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worriedinMD
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This is in IOWA - I know it is not flu per se, but hasn't there been something suspect going on there for a while? I am afraid this is the type of news report we will start to see all the time if/when this hits. This is the type of event that could easily spark a serious spread of H5N1.AND they say 30 people are sick - yet they had to set up a recreation center site to keep the hospitals from being "overwhelmed"! Overwhelmed with only 30 people!?! Wow. ________________________________________________________ Mystery Illness Hits Special OlympicsBy JAMES BELTRAN, Associated Press Writer
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Fri Jul 7, 10:23 PM DES MOINES, Iowa - At least 30 people were treated for vomiting and diarrhea as the Special Olympics national games ended Friday, and health officials warned authorities in other states that the illness could spread as people return home. An estimated 30,000 people attended the six-day event in Ames. "Some people have already left," said Mary Mincer Hansen, director for the Iowa Department of Public Health. She said state health officials have contacted other health departments across the country and are still unsure why coaches, fans and athletes are feeling sick. At least 10 have been hospitalized, and the health department has set up an area for others at an Iowa State University recreation center. Hansen said it was a precaution to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed. The health department questioned those affected and called in food inspectors to investigate possible causes. Tests have been taken and results are expected Saturday, Hansen said. The first sicknesses occurred Friday morning but the health department was not informed until after noon, she said. "With that large a crowd, people thought there would be some people getting sick," Hansen said. But when more athletes, coaches and fans kept getting the same symptoms, health officials took action, she said. Special Olympics officials would not comment Friday night. |
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My first guess would be some type of food-poisening. The bigger concern is the issues with the hospital. You called it. 30 would overwhelm the hospital??? Oh, boy, trouble in River City!
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MelodyAtHome
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WorriedinMD. I think this is a bug going around. My son had this with high fever. I just had it, my mom, my husband, lots of other people around here in Ohio.
It seems to come and go for weeks too the last time this happened to us a few years ago. It is really awful.
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A lot of odd things have been happening in Iowa. We will gradually learn the truth.
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Hmm, it seems unlikely to me that it would be food borne, what are the odds the fans and the athletes ate the same food? I guess it's possible, but... I doubt it's H5 at least based upon the report, probably just another stomach virus going around.
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Bird Flu May Infect People Through the Gut, Virologist Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aj8QqyqWQokM&refer=top_world_news May 9 (Bloomberg) -- Bird flu may be capable of invading people through the gut, not just the respiratory system, and diarrhea is sometimes the first symptom, said virologist Menno de Jong, whose team observed 18 cases in Vietnam. Particles of the lethal H5N1 virus contained in the meat and blood of infected poultry may have been ingested by some patients, possibly causing their infection, said De Jong, who is head of the virology department at the Oxford University Clinical Research Unit in Ho Chi Minh City. ``In a number of patients the only exposure risk has been drinking raw duck blood,'' De Jong said in a phone interview yesterday. ``That could imply that the gastrointestinal tract is also a route of transmission or a route of first infection, and there are experiments in animals'' that suggest this. Scientists are studying H5N1 patients to improve their understanding and treatment of the virus, which has the potential to mutate into a pandemic form that may kill millions of people. If live virus particles are carried outside the lungs and surrounding tissues to other parts of the body, some antiviral treatments such as inhaled zanamivir, marketed by GlaxoSmithKline Plc as Relenza, may not be effective treatments, De Jong said. The infection rate in humans is increasing after more than 30 countries across three continents reported initial outbreaks in birds this year. H5N1 has killed at least 115 of the 207 people known to have been infected since late 2003, according to the World Health Organization..... |
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pugmom
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again, a likely pathogen is Norovirus.
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Have they typed the virus/bacteria responsible yet? |
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My office is in Iowa and I had several several several cancellations due to illness in the past two weeks. The ones who have recovered described the symptoms listed above along with wanting to sleep excessively. |
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IN BRIEF / IOWA
Illness Could Spread From Special OlympicsFrom Times Wire Reports
July 8, 2006 Dozens of people were treated for vomiting and diarrhea as the Special Olympics USA National Games ended, and health officials warned authorities in other states that the illness could spread as people returned home. An estimated 30,000 people attended the event in Ames.
Mary Mincer Hansen, director for the Iowa Department of Public Health, said state health officials had contacted other health departments across the country and were still unsure why coaches, fans and athletes were feeling sick. _________________________________________________________
Ames, Iowa is 30 minutes north of Des Moines. Note that this is where the lab is where all national testing is to be done for H5N1.
