be correct.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-officials-turkey-deliberately-releasing-isis-prisoners-then-blaming-kurdish-forces
(DJ-Many indications for good relations between IS and Turkey.)
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DJ-Some good articles;

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-kurds-face-stark-options-after-us-pullback;
From Washington’s perspective, everything happening in the volatile Iran-Iraq-Syria-Turkey spectrum is subject to two imperatives:

1) geopolitically, breaking what is regionally regarded as the axis of resistance: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah; and

2) geostrategically, breaking the Chinese-led Belt and Road Initiative from being incorporated in both Iraq and Syria, not to mention Turkey.

When Erdogan remarked that the trilateral Ankara summit last month was “productive,” he was essentially saying that the Kurdish question was settled by an agreement among Russia, Turkey and Iran.
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What’s happening is a quadruple win.

The US performs a face saving withdrawal, which Trump can sell as avoiding a conflict with NATO alley Turkey.

Turkey has the guarantee – by the Russians – that the Syrian Army will be in control of the Turkish-Syrian border.

Russia prevents a war escalation and keeps the Russia-Iran-Turkey peace process alive.

And Syria will eventually regain control of its oilfields and the entire northeast.
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On the Iraq unrest;
But most of all, Abbas stressed: “Many people I talked to in Karbala think this is the American response to the Iraqi tilt towards China.”

That totally fits with this comprehensive analysis.

Iraq did not follow the – illegal – Trump administration sanctions on Iran. In fact it continues to buy electricity from Iran. Baghdad finally opened the crucial Iraq-Syria border post of al-Qaem. Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi wants to buy S-400 missile systems from Russia.

He also explicitly declared Israel responsible for the bombing of five warehouses belonging to the Hashd al-Shaabi, the people mobilization units. And he not only rejected the Trump administration’s “deal of the century” between Israel and Palestine but also has been trying to mediate between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

https://southfront.org/putins-visits-to-uae-and-saudi-arabia-and-shift-of-balance-of-power-in-middle-east/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-intercepts-turkish-f-16-in-northern-syria-media/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-aircraft-threaten-turkish-backed-fighters-who-came-very-close-to-american-troops-in-syria/
(DJ-For the moment US and Russia united against Turkey https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/15-october-senior-us-defense-official-says-turkeys-incursion goes further than agreed with US.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/russian-su-35-jets-reportedly-thwart-turkish-air-strike-in-manbij/
DJ-Both Russia (and Iran, China) and the US try to get a grip on Turkey.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/article/what-is-more-important-to-putin-saudi-or-iran/ DJ Some people in the US simply do not understand Putin wants/needs both. Russia and China are working together-first to get a grip on EurAsia then to become the "new boss" replacing a bankrupt US. (Some US journalists are blind/live in a tunnelvision. US (and EU) politicians seem to live there as well-out of touch with a high speed changing reality that puts the US on the sidelines.)
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DJ-Without World War 1 the Spanish Flu would not have been able to kill between 2 to 5% of the world population between 1917 and 1923.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-07-26/measles-flu-more-turkish-parents-are-saying-no-vaccines;
Last year, measles cases increased eight-fold in Turkey with 716 reported cases in 2018, according to the World Health Organization. As of July 10, the number of confirmed cases for 2019 spiked to 1,468, according to monthly data reported by the Turkish government.

According to https://www.unhcr.org/tr/en/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-turkey;Turkey continues to host the largest number of refugees worldwide, as the number of people forcibly displaced across the world due to conflict, violence and persecution hit record levels. Turkey currently hosts over 3.6 million registered Syrian refugees along with over 365,000 persons of concern from other nationalities.

DJ-Deportation of (over) 2 million refugees to a small stretch south of the Turkish border in war-torn NE Syria will not improve a present health crisis. Coming flu-season can become problematic.

https://southfront.org/turkish-forces-push-towards-m4-highway-in-area-between-tell-abyad-and-ras-al-ayn-map-update/

https://southfront.org/sdf-damascus-deal-first-details-revealed/
(DJ-Those details are on wich positions the SAA will take over from the SDF. In other news-unconfirmed-there is mention of Kurdish people going into Syrian government posts.)

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910161077058383-live-updates-turkeys-offensive-in-northern-syria-enters-its-second-week/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/16-october-russians-crossing-into-eastern-euphrates-from (DJ-The US did give up positions on the Manbij-Kobani road so the SAA may move to Kobani.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/16-october-adviser-to-assad-turkish-aggression-on-the-sovereignty DJ-When both Syria and Iraq consider Turkish moves as stealing part of their country we may expect further escalation/increase of Russian pressure to get Turkey under control.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/stunning-turkey-defense-minister-declares-their-intent-a-turkish-united-states and http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/photo-turkish-president-erdogan-visits-baku-for-liberation-anniversary-136893
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism
DJ-Some Turks believe in restoration of some form of a Turkish (Ottoman) Empire. In my opinion Turkey has not the strenght to do much-they are involved in Qatar, Libya-are fighting in Syria, Iraq. Turkey is in conflict with Greece and Cypres on a gas field in the mediterranean.
Turkey needs investors from China, Russian tourism, Iran oil/gas-they can not move into conflict with all of its neighbours.

https://www.debka.com/despite-erdogans-bravado-his-syrian-offensive-is-squeezed-in-a-us-russian-hug/
DJ-Russia and the US do not want Turkey-as a NATO member being pulled into a war with Syria. (If the US wants war with Iran Turkey may be usefull-but such a war would be very difficult to control and destroy western economies.)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-win-win-win-win-plan-for-syrias-northeast-succeeds.html
Syria getting control over all of Syria, return of refugees from Turkey, Iran, Russia, China getting more links to the EU-but is that okay for the US ?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-debacle-actually-well-planned-chaos
DJ-Since 2001 the US strategy seems to be to create chaos in the Middle East. IS is a US creation to stop Russia, Iran, China. That goal is still there. I (DJ) doubt if the US is still in a position to keep creating more chaos. Even Saudi Arabia, UAE, and even Israel seems to be moving away from the US.

https://southfront.org/us-considering-ways-to-remove-b61-nuclear-bombs-from-incirlik-air-base-turkey-us-media/
DJ-The US may have to go for damage control. That means pulling back US military from Iraq, Afganistan and Al Tanf-south Syria-may even have to accept being forced out of Turkey.

The US started creating chaos in Afghanistan in the 70's "to give the Soviet Union their own Viet Nam". The Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. NATO/US is in Afghanistan since 2001-as a result of the chaos they created in the seventies-and they are losing that war.

After using Saddam Hussein against Iran after the 79 Iran islamic revolution the US dumped Saddam Hussein and murdered him after the invasion of 2003. In Libya the same recepy-killing Gadaffi and replacing it by (planned) chaos (and western grab of oil/gas).

That strategy helped the investors in the Military Industrial Complex but destroyed the US (no investments in infra structure, education, healthcare).

The Middle East problem is made in the U.S.A. and they have had more than enough of it. Russia, Iran, China have had enough of "sanctions and insults" from he US. The end result is that "the best deal with the US is no deal at all".

With the EU being sanctioned by the US, trying to force the EU to buy US-LNG, US weapons "or else"-and a US made refugee crisis also the EU is moving away from the US (brexit=UK staying a US ally).

(Again) The outcome so far is the US losing ground in Asia-China becoming the new "super power".

We are not out of the conflict zone yet but the US ability to stop China is decreasing fast.
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https://www.rt.com/news/471165-us-turkey-syria-ceasefire-kurds/
Turkey has agreed to temporarily halt its military operation against Syria’s Kurdish-led militias, allowing them to withdraw from the country’s border, US Vice President Mike Pence said during a visit to Ankara.
“Today the United States and Turkey have agreed to a ceasefire in Syria,” Pence said during a joint press conference with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

The ceasefire between the Turkish military backed by affiliated militants and the Kurdish-led fighters is set to last 120 hours, according to Pence. This time will be spent on the withdrawal of the Kurdish forces from the 20-mile strip along the Syrian border, where Turkey wants to set up a “safe zone.”

Brett McGurk: The US just ratified Turkey's plan to effectively extend its border 30km into Syria with no ability to meaningfully influence facts on the ground. Turkey says it's the entire border from the Euphrates to Iraq (450x30km) to be controlled by its military forces. Non-implementable
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-brett-mcgurk-the-us-just-ratified-turkeys-plan
DJ-When Syria is moving to the Turkish border the US think they can give a 20 miles deep-300 miles wide stretch to Turkey and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-army-cutting-off-heads-of-kurds

DJ-"Are you mad "???? (This is an act of US insanity-unacceptable for the Kurds, Russia, Syria, Iran but the US and Turkey are "friends again").