"Ames is a hot spot for avian influenza training and testing, and home to the NVSL, the laboratory that serves as the final confirmatory laboratory that will determine whether highly pathogenic bird flu virus has arrived in the United States." Don't think this is bird flu .... but it gives me a creepy feeling.
(I should have never watch the movie "The Stand")
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http://www.idph.state.ia.us/common/press_releases/2006/norovirus_070806.aspIDPH Press Release -- 7/8/2006Initial Ames Outbreak Samples Test Positive for NorovirusThe state public health laboratory confirms initial samples obtained in Ames from ill individuals have tested positive for norovirus. Norovirus is a common cause of viral gastroenteritis ("stomach flu") and outbreaks are normally associated with food and water. HOMEWARD, Story County's public health department, and the Iowa Department of Public Health (IDPH) continue to investigate this outbreak. At this time, the outbreak source has not been identified. It will be difficult to know how many people were sick as some did not likely seek medical care. People with norovirus infection may feel very sick for several days and the illness is seldom serious. Symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and cramps may appear 12-48 hours after exposure. Individuals can pass the virus to others while sick and up to 48 hours after diarrhea has stopped. "Norovirus can be spread from person to person, especially among family members, that's why it's important for those experiencing symptoms to contact their health care provider," said IDPH Director Mary Mincer Hansen. "The main risk is dehydration so it's important to drink plenty of fluids." Health officials advise anyone with nausea or diarrhea to:
To help prevent the spread of these viruses anyone who is ill with diarrhea, vomiting or fever should not work with food, the elderly, in healthcare or child care. Food recently prepared by this person should be discarded. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It will be worth tracking this to see how widespread the virus becomes since many of the 30,000 attendees could have been exposed to the same source of the virus. And now they can pass it on to others at home.
An excellent "epidemic" simulation could very well occur with this. Thank God it's not deadly.
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Samoa
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``In a number of patients the only exposure risk has been drinking raw duck blood,'' Well, that's it, no more Raw Duck Blood for ME! |
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Have been following this very closely since for an entire year, a group of more than two dozen family members, have kept being "reinfected" and having these symptoms, especially children. Nothing has been done to effectively investigate this by local health authorities or local hospitals.
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Samoa -
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The HMO's do not test as it is costly to do so. I realized that last year when the local (Southern California) HMOs were not testing the Filipino community when a virus was being passed from person to person. It had started in the Philippines a few weeks before and obviously spread to the US community. Every Filipino that I talked to who had become sick confirmed that no tests were conducted on him or his sick wife or their sick children. The HMO's just assume that it is the normal flu. Considering that the Philippines are just a bird flight away from Indonesia, that "no testing: attitude is a very bad policy! |
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Samoa,
You are hilarious!!! I wonder if there is a support group for giving up Raw Duck Blood??
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DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Samples from people who became ill during the Special Olympics USA National Games this week have tested positive for a virus that causes stomach flu, the Iowa Department of Public Health said Saturday. Some people were quarantined. At least 30 people were treated Friday for vomiting, nausea and diarrhea. The health agency said norovirus is a common cause of viral gastroenteritis, also known as stomach flu, and outbreaks are normally associated with food and water. The Special Olympics held its closing ceremonies Friday night, and officials were concerned that people heading home this weekend would carry the sickness with them. More than 30,000 people from across the country attended the six-day event at Ames in central Iowa. At least 10 people had been hospitalized, and others are being held in a recreation centre at Iowa State University as a precaution, said Mary Mincer Hansen, director for the Iowa Department of Public Health. "We don't want the hospitals to be overwhelmed," she said. A sign outside the recreation centre on Friday said the building was closed for "medical quarantine." Health officials would not comment on how long the quarantine would last or how many people were being held in the building. Hansen said health departments in other states had been advised about the infection. "Norovirus can be spread from person to person, especially among family members," she said. Special Olympics officials would not comment. Norovirus is family of common viruses that have sickened many cruise ship passengers and were blamed for sickening about 100 people on Colorado River tour boat trips through the Grand Canyon last summer. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Olympics/News/2006/07/08/1675033-ap.html |
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Every time I've heard about a norovirus, it's been on a ship or boat. Is there something about water that helps this virus? Has anyone here ever heard of people being quarantined for diarrhea and vomiting? Stomach virus's go around all the time, I've NEVER heard of anyone being quarantined for something like that. I think there must be more to this story. Has anyone else ever heard of people being quarantined for something like what this is purported to be? |
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decon or pin pointing the virus location would be my first guess
pratice run would be my second guess
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From the Des Moines Register - further details in this article. Dozens fall ill at Special Olympics Outbreak of nausea and vomiting puzzles health officials TONY LEYS, REID FORGRAVE and LISA ROSSI REGISTER STAFF WRITERS July 8, 2006 Ames, Ia. — Public health officials scrambled Friday to figure out what sickened dozens of athletes, coaches and spectators at the Special Olympics games in Ames. Patients came down with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. About 10 were hospitalized. The first cases cropped up Tuesday, but the problem accelerated Friday, said Nicole Peckumn, an Iowa Department of Public Health spokeswoman. Peckumn declined to speculate on whether food poisoning might have been the cause. "It could potentially be multiple other things," she said. The health department hoped test results would point to a suspect by this morning. Complete article at following link. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060708/NEWS/607080363&SearchID=73250173372852 |
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I had quite a few questions about statements made in this article. Follow up article to preceding.
Health evaluation follows illnes Two at Special Olympics test positive for norovirus LISA ROSSI REGISTER AMES BUREAU July 9, 2006 Ames, Ia — Two samples from people associated with the Special Olympics games in Ames last week tested positive for norovirus, a common cause of what is known as the stomach flu, state health officials announced Saturday. Officials have yet to determine the origin of the outbreak. Overall, 52 people were treated either at field centers on ISU's campus or at Mary Greeley Medical Center for flu-like symptoms that resemble the virus. Officials with the medical center said they did not know how many of those had norovirus. "We believe many more people were sick, but the fact was that many didn't seek medical care," said Nicole Peckumn, a spokeswoman with the Iowa Department of Public Health. Special Olympics organizers said they will evaluate how future games will educate athletes about preventive health measures such as hand-washing. They will also discuss how to best serve food to athletes. On Saturday, as athletes and their coaches ate their final meals at ISU, coaches urged athletes to coat their hands with the hand sanitizers that were placed all around the Union Drive Community Center on campus. Complete article at following link. Note the picture and side bar info on "health hints". http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060709/LIFE02/607090354&SearchID=73250174365019 |
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Gimme
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But a meal is just not a meal without your Raw Duck Blood, maybe you can boil it.
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Gimme
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Medclinician - I heard this same thing on Fox nexs last week from the
Dr. they have answering questions for the viewers. He mentioned that there is a test the Drs. can give the children to verify that it is flu but
the Drs. and/or parents fail to have the test.. 4 out of 5 kids don't have the test, he said.
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Once again, I speak to doctors in Vietnam, since I have a friend who goes there almost every month and even married a Vietnamese woman. I may have posted a "personal" note from the doctor taking care of an Avian patient as well as other doctors who have verified this in rectal swabs and that it has spread in humans from the lungs to the intestine and other organs. The next step which has occured is patients presenting with almost no lung symptoms, sometimes the lungs are even clear, and intestinal loose stools and emesis (vomiting) and nausea. There was a comment made on another thread about a group of birds an expert just "looked at" and thought were fine. Birds carry Avian in the intestine. Despite the fact that it has been alleged it cannot be acquired by eating contaminated fowl, this most certain was the source of the cluster in Indonesia with the 87.5% mortality rate and somehow got past the stomach acid, which is supposed to kill the virus, and in this case did not. Then there was human to human to transmission and genetic alteration of the virus. This is a restatement, accurate I hope, of information I have been monitoring here and throughout the world since March. I have been involved in the medical community for many years, but was referred to this forum, and then began to track the virus as well as research the true history of its origin. Point for this posting is that our entire family has something. Four members, living in different locations have been hospitalized, including myself a year ago, and we don't live all in the same place. We have no contact with birds, but both my wife and myself cannot eat eggs anymore because they make us both ill. We continue to joke about the fact, it is pretty far fetched to think that perhaps Avian has mutated into a less virulent intestinal form and is spreading across the country while hospitals refuse to test people or birds so there will be no cases to report. I am not interested in conspiracies or coverups, or placing blame anywhere. I have personally met with health department officials, and of course other doctors and lab people than simply reading what is posted on line. We have hit a stone wall as far as testing goes. My wife is pregnant and even in the series of tests run for her, they did not, or would not test for some type of intestinal virus she is carrying. She stayed with me a year before last March in the isolation room, where they confirmed, I believe what was an H5 infection. I ran a high fever, had blood in the lungs, and almost died. She had it pretty bad and what is enigmatic is although my lungs are clear now, something persists and will not go away. One physician I handed a series of tests that should be run, a viral panel to rule out the most common viruses our family may have. For this, the doctor notified the hospital that he no longer wished to be my physician - without cause. The admin was shocked because this was a very rare occurence, but being a mediclincian, and originally schooled on the West Coast at for one, Stanford University, I remained professional but unable to, and still am, to get tests run for norovirus or E-Coli - the pathogenic strain. So after all these posts, and all this data, I have come to the humble opinion, we have more than 20 strains of Avians at a bare minimum. A virologist I spoke to indicated that in our geographical area, there may over a thousand strains of viruses, which coming from the West Coast I had no resistance to. A relative, who worked in a pre-school for two years finally quit, because in her words "she