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrias-kurds-and-turkey-accuse-each-other-using-chemical-weapons

DJ-A few days ago "moderate western backed terrorists" moved from Idlib NW Syria-via Turkey-to NE Syria to fight the Kurds. Some of those "rebels" did use chemical weapons in East Goutha-Damascus-for wich the west blamed Assad. There have been no reports of Kurds using chemical weapons. (But since the US is dumping the "more dangerous than IS kurds" western media propaganda may go wild again-"bad Putin, bad Assad " blah-blah).
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DJ-First reactions from the Kurds on the https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/10/17/intel-drop-erdogan-and-pence-agree-to-fake-cease-fire-with-nobody-who-do-they-think-theyre-foolin/ seems to be welcoming an end-for 120 hrs-of fighting (pro-Turkish proxies, IS, AQ etc) but nobody is thinking of giving up any cm of land to the Turks.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-us-senator-martin-heinrich-under-this-socalled;
U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich: Under this so-called ceasefire, Kurdish forces and their families face the impossible choice of fleeing their homes or being ethnically cleansed. Because of Turkey's actions we should seriously reconsider its role in NATO and any future military weapons sales.

DJ-Erdogan and Pence agreed that Syria has to give up a stretch of fertile lands larger than Lebanon to Turkey-without talks to Kurds, Syria or anybody else.

https://www.debka.com/us-and-turkey-agree-on-syria-ceasefire-but-the-ball-is-still-in-the-moscow-damascus-court/ Erdogan and Putin will soon meet. Russia wants Syria to stay intact.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-forces-block-syrian-army-russian-military-from-entering-raqqa-video/ and https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-17-2019-syrian-army-entering-kobani-and-raqqa/
DJ-There could be some indications that the SDF is not as united as some think. SAA moving into the oilfields in East (Arab) Syria under Kurdish occupation (and a major source of income) will be a major test.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-military-unlikely-withdraw-syrias-key-oil-fields-report

DJ-I do not think the "cease fire" will work. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-syrian-observatory-turkish-forces-completely-encircle Syrian Observatory: Turkish forces completely encircle the city of Ras al-Ain DJ-The Kurds and Syria do want to end the siege of Ras al-Ain, get control of all of the M4 motorway-and get the Turks and "allies" out as soon as possible.

DJ-Another issue is the movements of (pro)Iran forces from Iraq into East Syria. There may be still some US forces in their way. The US may find it harder to provide air-cover in time. The Kurds are no longer "friends"of the US https://southfront.org/trump-calls-pkk-bigger-threat-than-isis-as-senate-attempts-to-block-troops-withdrawal-from-syria/

(DJ-During the cold war the Soviet Union was an ally of the (communist) PKK. NATO did fight the Kurds were they could. )
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DJ-A touch of realism https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/media-and-pundits-misread-the-everyone-wins-plan-for-syria.html;
The U.S. can not "allow Turkey to annex a portion of Syria". The U.S. does not own Syria. It is completely bollocks to think that it has the power to allow Turkey to annex parts of it.

Turkey will not "gain territory". There will be no Turkish "security corridor". The Kurdish civilians in Kobani, Ras al Ain and Qamishli areas will not go anywhere. The Turks will not touch those Kurdish majority areas because they are, or soon will be, under control of the Syrian government and its army.
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These moves have been planed all along. The Turkish invasion in northeast Syria was designed to give Trump a reason to withdraw U.S. troops. It was designed to push the Kurdish forces to finally submit to the Syrian government. Behind the scene Russia had already organized the replacement of the Kurdish forces with Syrian government troops. It has coordinated the Syrian army moves with the U.S. military. Turkey had agreed that Syrian government control would be sufficient to alleviate its concern about a Kurdish guerilla and a Kurdish proto-state at its border. Any further Turkish invasion of Syria is thereby unnecessary.

The plan has everyone winning. Turkey will be free of a Kurdish threat. Syria regains its territory. The U.S. can leave without further trouble. Russia and Iran gain standing. The Kurds get taken care of.

The 'ceasefire' and the retreat of the armed Kurdish groups from the border, which is claimed to have been negotiated yesterday between Pence and Erdogan, had already been decided on before the U.S. announced its withdrawal from Syria.
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I am confident for now that the blob will be held off by Trump and that the Win4 plan will succeed. Erdogan will soon travel to Russia to discuss the next steps towards peace in Syria. The talks will be about a common plan to liberated the Jihadi controlled governorate of Idleb. That step may require a summit between the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Erdogan which Russia and Iran will help to facilitate.

With the U.S. removed from the Syria file such steps towards peace will now be much easier.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-turkey-agree-to-fragile-ceasefire-in-northern-syria/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/18-october-shelling-in-ras-alain-continues-despite-a-declaredpause.

https://southfront.org/satellite-images-turkey-setting-up-military-posts-in-captured-part-of-northeastern-syria/
DJ-Turkey will have to give up all occupied parts of Syria but wants something in return for that.

Talks between Turkey, Russia and Iran, Syria will make two things clear;
-The Turkish price for leaving Syria
-The US has lost any respect in the Middle East
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DJ-https://theduran.com/putins-syria-master-class-signals-end-of-regime-change-wars-video/ The Duran describing the Syria-war with the "west" (US/EU) on the side of regime change-against Assad-even if that meant supporting IS/AQ etc. Western "media" only blaming Assad for war crimes while closing their eyes for even worse insanity by western backed "moderate rebels" with AQ links.

The Russian intervention prevented in 2015 Damascus being taken over by salafast/wahabist extremists. Russia intervened because they did not want a major terrorist base close to southern Russia.

The failed coup attempt against Erdogan-by the US-pushed Turkey towards Russia. (DJ-The faillure of the EU to create a working base for Turkish EU-membership also pushed Turkey away from "the west"-the US wanted the EU to do more.)

During the Obama administration the US had no realistic diplomacy, went after regime change in Syria, Libya. While the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan went on.

Trump may be able to act in a diplomatic way-the US politics has gone mad-with some "politicians" doing everything they can to destroy Trump-even if this would start a major conflict.

At the end it is Putin who (helped by the US chaos) is able to talk to all sides.

https://www.rt.com/news/471260-trump-secured-the-oil-syria/
DJ-Is Trump thinking of leaving some US forces "protecting oil fields" in East Syria ? How does Trump think this will work ? Those forces will soon be isolated by Syria,Iran/Iraq, Russia (SIR). They will not tolerate a new -again US made-IS in that area.

On october 22 Putin will meet Erdogan in Sochi. Most likely the outcome will be that Turkey hands over the border area under Turkish control to Russia and Syria (under some conditions).

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-18-2019-assad-troops-deploy-on-border-amid-120-hour-ceasefire/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/ Russia, Syria preparing for a major offensive against Idlib.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-syria-may-be-biggest-defeat-cia-vietnam

DJ-https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/french-special-forces-need-russias-help-to-withdraw-troops-in-northeast-syria/ When France and Germany join the (Russian-Iran-Turkey) Astana peaceproces and French military work with Russians in Syria it becomes clear how much the world did change due to "regime change wars" started by the US.

https://southfront.org/turkish-funded-syrian-national-army-and-myth-of-united-syrian-opposition/ DJ-Syrian "opposition" is most paid by foreign "partners"-this is not a "civil war".

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-the-top-kurdish-commander-in-syria-general-mazlum;Kobane told @NBCNews he is trying to pull his forces back from Ras al-Ayn, but Turkey is not allowing it. He alleges Turkey does not want Kurdish fighters to withdraw - a condition of the ceasefire - but to kill them
(DJ-The war in Turkey against the Kurds was with NATO help and also sometimes came close to genocide.)
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-turkish-army-lifted-the-border-wall-across-the DJ-Turkey preparing for another point for invasion east of the earlier points (and into Syrian Arab land-not Kurdish, but SDF controlled).

DJ-Oct22 Putin and Erdogan will meet. At the end Russia wants Turkey out of Syria-without a Syria-Turkey war. So far Turkey is not stopping its war against the Kurds. There is a risk of SAA-Turkish confrontation.

https://www.debka.com/popular-protests-target-lebanons-political-system-for-the-first-time-is-it-a-revolution/
DJ-Just like the Iraq-unrest the unrest in Lebanon is related to the war in Syria.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/china-makes-move-opecs-no2;
Following a political backlash over details of its plans to make Iran effectively a client state through various multi-layered oil and gas deals, China has switched its attention – for the time being at least – to Iran’s equally oil and gas-rich neighbor, Iraq. China has the advantage in Iraq that the northern part of the country – the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan – is already under the control of its increasingly close ally, Russia, with its corporate proxy Rosneft having secured control over Kurdistan’s oil and gas infrastructure in a deal in November 2017.