was constantly catching something every week." When she quit, witihin a month her health returned. They called an begged her to return, but she refused, stating, it just was not worth to be ill all the time. In conclusion, for one, those of us who may be infected, certainly cannot see the value of being herded like cattle into some converted facility to die and possibly be re-infected with even worse strains. According to my primary and my wives primary we are neither carriers or sick, despite daily cramping, and intolerance of most foods. Several years ago we were healthy people. We had no health problems and for years did not even catch colds or flu during two flu seasons. Now, in my work, having relocated into the heart of a new area, and surrounded many times at the hospital or in ER by sick patients, with no masks until we determine they may possibly have pertussis, TB, or are showing symptom of "bleeding" pneumonia, little or no isolation techniques are taken. This is reminiscent of when I had AIDS patients and their HIV positive staff was hidden in the back of charts and they were placed in wards with 5 other patients. There was no isolation, no room for them to have as special room, and once upon reporting the situation, a weak effort was made with a few patients causing an uproar among the other famlies who had relatives in the same ward. Treating a viral patient, and epidemics of virus diseases (which probably cause the majority of human illness) has become a nemesis to hospitals. They will not test for them most of the time because the tests are expensive and people on Medicaid are often rushed through. One relative of mine had a gall bladder (done in response to this chronic intestinal problem). Bowels have been resectioned, stomachs removed and stapled, multi-operations performed on famility members, volumes of Zantac, Immodium, Metamucil, Motrin, and Aspirin have been perscribed. No tests have been to find the real cause. Perhaps our current medical system does not have any defense against a huge mutating mass of viral diseases. Perhaps due to budget considerations and massive escalating health costs and insurance companies people are being herded through like cattle. Conclusion : Let us consider that Avian has mutated and gone intestinal, at least in some cases. It certainly is spread in bird feces. If so, our safety net for identifying cases is non-existent. A lower virulent form could easily spread though Iowa, Ohio, and even have reached where we live and there would not be a single case filed. I know I am not alone in this. I have no doubt there are a million others being told religiously that "stomach flu" is a misnomer. We all know "flu" is pulmonary. I have researched history concerning such things. Do you know the Civil War and many great battles were lost not because of poor planning, but because of troops with waves of dysentery. What caused the jump? What would be the impact of a Pandemic of miserable chronic bowel problems on economy, the work force, etc? Would it be secretly more insidious than any 911 attack? Notice where supplies of Tamiflu are being shipped and at the same time results are not being reported from testing. One could change the topic to - How many sick in the U.S.? |
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Have them test for antibodies to H5N1 and H5N2. That is, if they have the capability.
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Just thought I'd post this here since it was mentioned earlier in this thread.
Ames lab prepares for avian flu testing
AMES (AP) -- The government’s elaborate network for diagnosing bird flu will eventually come down to a sprawling 640-acre campus in the Iowa countryside where strict security is the only hint of the crucial role scientists there could play.
“These are nice, bright, healthy birds,” says veterinarian Michelle Crocheck of four unsuspecting chickens. For now. If suspected cases of bird flu are found at other screening labs across the country, the future for Crocheck’s charges is grim. Known as the H5N1 strain of bird influenza, the virus spread from Asia, where it’s blamed for the slaughter of 200 million birds. The virus has killed at least 124 people. No one knows whether the virus will reach the United States or develop into a deadly strain that can be transmitted easily by humans. |
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First, thanks for posting this. I spoke to a lab in Georgia yesterday, and they are using an entirely different method for testing. I was also told that with CDC and WHO this method is used and that attempting to culture the virus is not the best method. The person was a top lab person who in a geneticist and works with analyzing anomalies in the gene and the "amplifying them" to determine a sequence which can identify viral strains. I agreed not to post the researchers name, although the lab data links I put up. My primary question is - how accurate are the results. Are the fowl testing positive? Are any testing positive? |
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Sounds like a plan Joe. I think we have exchanged post before on here and my concern is an attempt by Avian to become symbiotic in humans. It would be so difficult to mobilize the health establishment against something with a high tramsmission rate but low mortality rate. Still waiting on those thousands of Alaskan samples. |
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You will know you are dealing with total quackery in Alaska if the
government decides to tell us that they all came up negative for Avian
Flu.
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