DJ-The main reason Russia-Iran-China can be succesfull in the Middle East is https://www.rt.com/news/471339-israel-obligation-to-bomb-pompeo/;Israel should not be constrained by international borders or laws if it feels under threat, and can always rely on US support, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said following his meeting with the Israeli PM and the chief of Mossad.

DJ-As long as the US treats Israel as a US bridgehead into oil-country relations with the Arab/M.E. world can not get balanced. Israel does not get room to "bomb were it likes" by Russia.
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https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-damascus-government-with-declaration-of-full-scale-war/,
https://www.debka.com/russian-forces-take-over-americas-n-syria-bases-e-syrian-airspace-and-concern-for-kurds/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-troops-escort-us-military-out-of-northern-aleppo-video/

DJ-Today Erdogan will meet Putin in Sochi-Russia. The "cease-fire" the US arranged with Turkey ends today-eventhough it did not stop the fighting.

Syria and Russia seem to be preparing for "military action" to stop Turkey in Syria. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/21-october-the-sdf-and-saa-are-continually-repulsing-attacks, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-pledges-to-take-necessary-actions-in-syria-after-putin-meeting/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-surrounds-turkish-military-near-border-town/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-receives-massive-tank-shipment-from-russia-ahead-of-new-offensive-satellite-photo/

DJ-Even if Turkey does not restart its offensive in NE Syria, Syria wants to regain control of all of Syria. A Syrian offensive in Idlib may be days/hours away.
Putin will try to convince Erdogan to pull Turkish forces out of Syria. My guess is Turkey will listen even when it may take some time. (The alternative would be Turkey getting isolated. Erdogan can not trust the US/EU, Iran is on the side of Syria. A Turkish war against Syria would be also a war against Iraq, Iran, Russia-Turkey will try to prevent that.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-armed-forces-will-not-withdraw-from-syrian-oil-fields-report/
DJ-The US want to control Syria from Iraq, Al Tanf in south Syria-but the Kurds may not want to work with the US, Iraq is not waiting for being a base for US military action in Syria. The US may restart IS to "fight against" but in that scenario both Syria and Iraq may ask Russia and Iran to deal with that (and in such a scenario-when everyone knows IS=US there will be no room left for the US in the region).

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/we-have-hours-left-turkish-ceasefire-edge-collapse-erdogan-gives-kurds-hours-flee-territory,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/betrayal-and-deception-syria-prime-example-us-foreign-policy
R-E-S-P-E-C-T is what is missing in US foreign policy. From sanctions on EU allies, South Korea to using and dumping of the Kurds-when the outcome of the US pull back from Syria is that the EU will face another refugee crisis due to US madness, Turkey starts a war with Syria-we may see the end of NATO.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13599&start=30,
https://www.rt.com/news/471472-pompeo-turkey-military-action-ready/ (DJ-There seems to be still a number of US military in NE Syria (backed by IS ? The Kurds are against them, even the French talk with the Russians about their special forces in the region. The US "allowed"Turkey a smaller operation than Turkey may be planning.)
https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-phones-netanyahu-with-birthday-greetings-they-discuss-changes-in-syria/ but also https://www.debka.com/gantz-in-line-to-form-a-government-after-netanyahu-returns-the-premiership-mandate-to-the-president/ Gantz may be PM of Israel.
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https://sputniknews.com/world/201910221077116176-key-highlights-from-putin-erdogan-talks-as-they-discuss-situation-in-syria/:

1-Joint Patrols in Syria
The two presidents have reached an agreement that the Turkish military operation in Syria will be limited to a distance of within 30 kilometres from the Turkish-Syrian border. Moscow will send military police, while Damascus will send border guards in order to ensure the removal of YPG forces and their weapons up to a "depth of 30 kilometres away from the border". The operation needs to be completed within a timeframe of 150 hours. After YPG forces are removed, Turkey and Russia will organise joint patrols to the east and west of Ankara’s military operation, covering a 10-kilometre wide zone, with the exception of Qamishli city.

2-Peace Spring Operation Ends
Following the end of the talks between the two presidents, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that the signed memorandum will ensure the end of the bloodshed in Syria, arguing that it is an important step towards a Syrian peace settlement.

At the same time, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu stated in the wake of the Sochi meeting that the US, which is currently withdrawing its troops from northern Syria according to its agreements with Turkey, has to fulfil all of its obligations in Syria within 1 hour and 31 minutes. Shoigu added that Erdogan and Putin didn't discuss how long the Turkish forces will stay in the zone comprising Operation Peace Spring in Syria.

3-Return of War Refugees
Erdogan and Putin also addressed the humanitarian aspect of the situation in Syria, with the Russian president saying that the sides have agreed that the return of Syrian refuges should be facilitated as this would lift the burden from the countries that received them in the first place. The memorandum of the two countries stressed that the return of refugees must be conducted in a safe and voluntary manner.

https://www.rt.com/news/471529-putin-erdogan-sochi-talks/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrias-fate-decided-sochi-putin-erdogan-meet-hours-syria-ceasefire-ends

DJ-There remain several obstacles;

Afrin, Idlib, East Syria oil fields and Al Tanf-the last two are US occupied.

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DJ-Why is the Erdogan-Putin agreement important ?

1-It is one step closer to ending the "civil" war in/for Syria.
2-It gives Assad room to start the Idlib offensive.
3-It underlines that Russia (the Astana group with Turkey and Iran) can decide in this region. (And the US can not).
4-With peace-in some form-in NE Syria the China new-silk-road can go further.

Why is the Syria war something for AFT-forum ? Major pandemics are related to major wars. Refugees, poor/no hygiene, crowds of people-sometimes with bio-warfare-increase the risk of pandemics.

Countries like Syria, Iraq, Libya did have some form of public healthcare under their dictators. Western intervention destroyed the healthcare and replaced the dictators by worse dictators.

For Syria;
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/four-american-policy-failure-syria

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-and-russian-military-police-to-deploy-on-border-putin-and-erdogan-reach-agreement-on-northeastern-syria/,
https://www.debka.com/putin-obliges-erdogan-to-call-off-turkeys-operation-against-the-kurds-in-ne-syria/

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-completes-deployment-along-aleppo-hasakah-highway-east-of-euphrates-photos/
DJ-Turkey will have to pull back its forces from NE Syria and than can patrol-with Russia-in the area held by the S.A.A. (Assad forces).

https://southfront.org/us-troops-remain-in-syria-to-protect-oil-fields-from-terrorists-war-report/
DJ-I do not see how the US can keep forces in that area when there is no connection with Jordan. Iraq and Turkey do not support thes (illegal presence) US forces. They will have to give up their positions at a certain moment.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armys-idlib-offensive-to-begin-at-any-moment/ DJ-With Russian help-sending Turkey a very clear message. Turkey will have to work within the Astana agreement and disarm radical groups in Idlib or face Russia/Syria doing so.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/22-october-iraq-all-us-forces-that-withdrew-from-syria-receivedapproval to enter the Kurdistan Region so that they may be transported outside Iraq. There is no permission granted for these forces to stay inside Iraq."

DJ-The Kurds agreed to the US plan for pull back from the Turkish border. They placed themselves under Assad protection. Basicly they made a mess of their policies. On the longer term Kurds may find a way to unite in a cultural way over borders. It is the largest nation without their own state-and that is sad.
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Some sidelines by Syria;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/when-trump-ignored-bad-advice-he-enabled-progress-in-syria.html and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/trump-disrupts-millions-in-illegal-drug-trafficking-cash-kickbacks-from-syria

(DJ-https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva saw during the Viet Nam war the US protecting opium-trade, the French did that before the US moved in. In the sixties with MLK, student demonstrations drugs was a way to control crowd and break protest.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/23-october-russian-deputy-foreign-minister-the-russianturkishagreement followed an understanding reached in a secret communication between Russia, Damascus and the Kurds
(DJ-In 1998 there was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_relations Adana-agreement. Syria would stop supporting the Kurds in Syria. Disagreement on how Syria did do its job was one of the reasons for Turkey's support for regimechange. https://www.rt.com/news/471587-turkey-no-need-restart-offensive-kurds/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-syrian-govt-gets-back-all-its-oil-fields/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-us-end-its-occupation-of-al-tanf-in-southern-syria/

Russia and Turkey now control the Turkish border. Iraq tells the U.S. NATO forces from Syria have to leave Iraq in 4 weeks. Idlib-offensive is on its way-in combination with S.A.A. moving into Raqqa/oil fields.

The US has 200 military, 400 PMC's in the oil fields wich will be surrounded soon by Syrian troops. (With Russian observers and possibly pro-Iran forces, Russian air control ? )
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-playing-4-d-chess-game-middle-east-no-one-understands,
https://southfront.org/u-s-to-send-troops-battle-tanks-to-secure-syrian-oil-fields-report/

https://www.debka.com/trump-pivots-on-n-syria-some-us-troops-to-stay-one-air-base-retained/

DJ-The US want to keep troops in Syria-not far from the borders of Iraq and Jordan (Al Tanf). Iraq may not be happy with this-it will stimulate further protest against US (illegal since the 2003 war was against international law) presence.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-scores-advance-in-ne-latakia-amid-new-push-towards-jisr-al-shughour/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-tanks-head-to-battlefield-to-confront-militants-at-turkish-border/

DJ-Since there are Turkish backed fighters in Idlib the confrontation between Turkey and the Syrian Arab Army (within the SAA SDF will become part of the SAA) is far from over. Russia and Iran will need to put more pressure on Turkey to stop its "support for terrorists".
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DJ-Still the SDF/Kurds do not get realistic: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-the-kurds-want-to-play-on-both-sides.html;
SDF in last 24 hour:
Want SAA to defend border
No withdrawing of their mercenaries
Refuse Russian offer
Ask Russia to pressure Syrian gov
Want "special section" in SAA
Want US illegal presence in Syria
Want international forces

SDF, Are you high?

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-25-2019-russia-deploys-more-personnel-equipment-in-syria/,
https://southfront.org/how-russian-turkish-safe-zone-deal-shapes-course-of-syrian-conflict/

DJ-Israel wants Iran out of Syria and is using the Kurds to get that done.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-lands-f-22-stealth-and-b1-b-strategic-bombers-in-saudi-arabia
DJ-The US wants to satisfy Israel by keeping US forces in South and East Syria (with Kurdish forces in the Arab oil region. Putting US forces in Saudi Arabia the US would have to move over/via Iraq or Jordan to get to Syria.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-attacks-isis-gathering-in-eastern-syria-several-terrorists-killed/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/united-states-turkey-sdf-internal-war-between-syrias-enemies;
The SDF masters in Washington understand well that without a force on the land controlled by them, they could not prevent Assad from reuniting the country and taking over the a commercial, economic and energy connection project between Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran, with the Beijing Economic blessing that intends to invest / grant lines of credit of more than 600 billion dollars between Iran, Syria and Iraq.

The only legitimate authority in Syria that is able to guarantee the safety of civilians from the depredations of Daesh, the FSA, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda and all the other 256 iterations of jihadists (none of whom is “moderate”) is the Syrian Arab Army and its central government in Damascus.

Turkey, the SDF and the United States are three irregular, illegal and illegitimate occupants of Syrian soil who are fighting in the midst of thousands of civilians and are causing death and destruction that could easily be avoided.

The international political and media reaction to events happening in Syria confirms in my mind that there is an internal wrangle between the United States, Turkey and the SDF stemming from their defeat at the hands of the Syrian Arab Army and allies; a win for civilization.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/can-us-beat-china-trade-war DJ-Basics-the war in Syria is meant to stop China.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-b-52-simulates-bombing-run-near-russias-kaliningrad-reports/
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/abu-dua-captured-by-us-sof-that-s-the-leader-of-isis-aka-al-baghdadi, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-special-forces-carried-out-trump-approved-raid-to-kill-baghdadi/, https://www.debka.com/isis-leader-baghdadi-reported-killed-in-us-operation-in-syria/
DJ-Just like Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan-long time US ally, Baghdadi was in Turkish/western backed rebels controled area near the Turkish border in Idlib NW Syria.

Both AQ and IS are believed to be creations of the CIA.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-could-attack-israel-from-nearly-all-sides-israeli-general/, https://southfront.org/can-iran-to-fend-off-us-israeli-missile-or-drone-attack/

DJ-Besides from stealing Syrian oil https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-stealing-30-million-per-month-in-syrian-oil-tax-free-cash-to-swiss-bank-accounts the US wants to control eastern Syria to stop Iran (and China) from getting a connection to the mediterranean.

Unrest in https://www.debka.com/mivzak/eight-protesters-killed-in-iraq-by-live-shots-and-tear-gas-fired-by-police/ and https://www.debka.com/mivzak/nasrallah-warns-lebanons-nationwide-protest-could-lead-to-civil-war/ is also serving this US-Saudi-Israeli goal.

The build-up of US forces (for war against Iran) goes on https://www.debka.com/mivzak/us-deploys-stealth-f-22-raptors-at-saudi-prince-sultan-air-base/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-confirms-troops-returned-to-syria-from-iraq/, https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/heres-why-trumps-secure-syrias-oil-plan-will-be-impossible-implement
DJ-There is no legal bases for US forces occupy oil fields in an other country.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/27-october-the-site-targeted-by-the-us-military-operation
DJ-Again, how come IS-leader Baghdadi was in western backed "moderate rebels" area near the Turkish border ?

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-october-reports-of-clashes-between-proassad-forces-andTurkish-backed forces in Ras al-Ain countryside

DJ-The Turkish backed "rebels" may be hard to control for Turkey. Also some Kurds will not stop fighting against Turkey and its proxies. Both Syria and Russia will try to control the fighting.

DJ-One could argue that "there is a battle for Asia" between the US and China. In that battle the US may be losing India https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-us-officially-suspend-defense-cooperation (India can do bussiness with Russia while the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor will connect China, via Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey with the EU.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-wants-deal-exxon-or-other-company-take-syrian-oil, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-will-strike-anyone-challenging-their-occupation-of-syrian-oil-fields-secdef/

DJ-Both the oil fields as Al-Tanf can get problematic. It is Syrian territory, the US has not any legal reason to be there. https://southfront.org/syria-russia-open-bridge-linking-eastern-and-western-banks-of-euphrates-in-deir-ezzor/ When talks with the US do not help maybe Russia will go to UN, EU ? (Direct open confrontation with US forces not very likely, but Electronic Warfare, proxy forces as options ?)

https://southfront.org/booming-turkish-russian-trade-abandoning-us-dollar/ DJ-The war in Syria is in fact a war for EurAsia. https://southfront.org/russia-africa-shared-vision-2030-alternative-to-neo-colonial-pillage/ The Turkish ceasefire in NE Syria will end today-Syrian and Russian forces did not yet take over all of the Syria-Turkey border-mainly due to the presence of Turkish backed "rebels". Turkey can not allow to start major military operations in that area when it wants to have good relations with Russia and Iran (the west is not an alternative for Erdogan.)

DJ-Russia has questions on the dead of Baghdadi https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201910291077170050-daesh-leaders-odd-location-in-al-qaeda-controlled-idlib-raises-questions-on-trumps-narrative/

https://www.debka.com/us-mid-east-forces-relocate-out-of-iranian-cruise-missile-range-the-idf-begins-overhaul/ DJ-US is moving its military out of Qatar because it is to "close to Iran" (ignoring US taking Saudi side in conflict with Qatar. Qatar may depend more on Turkish, Iran forces-invite Russia, China ?)

DJ-On (US) politics (a lot of other countries not doing much better)
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-has-officially-gone-insane US not only putting US forces in west Iraq-also IS fighters are being transported by the US-so "the anti-IS coalition has a reason to fight terror in the Syria oil fields".

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From https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-moa-week-in-review-open-thread-2019-62.html#more some good comments;

Last week, Thierry Meyssan posted an excellent paper (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208007.html), in which he states that the recent events in Syria, in which ‘a quarter of the country was freed in a week’ is not only a victory for Assad, but the defeat of the ‘military strategy to establish the supremacy of financial capitalism’. These events mark the overturning of the world order that has been in place since the end of WWII.

What I find remarkable is how quickly the old order has been overturned. The old order was initially a bi-polar world, which evolved, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, into a Uni-Polar World Order under the control of 'financial capitalism' (i.e. the ‘Globalists’, also referred to as ‘international financial elites’, ‘Anglo-Zionists’, the ‘Davos Crowd’, etc.). Arguably the Uni-Pole's power peaked in the early 2000s after the creation of the EU and the eastern expansion of NATO. The first cracks in the Uni-Pole's hegemonic power appeared in 2003 with the fiasco in Iraq, and in 2008 with the Global Financial Crisis. But even as late as 2015, when Obama dismissed Russia’s entry into Syria as nothing but Russia stepping into a quagmire, the 'Globalists' could foresee no opposing force that would prevent them from consolidating their Uni-Polar World Order into an enduring world-wide system of ‘Global Governance’ through a ‘Rules-based International Order’ under the 'Globalists' control and enforced by the U.S. and NATO. But now, as Meyssan suggests, only four years later, the Uni-Polar World Order has been toppled.

In its place a ‘Multi-Polar World’ order is emerging. I would like to suggest that the outlines of this emerging order are as follows:
1. The dominant pole of this Multi-polar World is that led by the alliance of Russia and China. Spanning Eurasia from the Pacific to the Mediterranean, this pole includes the countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the Eurasian Economic Union, and includes Iran, Iraq, Syria, and possibly, in the future, Turkey.

2. The second pole will be the remnants of the 'Globalist' empire, stripped, however, of Europe (ex. U.K.) and any Asian representation, i.e. the U.S., U.K., Israel and likely Canada.

3. A third group consists of countries that are currently either occupied militarily by the U.S. or are part of NATO, but are either economically dependent on China or are in economic competition with the U.S. This includes most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the GCC countries (KSA, UAE, etc.). These countries cannot be considered as poles by themselves, for while some of them may have the economic weight to be considered a pole, such as Germany and Japan, they lack the geo-political weight. These countries are likely to try to escape from their status as American ('Globalist') vassals and become independent nations dealing equitably with all the poles of the new Multi-Polar World. In my view, it is unlikely that the EU will survive the birth of this new-world order in its current form. At best it is likely to revert back to a European free trade area, in which each country will recapture its sovereignty and its own currency.

4. A fourth group consists of countries that, while not being a part of the Russia/China pole will be under its wing, with Russia providing military, political and geo-political support, and China providing economic support. This group includes countries which are currently either under threat from the 'Globalists' (ie. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc.), are in turmoil due to exploitation by the 'Globalists' (ie. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.) or are outright failed states (most of Africa). Under the protection of Russia and China, they will once again have a chance to overcome the anarchy of the past 20 or so years and to return to peaceful development.

5. A fifth group consists of what will likely end up as secondary poles of the Multi-Polar World. These are countries that today are both independent and have the geo-political and economic weight to continue to function independently. This group includes the likes of India and the ASEAN countries.

Uncertain is the time that it will take for this emerging order to stabilize. In my view, this depends to a great extent on whether Trump survives impeachment and wins in 2020. If he does then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order could be quite quick and painless, as it is aligned with the policies that Trump has been espousing from the beginning of his presidential campaign in 2015. To 'Make America Great Again' requires that the U.S. recover its sovereignty and redevelop its industrial power. After all, a countries wealth, and thus its power, is what it produces, and a country that doesn't produce as much as it consumes will, in the end, consume itself. To redevelop its industrial power the U.S. needs to isolate itself, as Trump is attempting to do behind a wall of tariff barriers and a devalued currency. The Multi-Polar World Order will allow the U.S. the opportunity it needs isolate, and then rebuild, itself. One must remember that it was the isolation of the U.S. in the 19th and early 20th centuries that enabled the U.S. to become so powerful in the first place.

If, on the other hand, Trump is either overthrown by the 'Globalists' or defeated in 2020 then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order will be fraught with conflict. The 'Globalists' will fight it every step of the way, using all tools at their disposal, and particularly the military muscle of the U.S. and NATO. For the 'Globalists' the Multi-Polar World Order means the dispossession of their power and wealth. However, I believe that will simply be a case of the losers continuing to fight long after the war has been lost. It is only a question of how much time that it will take, and death and destruction that will occur, before the U.S. and NATO are exhausted.

The emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order, once it stabilizes, is likely to usher in a new era of peace and human development, similar to that which the world experienced in the decades following WWII.

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-israel-closing-all-of-its-embassies-worldwide-immediately;
Is this part and parcel of the ALLEGED nuclear "false flag" said to be in the works against Seattle, WA and Los Angeles, CA for this Sunday, November 3?   Unknown.

Does this have something to do with Diplomatic Cables uncovered in the lair of ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi?   Diplomatic cables between Baghdadi and the US State Department were seized by US Special Operations Forces during the raid that killed Baghdadi over the weekend. If Cables were found to the US State Department, were any others found to and from Israel?????

One off-the-wall claim are those rumors that Israel had a nuke stored in strategic embassy basements around the world as a blackmail option. Will those nukes be detonated? Unknown.

This is very unusual and very disturbing. Clearly something very big is up. Endeavoring to find out what it is.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3;
Prior to the attacks of 9-11, German Intelligence notified then-President George W. Bush of a terrorist plot to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.   The President did nothing. The attacks of 9-11 occurred.

Now, the Germans are alerting us again . . . to a nuclear "false flag attack" upon Seattle, WA, this Sunday, November 3 . . .

Is this Intel . . . . or insanity?   

DJ-Pearl Harbour 1941 was no surprise attack for the US. Maybe the military underestimated the attack-but they were informed from several sides the attack was coming. Letting the attack happen did open the door for the US to get involved openly in W.W.2.

Just like 9-11-2001, MH17, chemical weapons in Syria were false flags-with 9-11 opening the door to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq-a new major false flag could open the door to start a war with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia...

DJ-I do not think there will be a major nuclear attack on the US in coming november, still I also did not expect MH17, 9-11 etc.

The goal of the Syria-war was to stop Russia-Iran-China. In 2011 T-U-L-S-I was the coalition to bring down Assad. Turkey, US, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel.

IS was stopped in Syria by Russia, in Iraq by Iran. Also a failed (US backed) coup-attempt in Turkey did bring Turkey on the side of Russia, Iran.

https://www.rt.com/news/472161-lavrov-cavusoglu-zarif-geneva/, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/retired-general-trumps-syria-oil-plan-turns-us-troops-pirates,
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/why-lebanon-and-iraq-are-at-the-brink-of-further-strife.html;
#Lebanon and #Iraq protestors hitting the "Axis of the Resistance" stability in these two countries and pushing Prime Ministers in both countries to resign and lead the country towards instability.

#US and #SaudiArabia has lost #Syria but are still fighting in other theatres.

DJ-Some major groups in the US want a "uni-polar world" in wich the US "is the boss" and above any law. Those groups will stop for nothing to get what they want-even when it brings W.W.3.

In Israel Netanyahu is unable to become PM again-with that faces prison for corruption.

Saudi Arabia is "mixed up" in a royal powerstruggle.

These facts can become a basis for very dangerous scenario's. The struggle for Syria basicly turned into a struggle for global domination. Russia and China combined are beating the US.

A very unlikely scenaria-Hal Turner did publish more of them in the past-(I do believe he was correct in Turkey and Saudi Arabia preparing for an invasion of Syria around 2015) still may be realistic-how awfull that scenario is.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-china-relations-years-ahead-trade-war-sideshow;
In his speech, Pence harshly attacked virtually every aspect of Chinese society and referred to it an “authoritarian regime” on multiple occasions. This isn’t the sort of language U.S. officials tend to use when a breakthrough deal with a foreign nation is imminent, it’s the sort of language U.S. officials use when the country is at war, about to be at war, or is working on a regime change operation.
and;
If Trump wins in 2020, I expect he’ll become more aggressive with China than almost anyone can imagine. Without having to think about reelection, Trump will focus on his legacy and he’ll see reorienting the U.S.-Chinese relationship as the most historically significant achievement he can accomplish. At that point, China will have have no choice but to face the reality of another four years of Trump, and it’ll likewise stop pretending things are going well, which will cause the situation to deteriorate fast.

The path is a bit less clear should Trump lose reelection, though a major U.S.-China conflict remains in the cards early next decade regardless for a couple of reasons. First, the global economy is in fact on the verge of systemic failure due to it being structurally little more than a massive fraud scheme of debt, corruption and rent-seeking. When this failure truly manifests globally, both Chinese and U.S. leadership will desire a conflict in order to distract from internal problems. Chinese elites won’t want the Chinese people to blame them, and U.S. elites won’t want to be blamed either. As such, an external enemy works for politicians and oligarchs in both countries. It’s the same as it ever was. Trump’s just escalating and bringing forward a collision that’s increasingly likely to unfold irrespective of who resides in the oval office.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/multiple-dead-syrian-army-turkey-now-heavy-clashes-border, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/30-october-saa-troops-withdrew-from-military-checkpoints,https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-backed-militants-abuse-captured-syrian-soldiers/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-says-turkey-has-right-to-resume-northern-syria-operation/

DJ-"Turkish backed rebels" may be a problem for Erdogan when they are in Turkey-also very hard to control. Does Erdogan want Syria, Russia (and the Kurds") to "solve that problem" (by killing most of those "rebels")?
https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-militants-executed-syrian-soldier-captured-near-ras-al-ayn/, https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-29-2019-army-reinforces-positions-on-turkish-border/
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-foreign-minister-warns-fourth-step-coming, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/all-israeli-air-defenses-on-alert-amid-fears-of-possible-iranian-attack-report/,https://www.debka.com/soleimani-takes-helm-of-iraqi-security-from-prime-minister-abdul-mahdi/;
Soleimani who swept into the meeting with a party of aides took the chair from Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi. He then told the commanders gathered there, We in Iran know how to deal with protests. This happened in Iran and we got it under control.

It was obvious to the Iraqi officials present that the Iranian general was taking charge, DEBKAfiles sources report. This was effectively an Iranian coup for the takeover of Iraqs political and security leadership. This extreme step was intended to hold back the free fall of Tehrans influence in Baghdad as well as Beirut under the mounting weight of popular disaffection in Iraq and Lebanon.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/khamenei-accuses-us-arab-states-in-lebanon-iraq-unrest/

(DJ-As a reminder https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3-not very likely but several parties want/need a major incident/war.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-debuts-most-advanced-ballistic-missile/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-showcases-new-missiles/

DJ-For China both Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon are parts of the New Silk Road. Destabilization (in their eyes by the US) is an anti-China move.

DJ-From https://southfront.org/u-s-prepares-to-deploy-bradly-infantry-fighting-vehicles-in-syrias-deir-ezzor-photos/ to https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/will-opec-declare-war-us-shale, https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/markets-spooked-report-china-doubts-trade-deal-ever-possible the international situation is getting worse.

DJ-The struggle for #1 depends on how you look at numbers;
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-86-trillion-world-economy-in-one-chart/ ;
#1     🇺🇸 United States     $20.49 trillion     23.89%
#2     🇨🇳 China     $13.61 trillion     15.86%
or
#1     🇨🇳 China     $25.4 trillion     18.6%     +1
#2     🇺🇸 United States     $20.5 trillion     15.0%     -1
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-composition-of-the-world-economy-by-gdp-ppp/?fbclid=IwAR0O7vfYcOtZD2BUjv_fIRsY1v644UmObce-jxHtEUTmpVP3J73OyUVVxL8 (DJ-Looking at what you can do with that money)
Eur-Asian integration is pushing the US to the sidelines.
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DJ-Hal Turner seems to stick to his story of a Nov-3 Seatle false flag attack ? https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/western-u-s-showing-radiation-spikes-before-nov-3-rumored-false-flag-nuke-attack (and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/acts-2-19-wonders-in-the-heavens ?)

DJ-Based on this (German-English) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VeqRUQkB8I video ?

DJ-If this is the basis for the nov-3 story it is "not very strong". Still looking at other events one may wonder if the US is preparing for a strike against Iran (blaming Iran for the Yemen attacks on Aramco, KSA).

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/2-november-turkishbacked-factions-have-destroyed-proassadforces vehicles at Tal Tamr front with ATGM, https://southfront.org/syrian-oil-and-us-troop-withdrawal-explained/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/3-november-deir-ezzor-a-number-of-iranian-militia-memberswere killed in Al-Bukamal desert after ISIS attack on its checkpoints


DJ-If the US is moving its forces from Qatar to Saudi Arabia because Qatar is "to close to Iran", moving some US forces from Iraq back into Syria fits the same pattern. Spreading and distancing forces from Iran would make sense when the US would plan to attack Iran. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-syria-sign-deal-on-electricity-cooperation/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-b-52-bomber-unexpectedly-approached-russian-airbase-in-syria-media/DJ-the B52(s ?) were/was on its way to Jordan from the UK.

https://www.debka.com/netanyahu-israel-ponders-pre-emptive-operation-to-prevent-iranian-cruise-missile-strike/ DJ-Story from oct 10-so there has been time to prepare for a (major) strike against Iran. [url}https://www.debka.com/the-idf-mulls-pre-emptive-strike-to-ward-off-planned-iranian-attacks-on-the-uae-and-israel/[/url] DJ-The idea of a "preventive war against Iran" goes back further. Netanyahu may not become the next Israeli PM-Iran is his obsession. (DJ_A false flag against the US blamed on Iran may push the US towards war with Iran.)https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/02/610185/Israel-Iran-Yemen-Syria-tensions-Ansarullah-missile-Avigdor-Lieberman

https://sputniknews.com/business/201911031077211873-saudi-arabia-aramco-inital-public-offering/ DJ-It is expected China may try to buy Aramco. (And the US does not like that.)
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DJ-No major (false flag) event so far. Still https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/something-has-apparently-happened-emergency-action-message-of-242-characters; from the comments;
-The definition..
an Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a preformatted message that directsnuclear-capable forces to execute specific Major Attack Options (MOAs) or Limited Attack Options (LOAs) in a nuclear war
-https://twitter.com/Spy_Stations/status/1191133308261941248
-I used to listen to plenty of numbers stations, especially the British "Lincolnshire Poacher", the Israeli E10 alphanumeric broadcasts and the Cuban "Atencion!" station. They would always broadcast on a very fixed schedule and always the same number of code numbers or letters. If there was no message to convey to the intended recipients, the codes sent would (apparently) simply decode to "NO MESSAGE" and be followed by random gobbeldygook to fill the rest of the message to the fixed number of characters. No, it is not possible to decode these messages, since they are created using one-time pads, but the mere presence of an unusually long, short or off-schedule broadcast in and of itself suggests that something is afoot (hence this article), so the military and intelligence agencies of the world make sure that at least something is broadcast periodically and uniformly in order not to tip anyone off.

https://www.debka.com/russia-deactivates-its-s-400-batteries-at-the-khmeimim-air-base-and-all-syria/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/03/610309/Iran-Fars-Saudi-Arabia-Yemen-Aramco;
The spokesman for Iran's Armed Forces says in case of any aggression against the Islamic Republic, Iranian forces will target the interests of the United States and its allies at any place and on any territory.

DJ-https://syria.liveuamap.com/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-mulling-lease-of-qamishli-airport-to-challenge-us-influence-in-eastern-syria-report/
The US seems to be sending US forces into Syria again.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-and-iranian-coasts-to-be-linked-with-new-railway-report/ DJ-As part of China's New Silk Road-wich is being frustrated by the US.

The unrest in Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan (and Hong Kong) is seen by China as US intervention and sabotage. In the case of Hong Kong investments can be moved to Shanghai. SW Asia may be more vital for China (and India-both buying Iran oil). An attack on Iran is an attack on Russia and China.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rebuilding-syria-without-syrias-oil
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DJ-Economic warfare; https://southfront.org/us-congress-to-support-three-seas-initiative-against-russian-energy-coercion-in-europe/
Eastern EU-countries united against western EU countries by the US to block EU buying Russian energy. (DJ-This will improve US-EU relations-not !)
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-navy-secretary-warns-fragile-supply-chain-and-great-power-competition China is investing in countries to use the debt to take over those countries-in US eyes. (The US has military bases all over the globe and is almost at war with the few countries they can not have bases.)

Iran

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-to-re-start-underground-uranium-enrichment, https://www.debka.com/iran-reactivates-fordow-uranium-enrichment-plant-nears-nuclear-weapon-capacity/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/05/610481/Zarif-Salehi-Trump-economic-terrorism-Fordow-uranium-enrichment

DJ-Iran claims it is working on a nuclear energy programm (with International IAEA supervision). Iran may not be able to produce enough oil/gas for own energy demand. For ethical reasons Iran is against nuclear weapons-it claims.
Israel claims Iran is working on nuclear weapons. (Israel already has-thanks to France-but does not want Iran to have them.)
Main reasons why Israel did not attack yet is Iran can and will strike back (and destroy Israel). Also Russia-having good relations with both Iran and Israel-may try to limit the damage.
DJ-Israel can not act on its own against Iran. Saudi/UAE help will not make much difference (at best-Yemen is an indication that having Saudi support may bring you in problems). A "false flag" could be usefull to get the US to support military action.
Russia and China will see such an attack on Iran as an attack on them.
Netanyahu-Israel PM will most likely not be the next PM (and face prison due to corruption). Gantz (incoming PM-most likely) may be willing to do more to avoid war with Iran.

The way a very tiny extremely rich elite lives may not leave room for others. https://www.zerohedge.com/health/11000-experts-make-modest-proposal-end-global-warming-just-kill-billions-people
Instead of creating a smaller ecological footprint, less use of airplanes, cars, meat etc. this criminal elite may seek to solve their problem by killing you and me. (One idea is starting a major nuclear war with the elite in nuclear protection bunkers-idea is insane-after a nuclear war Earth is inhabitable, will not produce food.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-preparing-to-build-2-large-bases-in-syrias-oil-rich-region-report/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/05/610486/Syrian-army-soldiers-enter-Rumailan-oil-field-in-Hasakah-after-years-Reports
DJ-The US is not very likely to start another major conflict over Syrian oil-fields. Iraq, Turkey will not assist the US in stealing oil-so air-support for the US may have to come from Jordan/KSA. (And extra protection from IS-the US than has an excuse-fight their own creation-again. IS is selling-again-the Syrian oil ro ISrael-according to some info).

DJ-Russia will try to avoid an open conflict with the US over the oilfields. The US is getting the point of keeping US troops in East Syria may mean those forces getting isolated. The Kurds do not like it when the oil-incomes goes to IS.2. Attacking the oilinstallations will take away the point of the US being there any further.

DJ-In my opinion we live in times more dangerous than even during the 1962 Cuba-crisis. Syria is just one of many conflict area's. The US feels weaker, Russia-China stronger than before.

From Huawei to Northstream the US is in a full scale economic war against both Russia and China, and seems incapable of diplomacy. With also India-Pakistan tensions, the fight between the EU and US over the UK (Brexit) international stability is under severe pressure.
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DJ-From https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-china-european-peninsula;
- The Bishkek Declaration, adopted by SCO members, emphasizes the security guarantees of the Central Asian Nuclear-Weapons-Free Zone Treaty, the ‘unacceptability of attempts to ensure one country’s security at the expense of other countries’ security,’ and condemns ‘the unilateral and unlimited buildup of missile defense systems by certain countries or groups of states.’ Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, speaking to Presidents Putin, Xi, Modi and Imran Khan, blasted the US as ‘a serious risk to stability in the region and the world” and offered preferential treatment for all fellow SCO nations, companies, and entrepreneurs to invest in Iran’s market. Xi responded that Beijing will keep developing ties with Tehran ‘no matter how the situation changes.’
-The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, China, Japan, India, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand). The world’s largest trade bloc, the RCEP accounts for half the world’s economy and, in contrast to the WTO, is biased in favor of developing nations and excludes investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanisms that advantage private corporations over states.
-Trans-Eurasia transit time has fallen from three weeks to two, and should be ten days by 2024. Ultimately, Russia aims to connect China’s northern provinces with Eurasia via the The Trans-Siberian and the Chinese Eastern Railway–with Chita in China and Khabarovsk in Russia, are already totally interconnected.
-Iran is a key BRI node and Tehran sees it as the way to full integration into the Eurasian economic ecosystem. Cargo transiting from all over India via the International North-South Transport Corridor, INSTC, to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas reduces shipping costs to Europe by forty percent. The INSTC will soon merge with BRI’s global transport network.

DJ-Eur-Asian integration-with many links to Africa is full speed.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/as-maximum-pressure-fails-to-move-iran-dirty-tricks-become-more-likely.html, https://www.debka.com/__trashed-9/;A large influx of US troops is entering northeastern Syria this month to counter new Russian plans. This step follows several summersaults on Syria by President Donald Trump since his March 20 decision to withdraw the US from that country.

DJ-This Europe-Asia-Africa integration can not be stopped by the unrest in Iraq, Lebanon. Even the US attacking Iran will not stop this proces. "Eur-As-Af"integration is the end of US dominance.

The integration-movement is backed at most companies level-no one wants to miss a part of the over 4 billion consumers Asia market. Access to fast transportation routes mean less transport costs, faster deals.
(China is already investing in distribution centers in Europe to increase trade.)

It is an illusion the US can stop this movement-they should join it ! (not fight it !)
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https://southfront.org/bolivian-parliament-elects-new-head-refuses-to-acknowledge-self-proclaimed-president-jeanine-anez/ (DJ-War is for lithium, but also oil and gas. US is supporting a fascist minority dictatorship. The EU is divided-as always, Russia is looking at developments.)

DJ-In the US war against Iran https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/author-of-the-keep-the-oil-mission-already-distances-himself-from-its-foreseeable-failure.html,
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/revolt-in-iran-crowds-shout-we-don-t-want-islamic-republic

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vladimir-putin-sums-new-world-order-5-words;
Vladimir Putin: "The Dollar Enjoyed Great Trust Around The World. But For Some Reason It Is Being Used As A Political Weapon, Imposing Restrictions. Many Countries Are Now Turning Away From The Dollar As A Reserve Currency. US Dollar Will Collapse Soon."

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/henry-kissinger-warns-of-catastrophic-conflicts-between-china-and-us

DJ-The basic conflict is between the US and China. South America is just another new frontline. Iran is essential for China's new silk road.

https://southfront.org/uk-is-preparing-evaucation-of-intelligence-personnel-from-syrias-idlib/ DJ-Is the US/CIA already transporting Uyghur-IS fighters from Idlib-Syria to Afghanistan to attack China (and Iran, Russia)?

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/10/u-s-pork-industry-prepares-to-face-pig-ebola-emergency/

DJ-Since in a war all means that can bring victory will be used, what role was there for bio-weapons ?

When Trump wants to be re-elected he can not start an OPEN major war. The "democrats" in the US would welcome such a major conflict to get rid of Trump.

From the Moon of Alabama-article;
Assad also expressed a realistic view of the U.S. government system:

Question 13: Concerning the American behavior here, particularly in relation to Syrian oil, don’t you believe that this behavior is that of a government gang? And what are the losses to Syria as a result of Washington’s behavior?
President Assad: You are absolutely correct, not only because they are looting oil, but because America is structured as a political system of gangs. The American president does not represent a state – he is the company CEO, and behind this CEO there is a board of directors which represent the big companies in America – the real owners of the state – oil and arms companies, banks, and other lobbies. So, in reference to Syrian oil, this is the expected result of the American regime, which is led by companies acting for their own interests.

Assad goes on to explain that to steal-the-oil was also the Nazi's reason to invade the Soviet Union. He further observes:

[W]e can very simply liken American policy today with Nazi policy: expansion, invasion, undermining the interests of other nations, trampling on international law, international conventions, human principles, and others – all for the sake of oil. What’s the difference between this policy and Nazi policy? Can anybody from the American regime give us an answer to this question? I don’t think so.

DJ-We are further moving into a very dangerous zone.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/snyder-total-breakdown-relations-china-could-throw-our-planet-utter-turmoil DJ-With the US supporting Hong Kong rioters (and Uyghurs, trade war, anti-Iran politics etc) the US is further pushing for war with Russia-Iran-China.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/there-has-been-an-incident-in-the-south-china-sea DJ-No further info/confirmation. Most likely "something did happen".

https://southfront.org/hybrid-war-on-iran-increases-chances-of-retaliatory-strike-on-israel/ and https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-november-21-2019-israel-conducts-wide-scale-strikes-on-syria/ DJ-Israel (or should it be ISrael-since this country has been working with jihadi extremists for years) could start a war with Iran-pulling the US with them.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-impeding-peace-talks-between-syrian-kurds-and-govt-lavrov/ DJ-The Kurds (just like the EU) always divided may be their own biggest enemy.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-wont-get-involved-in-israel-iran-conflict/ but also https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-almost-attacked-a-us-b-52-bomber-in-western-syria-media/
DJ-Russia "is not happy" with Israeli attacks on Syrian targets. Russia will not tolerate Israeli attacks that could endanger Russians in Syria.

https://www.debka.com/ag-mendelblit-decides-to-indict-pm-netanyahu-on-charges-of-bribery-fraud-and-breach-of-trust/ DJ-Political instability in Israel is a further danger to global stability.

https://southfront.org/evo-morales-says-he-survived-assassination-attempt-during-right-wing-coup-in-bolivia/
DJ-All over the globe instability is increasing. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/inf-collapse-triggered-china-pressure-japan-skorea-against-us-missile-deployment, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-south-korea-talks-abruptly-halted-over-trumps-47bn-price-tag-troops
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DJ-The US keeps transporting IS-terrorists from Syria to the southern Russia, China border in (a.o.) Afghanistan. https://southfront.org/russia-and-china-to-increase-cooperation-against-terrorism-in-central-asia/

https://southfront.org/european-deep-pockets-are-preparing-for-new-big-war/ DJ-The US$ may no longer be a global currency. Countries are preparing for a transition.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zuesse-why-second-american-revolution-necessary-entire-world,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/global-guide-us-backed-uprisings,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-road-toward-greater-eurasia

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-tells-nato-russia-must-come-cold-war;
Standing next to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg Macron put a further down payment that he is looking to replace German Chancellor Angela Merkel as the person setting the tone for European Foreign Policy.

“NATO is a collective defense organization, but against what or against who? Who is our common enemy? We need to clarify that. And it is a very strategic question,” he told reporters at a press conference in Paris on Nov. 28.

“Sometimes I hear some saying that it is Russia or China, our enemy. Is it the purpose of the Atlantic Alliance to identify one or the other as our enemies? I don’t think so. Our joint enemy, clearly within the Alliance, is terrorism that’s struck our countries.”

Macron said that NATO needs “a common definition of terrorism, of who the terrorist groups are and how to act in coordination against them.” He said that “the absence of dialogue with Russia” did not make the European continent safer and that he wants to “clarify our relationship with Russia.”

“We want a lucid, robust, and demanding dialogue with Russia, with neither naivety nor complacency,” he said.
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Macron, with these remarks as a prologue of what he will argue for at the NATO Summit, is telling the world Europe is done paying the price for the U.S.’s Cold War with Russia.

He’s also letting everyone know that 2020 will see the end of the sanctions in exchange for ending the conflict in Ukraine and re-opening the floodgates of European investment into Russia.

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DJ-Iran is the main link for Russia to the Indian Ocean, China to the EU and Africa.

https://www.debka.com/trump-and-netanyahu-confirm-us-israel-military-coordination-against-threatened-iranian-attack/ DJ-translation-US and Israel are preparing for counterstrikes when they attack Iran. https://www.debka.com/mivzak/iran-guards-general-21-us-bases-in-our-sights-haifa-and-tel-aviv-too/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iranian-navy-to-arm-submarines-with-jask-cruise-missiles-report/

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/six-more-countries-join-european-sanctions-busting-group-for-iran/, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-unloads-very-nasty-macron-insists-france-not-doing-well-economically-all,
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-torpedoes-global-markets-trade-war-returns, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/uks-jeremy-corbyn-wished-nato-never-existed/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/opcw-manufactured-a-pretext-for-war-by-suppressing-its-own-scientists-research.html,
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/opcw-manipulation-of-its-douma-report-shines-new-light-onto-the-skripal-novichok-case-.html

DJ-The NATO-top may bring a break-up-de facto-of NATO. Trump demanding the Europeans spend more on (of course US) weapons while putting sanctions on trade with them, the break with Turkey, disagreement on Iran, Russia, China is making Europe looking for alternatives.

There is already a European navy initiative (under French direction) in the Persian Gulf (most likely to keep US and China Navy seperate in that area).

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/superpowers-battling-over-iraqs-giant-oil-field DJ-The EU has to look for its energy themselves-not depend on the US that only want to sell US-LNG, Arab states or Russia.

DJ-A US/Israel attack on Iran is meant to stop Russia and China. (Most likely there will be a false flag-excuse, a chemical attack on Israel/KSA ?) The main reason such an attack did not happen yet is that the result will be major war.
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DJ-Netanyahu is pulling the US in his war against Iran. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/proposed-us-israel-defense-treaty-gaining-steam-after-pompeo-netanyahu-meet. The US is attacking pro-Iran forces in the Middle East after any anti-US backed group action. https://www.debka.com/us-ends-non-response-for-iranian-attacks-iran-deploys-bavar-373-missiles-in-syria/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/12/saudi-arabia-retreats-from-the-troubles-its-clown-prince-caused.html Saudi Arabia is getting the point that continuation of the war with Yemen will bankrupt the KSA.
(Still the KSA is part of the US-Saudi-Israel USI coalition against Iran. DJ-Both Israel and KSA may change plans when Netanyahu and Mohammed-bin-Sultan (MbS) loose influence. So those who want war with Iran may push a bit harder. https://theduran.com/target-iran/)

DJ-The "old elite" in the US want to get rid of Trump-even when that would bring the world close to major conflict.

https://theduran.com/sociopaths-on-the-left-and-sociopaths-on-the-right-work-to-break-potential-us-china-alliance/

https://www.rt.com/news/475036-hongkong-ukraine-neo-nazis/, https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201912/05/WS5de8ef1fa310cf3e3557c3f0.html China linking these neo-nazi's with CIA backed groups.

DJ IS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant seems to be gaining ground in North Africa. https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/north-africa/178-how-islamic-state-rose-fell-and-could-rise-again-maghreb

DJ-Islamic State, just like alqueaid, has strong links with both the CIA and Arab Gulf States. They operate mainly in/near oil/gas-facilities.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211467X19300288
The strategy of IS is deny others access to oil/gas in an area, take over the oil/gas and sell it to "who wants to buy it". Since the price is low in the past IS did sell oil to Turkey, Israel, most West European countries (even when IS terrorists are active there.) In Syria the US is "protecting" oil/gas fields with the help of Kurdish fighters in Arab-area (so that only will work while working with IS the US is claiming to fight.)

The US did airlift many times IS terrorists from Syria, Iraq to Afghanistan, Libya. Both US and Israeli airstrikes seem to be coordinated with IS/AQ groups. Israel did provide medic care to jihadi's.

De facto IS is an US-Saudi-Israel proxy army used against Russia-Iran-China.

https://theduran.com/70th-nato-anniversary-shows-alliance-is-more-divided-then-ever/, https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/greece-and-turkey-moving-closer-to-armed-conflict

DJ-NATO is "divided" and not working any longer as a US weapons-sale organization. Europe is moving towards EurAsia integration. The US will not accept that.

And then there is North Korea; https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13716&start=10, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93North_Korea_relations
DJ-Russia and China will not accept any US attack on Iran or North Korea. Russia and China are working together on all kinds of plans for reunification of Korea, EurAsia-integration including Iran, Syria, Turkey.

My impression is that the US still does not get how farreaching Russia-China cooperation goes. For both countries Iran is a main link-Iran is willing to work with both Russia and China. The more US pressure the more Iran moves towards Russia and China. (DJ-Is the US foreign policy that stupid ? Even Europe is moving away from the US-how can the US even think "they rule the world"???)
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https://www.rt.com/news/475350-israel-vietnam-strike-iran/, https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/israeli-foreign-minister-israel-will-bomb-iran-to-prevent-nuclear-weapons

DJ-Israel has been attacking (pro)Iran targets in Syria and Iraq for years. Problem is that the US is now following on that road. Iran is working on its own airdefense in Syria/Iraq.

Russia/Putin does not want to be party in a conflict between Israel and Iran, is working on de-escalation. (To get Syria, Iraq in the Russian, China camp).

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/greek-fighter-jet-locks-on-to-turkish-frigate-with-fire-control-radar-hostilities-now-thought-imminent

DJ-A war between Turkey and Greece-both NATO-partners could destroy NATO. More likely it could be used to punish Turkey, kick Turkey out of NATO-still that would do a lot of damage.

The Greek-Turkish conflict is very old. More recent is the conflict for oil/gas drills near Cyprus-now further escalating with Libya giving Turkey drilling rights in waters that Greece considers Greek.

DJ-Turkey has its own agenda in the region. Frustration over being left out of the EU has pushed Turkey in the arms of Iran, Russia, China. Still if "Turk-stream" bringing Russian oil/gas to the EU via Turkey has to function Turkey has to keep "a working relationship" with the EU (Bulgaria, Romania).

https://www.rt.com/news/475362-normandy-four-media-conference/,
https://www.rt.com/news/475441-lavrov-pompeo-washington-meeting/

DJ-Europe blames the US for the refugee-crises, wars in the Middle East, Ukraine. Especialy France is trying to get an European alternative. The Ukraine is bankrupt, both Northstream 1+2, Turkstream make Ukraine less an energy-transport route between Russia and the EU. Ukraine has no realistic alternatives than find agreement with Russia. (The EU did not forget the "F..k the EU of the Obama-US-administration).

France had/has special forces in North Syria that started working with Russian forces after the US pull-out. France is also behind the idea of an EU navy-force in the Persian Gulf (to keep US and China navy doing the same thing "protecting shipping" seperate. The EU and China (Turkey, India, Japan) keep buying oil from Iran-the US want to stop that.)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/n-korea-blasts-trump-s-warning-says-it-has-nothing-more-to-lose

DJ-The US is using Hong Kong as a demonstration of Chinese dictatorship. The goal is to block reunification talks in Korea, with Taiwan and (mainland) China etc.

Instead of moving out of the Middle East the US is sinking more and more in several swamps. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-defenses-allegedly-down-us-military-drone-in-libya/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/intelligence-reports-indicate-potential-iranian-attack-on-us-forces-in-middle-east-cnn/ (DJ-Most of the people in the effected regions do not welcome any longer US military. The US is bringing war and chaos. Blaming Iran for every anti-US action is only making things worse for the US.)

DJ-The inability to understand, by the US, that the US by its foreign policy is ending its own "super power status" is both tragic and dangerous.
Attacking Iran or North Korea is not like the Iraq war-Russia, Iran, China, and now North Korea more and more are becoming one block.

The EU was willing to stay partners with the US. After a Brexit maybe the UK will do so. The rest of the EU has decided to "find their own way".
(Here in the news; Tata-steel is firing 1500 workers in the Netherlands-also due to US sanctions on (EU)steel. That (Dutch-Tata) steel is needed in US car manufactoring. US sanctions are damaging the US.)
https://www.e-go-mobile.com/en/
Already working with 5G in the production proces
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